Missing the point completely
If the majority of Muslims – the non-radical ones –
are not in favour of radical Islam, could some of them start speaking out and saying soWhat is the reason why they are not doing this ? https://t.co/hWKK6XZ06z
— John Cleese (@JohnCleese) May 22, 2026
The answer that no one wants to face is that what is generally understood as “radical Islam” is taught in the Qur’an and Sunnah, and “non-radical” Muslims know this, and so they also know that if they speak out against it they could be accused of heresy or apostasy. Rather than have to live their lives looking over their shoulders in fear of their “radical” brethren, they keep silent. Then there are the outright deceivers, who teach that Islam properly understood is peaceful. They know better, but are trying to foster complacency among non-Muslims. A complacent infidel is one who does not fight back.
Wellington says
Arguably the single most useless people on the planet are so-called moderate Muslims, who give cover to what Islam intends for all of humanity. Better, I would argue, that virtually all Muslims were “fully devoted” to their warped faith because then it would become clearer all the sooner how simply inimical Islam truly is to the human race—what I like to describe as the longest-lived malevolent ideology in the history of man, making Nazism and Marxism other totalitarian ideologies that could have, perhaps should have, learned from Mo’s warped creed, “merely” junior players in the scourge which all totalitarian ideologies are.
David Lakatos says
There’s no such thing as a moderate Muslim.
Wellington says
No, I respectfully disagree. As Ibn Warraq has stated, there are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.
Moderate Muslims do exist for different reasons, two examples being general ignorance about their faith, as is common with religious believers everywhere, and overall laxity about enforcing religious directives (also quite common in sundry religions).
And, as Robert Spencer himself has said, moderate Muslims are lazy Muslims. Please reconsider since the reality of moderate Muslims is a key reason why Islam continues to prosper in the West as it has.
mgoldbergd says
I would assess that they are not just the lazy, or those who care not for the rigors and ferocity of Islamic. Almost all the rest know not to be seen as naysayers of the religion, as the religious love to threaten less believing folks. This is why we never get to see the thousands who might have marched anywhere in the world to protest the oct 7th slaughters of Jews, non jews, israeli’s non israeli’s. One would think that with the braying and braggin about the slaughtering of Jews there, that the ‘moderates’ would have marched by the tens of thousands to call shame and apologize, but they didn’t. they couldn’t lest they too be killed. But there were tens of thousands who happily supported the massacres of Jews.
Angelo Barbato says
Absolutely 100% correct. Erdogan of Turkey couldn’t have explained it better. I quote : ” people speak of moderate or extreme Islam. There’s no extreme or moderate Islam. Islam is one. ” Reason why Islam should not be tolerated in any Western World civilisation.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Wellington.
David M says
True, moderate Muslims were born into it & do not know much about it. They are not following the teachings like the “radical” Muslims are, & it’s a good thing for the world they aren’t.
John Smith says
Moderate muslim’s do not want to kill us, they just want the radical muslim’s to kill us.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Or, if one wishes to be charitable, moderate muslims at best don’t mind “radical” muslims killing us
gravenimage says
Yep.
mems says
Great reply!!!
Winston 101 says
All of Islam practices Jihad. Jihad is the practice of doing whatever you can to advance Islam in the country you are in.
There are infinite types of Jihad.
If you practice the best, most favored Jihad, per the Quran, you practice Violent Jihad.
The West then describes you as a “Radical” Muslim.
You are not “Radical, you are the most favored Jihadi by Allah, as stated in the Quran
All the “Moderates” are practicing all the other forms of Jihad.
Each one practices a type of Jihad that they are suited to, such as:
Birthrate Jihad
Election Jihad
Education Jihad
Cultural Jihad
Language Jihad
Litigation Jihad
Lying about “not supporting “Radical” Islam” Jihad
Silence about “Radical Islamic Jihadis” Jihad
and on, and on. . .
“Radical” Islam is a Snake in the Grass
“Moderate” Islam is the Grass.”
They are all Islam, and they are all doing their part to promote the form of Government that is Islam.
Once Islam enters your country it’s Endless Jihad in all its infinite forms.
Bar the totalitarian form of Government, that is Islam, at the borders of your county.
Wellington says
Winston 101: Eminently correct what you stated and indicative of the many varieties of jihad, the violent one often thought of as the only kind of jihad and which assumption is a terrible mistake.
Daniel Triplett says
Truth.
“Mujahid” (s); “Mujahideen:” (pl) Those who wage Jihad.
ALL Muslims are Mujahideen.
Istanbul_Chick says
As Brigitte Gabriel famously and correctly stated “The peaceful majority are irrelevant!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlnMG4IsYyw&t=56s
Madeline Brooks says
She is wrong. The non-aggressive majority serve as a buffer to the violent, or subtly infiltrating ones. Whether or not they intend it, they are like a gift wrapping on a bomb. Their presence promotes confusion among us: Muslims are peaceful, right? We shouldn’t be Islamophobic, we are misled to believe. Islam is still a culture that does not like Jews or Israel, and that often does not understand our culture, its identity and its laws.
Istanbul_Chick says
She can’t win minds (especially those of the fence sitters) by directly attacking the myth of the peaceful mohammadan because in that moment the libs and fence sitters will accuse her of racism and “islamophobia.” That will come later. She factually and smartly instead illustrated, that in all cases, the alleged “peaceful majority” are always irrelevant.
She didn’t address the fact that garden variety mohammadans are not peaceful to prevent the usual suspects from derailing the conversation on false accusations of racism and phobia. Instead, she righteously deconstructed the hijabi jihadi’s claim that the “majority of” mohammadans “are peaceful” without giving the usual suspects an inch of wiggle room to make their usual tiresome claims.
Gabriel is a very staunch, courageous and smart defender of the West against mohammadans. She lived in the viper’s den as a Lebanese Christian who suffered at the hands of mohammadans. She KNOWS there are no truly peaceful mohammadans in the sense of how the West defines peaceful.
That fight and those arguments will come when people like Gabriel, Spencer, Hirsi Ali, Gellar, and Ibrahim (among many others), can argue the truth without being, at best, accused of the various isms, or at worst attacked (Mr. Spencer was poisoned in Iceland by a White, Western, liberal who was insanely defending his wrongly conceived and just plain wrongheaded defense of islam and mohammadans).
Winston 101 says
Istanbul Chick,
Agreed.
While the critique may correct on the specifics, I believe the error is a general one.
The goal is to be effective in defeating Islam – when you come face to face with it.
You need to formulate your argument to the audience you are trying to reach.
The goal is to defeat Islam, not to be purely correct.
Sometimes you use an exploding pager, other times you use a bunker buster bomb.
I’m glad, in our hearts, we are all together in this fight to defeat Islam.
Istanbul_Chick says
Winston, I could not agree more.
To win hearts and minds sometimes requires subtle nuance and other times a cudgel (or exploding pagers…That move by the IDF/Mossad was brilliant and comical).
When I first returned home to the US from on-the-surface moderate Turkey, I was hot and furious and screaming from the rooftops what a real and existential threat islam and its adherents are to the West. In a nutshell, I was just as hateful as mo’s mad minions.
In the years I’ve learned to temper my anger and trade my hatred for a cooler head and more nuanced and strategic arguments. I learned this from people like Robert Spencer, Brigitte Gabriel, Hirsi Ali, and Charlie Kirk.
Robert Spencer and others have taught me how to temper my righteous, but chaotic hatred of islam into rational arguments that can be digested by the most myopic and unaware liberals. Charlie Kirk taught me how to stop hating those very same liberals, and listen to them. He taught me that listening does not mean agreeing.
Brigette Gabriel absolutely understood the assignment and the argument. The best move was to not argue about the myth of peaceful mohammadans. Instead, she made the best move to argue that historically peaceful majorities are entirely impotent and irrelevent. A liberal audience will have a hard time arguing that historical truth forcing them to question exactly why the hijabi jihadi’s “majority of muslims are peaceful” argument is logical, or relevent. Hopefully, some of them followed through with those thought and started to question if that false argument is even true.
Finally, that is what debate is about; Making those you wish to persuade to think through the information you’ve provided, follow the evidence and discover the truth. Sometimes, accomplish that, one needs to refrain from hitting the audience over the head with a bunker buster, and instead subtly lit the proverbial fires under their seats with uncomfortable, but undeniable truths.
We’re not yet at the point where we need to use bunker busters and I hope we never do reach that point. However, if we do, I will not be the turn the other cheek type because I love my country, my family, and my faith too much to let bronze age throwbacks destroy any of it.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Madeline
“Gift wrapping on a bomb” is a beautiful way to describe moderate muslims 🎁💣
somehistory says
It’s so simple: if a person is raised as a muzzie and stays regular at the barracks, works to spread islam, and feels “insulted” while claiming always to be the victim when other muzzies attack and murder, he will not ‘speak out” about what is wrong about islam.
muzzies don’t see anything wrong with what the terrorists do; they don’t see anything wrong with what ilhan elmi, alias omar, ratshida tlaib, the dam ani and others are doing. They cheer and applaud, encourage and fund those things.
A cook or chef following a recipe may read, “bring sauce to a moderate boil.” And he knows there will be hot bubbles rising to the top.
ploome says
regarding:
“A complacent infidel is one who does not fight back.”
try and post the truth about islam on most blogs or news sites, e.g. NYPost…
your comments will not be published and eventually you will be blocked e.g. Breitbart, Daiiy Mail
Wellington says
I expect blockage when stating the truth about Islam at sites like Yahoo and other Leftist sites, but when cancellation of one’s comments about Islam is blocked at a traditional conservative site such as the one you mentioned, i.e., the NY Post, it stands as a sobering reminder of just how uphill the task remains to educate, to elucidate, what Islam intends for America and all the West.
I’ll give Islam this: it’s the most clever damn horrible ideology which has posed as a benevolent ideology in the entire history of the human race. Here I give it an “A.”
Islam is bad says
Thats why there should be a call to ban Islam.
There are some who don’t agree with banning any other belief, or banning Islam specifically. Such opponents to banning often posit an alternative; such as drawing attention to the malevolence of Islam.
The problem with that approach is that it hasn’t worked. Twenty-five years after the 911 attacks, and despite numerous attacks in Paris, London, Mumbai, Madrid, Sydney, Nice and elsewhere, waged by numerous Jihadi organisations or individuals, media organisations like the NY Post or Daily Mail refuse to acknowledge the malevolence of Islam.
That is why a call to ban Islam cuts through the complacency of those who don’t want to face the reality of Islam.
A call to ban Islam invites the response “Why do you want to ban Islam?”, to which the full malevolence of Islam can be elucidated.
A saying often attributed to Albert Einstein is, “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results”. Just hoping that the malevolence of Islam is understood is not working and hasn’t worked for decades.
That’s why a call to ban Islam is required – to change the debate. To force defenders of Islam or apologists for Islam to justify their evil ideology.
Ban Islam.
Madeline Brooks says
Agreed. Muslims who publicly renounce Islam and demonstrate understanding of our culture and loyalty to it could be considered as possible exceptions.
Istanbul_Chick says
No, they shouldn’t.
We’ve seen too many cases of mohammadans who claimed to have denounced islam as a ruse to deceive the guileable.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Wellington
There are quite a few people to blame for this, starting w/ President Bush, when he repeatedly kept describing islam as good, and other dunces like Dinesh D’Souza, who blamed Hollywood’s portrayal of America for 9/11 (back in the day when he had a major rift w/ Robert here on that issue)
The biggest problem are people who think that the Left are such extreme enemies that we need to ally w/ jihadists while confronting them
Wellington says
Well, Infidel, you are eminently correct when averring that there are many people to blame out there. Oh yeah, approaching a countless number at times.
But I’m not necessarily in agreement with you that the biggest problem are people on the Right who want to make some kind of alliance with Islam. Yes, such are a problem indeed but I would contend that the single biggest problem in the non-Islamic sphere of mankind in the West remains the Left in all its full ignorance.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Welliington
One quick example of what I had in mind was the Patrick Bet-Davids of the world, who want an alliance b/w Christians and muslims against LGBTQ+. As I pointed out yesterday, such an alliance would just show those on the Right willing to do it as hypocrites
Yeah, the Left is terrible, but no better or worse than jihadis. Choosing b/w those 2 is like choosing b/w 🐕💩 or 🐈💩 on which one stinks less
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Ploome
Breitbart is usually pretty good about allowing “islamophobic” comments, although it outsources its comments management to Disqus. I’m not sure what sort of moderation Disqus does, although they do delay any comments that have the word “Jew” or “Jews” in it, and only let it through hours later after moderators have passed it. By which time, most early commenters have lost interest
I do agree that most mainstream right-of-center publications, like NYP or Daily Mail are guilty of what you suggest
DAVE says
There is no such thing as ‘radical islam’. Islam is islam.
Those that we call ‘radical’ are nothing more than just being devout in how they practice islam.
Westman says
The radical Muslim wants to conquer, enslave, rob, or kill you.
The observant Muslim wants the radical Muslim to do the messy stuff.
The Muslim born into Islam, with no real desire for it, plays the part to avoid violence, parties, and gets drunk when he can.
The Muslima’s attitude doesn’t matter unless she is abandoning Islam.
roger says
“The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets, and the faithful our soldiers…….. there is no moderate or immoderate Islam; Islam is one”…..Recep Erdogan
Nabil Bissada says
John Cleese asks why ‘non-radical’ Muslims are not speaking out against ‘radical Islam’
Non-Radical or Moderate Muslims believe on the same Koran and the sharia law who believes the radical Muslims.
Radical Muslims are ready to kill infidel.
Non- Radical or Moderate Muslims support the Radical Muslims who are ready to murder infidel.
If only 10% of the Muslims believe who is written in the Koran and the sharia law.
Means between the 1200 million Muslims we have 120 million Radical or terrorists Muslims are ready to murder the infidel, to Islamize and conquer the western countries to spread the sharia law.
somehistory says
An example of “moderate” muzzies….helping fund hamas….the terror (immoderate*) muzzies. Watch out for those “safety patrols.”
“Dem city gave Muslim group $35k and didn’t track how it was spent”
“The city government of Atlanta, Georgia, reportedly gave a $35,000 donation to the Inner-City Muslim Action Network, which it then failed to track.
This was in addition to $250,000 in federal grants, according to The Center Square.
The outlet released a report on Monday detailing its continuing investigation into the issue.
“The donation came from taxpayer funds and was among four payments made to the Chicago-based Inner-City Muslim Action Network and three other nonprofits in 2023,” the article read.
“The City Council voted to approve its resolution saying the money was to ‘support public safety patrols and other public safety initiatives’ by aiding community organizations that hire off-duty police officers, organize neighborhood watches, and take other steps to protect residents and businesses.”
The $250,000 given to the Inner-City Muslim Action Network, also known as IMAN, from Atlanta was in the form of FEMA grants meant to help “unhoused immigrants.”
The payments were questioned by The Center Square, given accusations that the IMAN was aiding Hamas.
Each nonprofit signed a contract requiring them to submit detailed annual reports on how they spent the money, a combined $205,000,” the story explained.
“The Buckhead Public Safety Foundation ($100,000), the MLK-Ashby Merchants Association ($35,000), and the Cascade Business Association ($35,000) received the remainder.”
The report went on to state that the Georgia Constitution prohibits local governments from giving away assets without receiving something of value.
“The job of enforcing the contract should be the city executives’ who entered into the contract,” attorney Lester Tate told The Center Square. “But it appears that they’re just not doing their job.”
Tate is also a former president of the State Bar of Georgia and has litigated cases involving the Gratuities Clause.
The news comes as Vice President J.D. Vance continues to expand the scope of his nationwide investigation into fraudulent activities.
What began in Minnesota with fraudulent day care centers has spread to multiple states, including California.
“The federal government is deferring $1.3 billion in Medicaid reimbursements from the state of California. And the simple reason is because the state of California has not taken fraud very seriously,” Vance said earlier this month.
He added, “There are California taxpayers and American taxpayers who are being defrauded because California isn’t taking its program seriously.”
Vance also announced earlier this month that the Department of Justice is looking into Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota over potentially fraudulent behavior.
“I don’t want to prejudge an investigation,” he began. “I mean, you read the things about Ilhan Omar, about who she married, and whether she didn’t marry this person or that person… it certainly seems like something fishy is there.”
Vance was referring to accusations that Omar may have committed immigration fraud by marrying her brother. Omar has also been married three times.
He did, however, say that “everybody is entitled to equal justice under law.”
“So, we’re gonna investigate it,” the vice president declared. “We’re going to take a look at it. If we think that there’s a crime, we’re going to prosecute that crime.”
“And that’s something that the Department of Justice is looking at right now,” he concluded.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dem-city-gave-muslim-group-35k-and-didn-t-track-how-it-was-spent/ar-AA242k4u?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=6a14c7bef3e74739bd8a385f041ac9e3&ei=32
James Lincoln says
Simply stated:
A “radical” muslim is a misnomer.
They are a DEVOUT Muslim.
somehistory says
And, we could add the word “zealous,” James. Devoted and full of zeal, or enthusiasm.
James Lincoln says
Yes, absolutely somehistory.
gravenimage says
+1
rubiconcrest says
John Cleese’s point is what everyone needs to ask their government representative.
Simply put, Muslims who might like to do so won’t speak up because no one will defend them. If we want them to sound the alarm give them some protection and some power to do so.
Pray Hard says
Now, that’s funny.
rubiconcrest says
How do you think the USA’s new navy fleet defeated the Barbary pirates? There were plenty of allies in the region that hated them as well. The Spanish did the same in conquering the Aztecs.
Right now the Democrats/Rinos and Maga treat all Muslims the same or dispise them. The spokesmen in the Muslim community are all MB affiliated.
It makes sense to have allies in this struggle.
gravenimage says
The idea that ‘moderate’ Muslims desperately *want* to support us, but can’t because the filthy Infidels are not supporting them enough is pretty iffy, I’m afraid…
࿗Infidel࿘ says
I just hope that that question from John Cleese was rhetorical?
Mo says
“John Cleese asks why ‘non-radical’ Muslims are not speaking out against ‘radical Islam’”
I’ve been asking that since September 11, 2001
Pray Hard says
Then stop asking it. You already know why.
gravenimage says
John Cleese asks why ‘non-radical’ Muslims are not speaking out against ‘radical Islam’
………………………………………….
John Cleese is a smart and brave man. Why don’t more people ask this elemental question?
Pray Hard says
Cleese is clueless. Most of Western Civilization is clueless. It’s not an elemental question. It’s a question designed to keep you clueless.
gravenimage says
No, John Cleese is not trying to keep us clueless by asking an important question which others rarely ask.
ploome says
because if people were given an honest answer, they would have to do something about islam and muslim agenda
and they are not ready for that fight
Tim gallagher says
The only people I have the time of day for are those courageous people who leave Islam. Islam is evil and rotten to the core and I’m sure that even the moderate Muslims want stinking, barbaric Islam to be imposed all of the human race so all Muslims can go to hell. Any Muslims who remain members of the evil cult are enemies of civilised human behaviour. Muslims have to see how evil islam is and ditch the barbaric ideology. If that happened we could get rid of the disgusting ideology
Andrew Blackadder says
The moderate muslime will hold the feet of the infidel while the radical muslime cuts off his head.
Pray Hard says
Purge the words “moderate” and “radical” from your vocabulary. Until you do, you’re doing nothing but playing the islamoleftist game.
Everard says
There is no such thing as “lslamist or lslamism “. There is only lslam.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
It’s the stupidest word ever invented by Westerners to describe something they are not
Pray Hard says
Exactly!
Dr K says
Because there is no such thing as “Radical Islam”
There is only Islam
Calling it radical is simply denial
In the same way the various police forces call it “mental health issues” ( which , ironically Islam is ! )
All this denial.only makes it all worse for us !
Pray Hard says
Thank you. When I read comments like yours, I don’t feel like I’m barking in the wilderness.
Controse says
This insistence on the existence of something called ‘radical Islam’ is as mysterious as the phenomena of gravity itself. Maybe it is a manifestation of one of humanities basic instincts, cowardliness. Islam is an unmitigated pestilence on civilization. Face the truth. Read the Qur’an. Quit hiding behind ‘radical Islam’ mindset. Cowardliness will not save you.
Pray Hard says
Thank you. When I read comments like yours, I don’t feel like I’m barking in the wilderness.
OLD GUY says
Moderate Islam is a person who does not actively participate in terror attacks but support it financially and support it through their silence.
Pray Hard says
Purge the concept of “moderate islam/moslem” from your mind. You’re not doing anything but wasting time continuing to fool yourself and supporting leftist concepts.
OLD GUY says
There is no such thing as a moderate muslim who follows islam.
Michael says
“Free speech for me, but not for thee.”
– all Muslims, everywhere, all the time
Pray Hard says
Cleese and people like him missed the boat at least 30 years ago. He doesn’t have a clue and never has.
Pray Hard says
People, people, people, please cease with this brain twirling about radical and moderate. Those two words were designed by the islamoleftists to keep you confused. And why do they work? YOU WANT TO BE CONFUSED. You don’t want to face the truth about islam. You want to believe that there are radicals and extremists and moderates and good and bad moslems. You want to believe the islamoleftist narrative. Why? Because you’re afraid and you know that once your mind is cleared, you can never cloud it again with your delusions about the clear and present danger of islam. I reaslize that some of you get it, but I also see that many of you cling to your delusions about islam as a drowning person clings to a life preserver. I hope that my comments support those of you who get it AND insult and make angry those of you who refuse to catch on. Maybe you’ll get angry enough to break through. Until then …
gravenimage says
Pray Hard, the idea that anyone here not condemning John Cleese is clueless is just mistaken.
There is no miderate Islam–and many supposed moderate Muslims are anything but. Jihad Watch makes this point all the time.
tgusa says
Is it too much to ask for these people to do some research? There is not several versions of islam there is only islam. The so-called radical muslims want to kill you. The so-called non-radical muslims want the radicals to kill you. It is not that different than the military, some people join some people dont, and those people just want those that join to do the killing for them.
I am starting to get the impression that everyone who has risen to prominence in the West is, to varying degrees, an idiot.
bill says
Where does the figure of only 1% of mulism are radical come from? Given that muslims are notorious for deception why should we believe their responses to surveys to be honest. There are multiple reason for them to claimto be non radical as oulined above. What about honour killing is that not evidence of radicalism? The frequency of family members usually parents, killimg their chidlren for being too Western
or not willing to accept arranged marriages. Is that not radical? I would suggest that finding out who is truly non radical is practically impossible given the nature of Musliom society