If the muzzies did what they are trying to do, which is eliminate all Christians, and any other people who refuse to bow down to the illslimic beast, the various terror groups would then turn on each other for the top spot serving satan.
:satan keeps transforming himself into an angel of light” in order to deceive humans into serving him. The smooth tongues of some muzzies, are working along with this demon snake, the same as those raping and murdering are.
The “Churches” seem to be too busy helping the muzzies gain ground.
The one thing all Christians can do, is pray. Pray for “God’s Kingdom to come and His Will be done here. on earth as it is in heaven”
And pray for the persecuted Christians to remain strong in faith until then.
Thank you for an interesting conversation.
࿗Infidel࿘says
You’re pretty right. I once saw a cartoon titled “The last muslim”, and there, the last surviving muslim was fighting himself, one sword in hand, another caught b/w his toes
࿗Infidel࿘says
Good conversation
On the “Tiny minority of extremists” claim, the counter-demonstration should be “Tiny minority of moderates”. Namely, the people who have secretly apostatized, but are too scared to admit it in public. Otherwise, all muslims are either jihadists, or jihad sympathizers, and to the extent that they dislike jihad at all, it’s only b’cos of the bad reputation that islam, and thereby they, get as a result
On Cameron’s question of what would stop ISIS types from convincing a converted muslim population that their’s is the true islam, the best illustration of that is in Africa, w/ the Ahmadiyas. There have been some Ahmadiya missionary successes in sub-Saharan Africa, where some people did convert to that sect. Later, mainstream sunni dawagandists moved in, showed them that what the Ahmadiyas taught them was horsemanure, and managed to convert them. Also, it’s not necessary that only the peaceful ones iwll be successful in converting. In the last decade, the number of Western converts to islam who joined ISIS was them directly being converted by ISIS, and moving on to Turkey and then Syria
On the question of what can we in the West do about it, the answer right now is nothing. We have a bad economy, so spending money on military adventures abroad is not gonna sell. Heck, most people are against us being involved in the Middle East, where oil is a major reason involving our strategic interests, and many are opposed to our support for Israel. He expects this electorate to support interventions in Nigeria? Also, w/ the various churches involved in bringing muslims into the US, I daresay those churches wouldn’t have public support even if they wanted to bring in Nigerian Christians
I’m not sure that apologetics against islam is a big part of the answer. Note that this is an ideology that maintains its hold on people by fear of death: it was never explained to them, debated in front of them nor were they persuaded to follow it. Apologetic techniques would work if people, after a process of discussions and debates, came to certain conclusions, and others wanted to convince them otherwise. If they were not argued into islam, how does one argue them out of it? Only threats of dire consequences if they act on those acts of islam that are illegal in non-islamic laws can have any hopes of stopping them
On the question of being altruistic, I don’t think people in the West can be altruistic when they live in struggling economies. But on the question of dismissing Africa as a third world hellhole where people are always gonna kill each other, we’d do well to consider what happens if all, or even most, of Africa falls to the jihad. If one thought that the 90s Taliban was bad enough due to becoming a free base for jihadists, imagine tne entre continent from Cairo to Dakar to Capetown being run by a Boko Haram like entity. They’d have that entire population, all their resources to back up waves of jihad attacks on both Europe and America. Also, if they are in that mode, it’ll be harder for Arab countries like Saudi Arabia or Emirates to continue prioritizing the development of their own countries over jihad
Finally, Robert’s comment “I have never been happier to have had my books pirated, since it has brought him (the Iranian ex-muslim) out of islam” was priceless 😂
OLD GUYsays
If this were Christians attacking Islamic people the media would be blasting the Christians.
gravenimagesays
Robert Spencer on the jihad against Christians in Africa and the Catholic Church’s response
……………………………………………..
If only there *were* much of a Catholic response. I guess it is just that Muslims are mass murdering Christians–somehow–for *economic* reasons…
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Pray Hard says
What Catholic response?
DV says
Indeed, what Christian response in general?
somehistory says
If the muzzies did what they are trying to do, which is eliminate all Christians, and any other people who refuse to bow down to the illslimic beast, the various terror groups would then turn on each other for the top spot serving satan.
:satan keeps transforming himself into an angel of light” in order to deceive humans into serving him. The smooth tongues of some muzzies, are working along with this demon snake, the same as those raping and murdering are.
The “Churches” seem to be too busy helping the muzzies gain ground.
The one thing all Christians can do, is pray. Pray for “God’s Kingdom to come and His Will be done here. on earth as it is in heaven”
And pray for the persecuted Christians to remain strong in faith until then.
Thank you for an interesting conversation.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
You’re pretty right. I once saw a cartoon titled “The last muslim”, and there, the last surviving muslim was fighting himself, one sword in hand, another caught b/w his toes
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Good conversation
On the “Tiny minority of extremists” claim, the counter-demonstration should be “Tiny minority of moderates”. Namely, the people who have secretly apostatized, but are too scared to admit it in public. Otherwise, all muslims are either jihadists, or jihad sympathizers, and to the extent that they dislike jihad at all, it’s only b’cos of the bad reputation that islam, and thereby they, get as a result
On Cameron’s question of what would stop ISIS types from convincing a converted muslim population that their’s is the true islam, the best illustration of that is in Africa, w/ the Ahmadiyas. There have been some Ahmadiya missionary successes in sub-Saharan Africa, where some people did convert to that sect. Later, mainstream sunni dawagandists moved in, showed them that what the Ahmadiyas taught them was horsemanure, and managed to convert them. Also, it’s not necessary that only the peaceful ones iwll be successful in converting. In the last decade, the number of Western converts to islam who joined ISIS was them directly being converted by ISIS, and moving on to Turkey and then Syria
On the question of what can we in the West do about it, the answer right now is nothing. We have a bad economy, so spending money on military adventures abroad is not gonna sell. Heck, most people are against us being involved in the Middle East, where oil is a major reason involving our strategic interests, and many are opposed to our support for Israel. He expects this electorate to support interventions in Nigeria? Also, w/ the various churches involved in bringing muslims into the US, I daresay those churches wouldn’t have public support even if they wanted to bring in Nigerian Christians
I’m not sure that apologetics against islam is a big part of the answer. Note that this is an ideology that maintains its hold on people by fear of death: it was never explained to them, debated in front of them nor were they persuaded to follow it. Apologetic techniques would work if people, after a process of discussions and debates, came to certain conclusions, and others wanted to convince them otherwise. If they were not argued into islam, how does one argue them out of it? Only threats of dire consequences if they act on those acts of islam that are illegal in non-islamic laws can have any hopes of stopping them
On the question of being altruistic, I don’t think people in the West can be altruistic when they live in struggling economies. But on the question of dismissing Africa as a third world hellhole where people are always gonna kill each other, we’d do well to consider what happens if all, or even most, of Africa falls to the jihad. If one thought that the 90s Taliban was bad enough due to becoming a free base for jihadists, imagine tne entre continent from Cairo to Dakar to Capetown being run by a Boko Haram like entity. They’d have that entire population, all their resources to back up waves of jihad attacks on both Europe and America. Also, if they are in that mode, it’ll be harder for Arab countries like Saudi Arabia or Emirates to continue prioritizing the development of their own countries over jihad
Finally, Robert’s comment “I have never been happier to have had my books pirated, since it has brought him (the Iranian ex-muslim) out of islam” was priceless 😂
OLD GUY says
If this were Christians attacking Islamic people the media would be blasting the Christians.
gravenimage says
Robert Spencer on the jihad against Christians in Africa and the Catholic Church’s response
……………………………………………..
If only there *were* much of a Catholic response. I guess it is just that Muslims are mass murdering Christians–somehow–for *economic* reasons…