Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman, the despot who runs, and whose Al-Saud family owns, “Saudi” Arabia, is being received with great fanfare by Donald Trump, another despot who is always impressed with people who have tens of billions of dollars to their name. The CIA is certain that Muhammad bin Salman ordered the murder, and dismemberment, of the Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi seven years ago, but that was “in another country, and besides, the wretch is dead.” How many others have been quietly disposed of, inside Saudi Arabia, because they may have gotten on the wrong side of MBS, or of other members of the family, is not known.
Trump said, in advance of his meeting with MBS on November 18, that he planned to sell the fifth-generation F-35s — MBS wants 48 of them — to Saudi Arabia: “I will say that we will be doing that,” Trump told reporters in the Oval Office. “We’ll be selling the F-35s.”
Now Israel currently has 45 F-35s, with more on order. Providing Saudi Arabia with 48 F-35s certainly has the Israelis worried. By law, the American government is required to maintain Israel’s Qualitative Military Edge (QME). This sale certainly calls into question how well the Trump administration is assuring that QME.
Another puzzlement is why Trump chose to announce the sale before sitting down to negotiate with MBS. Wouldn’t it have made more sense to wait, and instead of submitting to MBS’s request in advance, to have held out the possible sale of F-35s in order to obtain from Muhammad bin Salman a firm commitment to joining the Abraham Accords, which everyone apparently thinks is of such importance (I don’t agree)?
What Trump might have done, instead of promising to sell the F-35s to Saudi Arabia, would have been to offer a different arrangement. Instead of advanced fighter jets, the Americans would provide Saudi Arabia with a security guarantee. The F-35 is an offensive weapon. But we don’t want Saudi Arabia to have such a weapon, because we know the most likely use to which it would be put is against the state of Israel. Those advanced planes might also be transferred by Saudi Arabia to other Arab states — Syria? Egypt? — for use against the Jewish state. Furthermore, there is alarm about Saudi Arabia’s ties to China — the Saudis recently conducted joint naval maneuvers with the Chinese for the third time — and whether China might gain access to the F-35s, and their technology, once they are in Saudi Arabia’s possession.
From the Saudis’ point of view, an American guarantee of its security should be much more desirable than providing Saudi Arabia with F-35s. And we should expect the Saudis to pay for that commitment. How? Not just with the $600 billion that Trump assures us MBS has already committed to investing in the U.S., but also by having the Saudis pay the American government directly more hundreds of billions of dollars for an ironclad promise to defend the Kingdom. It’s a security blanket, protecting the Saudis externally, from Iran and any of its proxies, like the Houthis, still standing, and internally, from such enemies of the Saudi monarchy as the Muslim Brotherhood.
Is this alternative still possible? Sure. Trump is able to turn on a dime. He does it all the time. Perhaps such senators s as Lindsey Graham and Tom Cotton can remind him of the need to guarantee Israel’s QME, and to express their alarm about China, which has held three joint naval maneuvers with the Saudis, the latest one in October, obtaining access to the Saudi F-35s and their advanced technology.
Trump can say that “the King and I — he’s a great leader, a fine man, a pleasure to deal with — have been discussing the best way to protect the Kingdom, and we came up with a better way than those F-35s that I mentioned the other day. I want to give the Saudis an ironclad commitment to their security, and that will be much more valuable than a squadron of fighter jets that will take a long time for Saudi pilots to use. That security insurance policy will be paid for by the Saudis, and so far we’ve not discussed the amount but I think something in the neighborhood of $300 billion a year is a fair price. We’ll be making a deal, the Crown Prince and I, probably by the end of the year.”
Sounds good to me. But it would, wouldn’t it?
somehistory says
How far can a pilot take one of those planes meant for war?
saudis flew aircraft into U.S. buildings from airports in the U S So could they fly them here from saudi arabia? To Israel, for sure. But how far?
Deus Vult says
They could not be flown to the US mainland. They would require multiple in-flight refuelings, and no one else has the ability to do that but us.
somehistory says
That’s what I thought, so thank you for confirming.
gravenimage says
I think Europe would be in more direct danger than the US mainland.
Sceptre says
You need to stop panicking. The 35 has a killswitch, and all the weapons and parts are controlled by the USA.
To think Saudi would use f35 and we’d send them bombs and parts to attack Israel and Europe is a fantasy.
It can only be a good thing by process of elimination.
gravenimage says
I am *not* panicking–I am noting that Europe is closer to Saudi Arabia than is the US. How is this incorrect? And no–the US would not send them weapons and parts to attack Israel and Europe–but the idea that these items can *only* be used for certain targets is mistaken. There are no special weapons that would be impossible to use against the US and her allies.
Then, there is no magic “kill switch”. Both the US government and Lockheed Martin have publicly stated that no such kill switch exists. Our real leverage is in maintenance–parts, updates, and the expertise to use them, which Muslim nations have always been especially weak on.
Sceptre says
All the Muslims will get every weapon in the arsenal essentially by the trump leaves office, including Turkey the real troublemaker that NOBDIY IS EVER LOOKING AT. They are causing chaos all over, and inciting.
That’s who to worry about, now they are able to march into Syria on the Golan and attack Israel. They just bought Eurofighters with f35s coming soon…
By the time Trump is out, Hezbollah will get nukes from America.
gravenimage says
Sceptre, certainly those at Jihad Watch are looking at Turkey, including citing its threats to Israel. Just glance back through the archives here.
But I see the threat from Turkey *no reason* to ignore the main supporters of 9/11–Saudi Arabia.
And while many in the US have proven to be clueless about the threat of Islam–including sadly, President Trump at times, I have not heard *anyone* advocating giving Hezbollah nuclear arms, Citations, please.
Sceptre says
Saudi Arabia had nothing to do with 9/11. Just because some citizens did it doesn’t mean the government is responsible, they have zero to gain, as we protect their pampered butts.
Trueky needs a coup immediately, and Israel should get to work right now to make it happen, and show some value to the west by making a coup happen, or weaken Turkey somehow.
I truly believe Turkey is a bigger threat than Iran, for us and Israel. Call me crazy, but I believe it and I read a lot.
gravenimage says
The claim that Saudi Arabia had nothing to do with 9/11 is mistaken at best:
“FBI Helped Cover Up Saudi Role in 9/11”
https://jihadwatch.org/2025/08/fbi-helped-cover-up-saudi-role-in-9-11
I’m not sure why you think that because Turkey and Iran are threats to us that Saudi Arabia ergo cannot be.
More here:
“Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Muslim Terrorist States Are Not Our Friends”
https://jihadwatch.org/2025/05/saudi-arabia-qatar-and-muslim-terrorist-states-are-not-our-friends
Really, a Jihad-sponsoring Shari’ah state with no freedoms is *not* our ally.
Sceptre says
That doesn’t mean Omar bayoumi was sanctioned by the Saudi gov to do anything, you don’t know what happened there.
Mossad already knew and even had rooms across the street from the hijackers in Florida , and told USA a month before an attack was coming.
Saudi Arabia gets zero benefit from a 911 attack. And the damage doesn’t even matter to them. Couple thousand citizens die doesn’t mean anything. Al qaeda a wanted to divide Saudi and USA from relationship. I would give bayoumi much higher odds of being a cia asset if they were the ones who lead the attack.
gravenimage says
I never mentioned Omar Bayoumi, nor is he the only possible link between Saudi Arabia and the 9/11 terrorists. And if a “CIA asset” helped the Jihad terrorists get apartments, then the CIA was being suicidally clueless at best.
And Mossad did warn the US of a possible threat–there was also increased terrorist “chatter”–this in no way implies that Mossad was behind 9/11, if that is what you are trying to imply.
And the claim that 9/11 was “couple thousand citizens die doesn’t mean anything” is not just grotesquely callous, but could not be more mistaken. 9/11 is the seminal Jihad terror attack of the modern age, and something that all Jihad terrorists since have aspired to.
Saudi Arabia is a brutal Shari’ah state and sponsor of terror besides 9/11. The idea that our most important goal should be considering a horrifying Islamic human rights abuser a close ally is very disturbing.
And the implication that Islamic states always react rationally by Western standards is of course just risible,
Then, I note that you have never once said *anything* critical of Jihad here. I doubt that this is accidental.
Sceptre says
I don’t believe Mossad did 9/11 but everyone I know that’s what they believe.
I don’t know what’s going on, but everyone is in a trance and blame everything on Israel, and the conservatives I know are doing this, and the liberal people mostly don’t believe this.
I would need much more proof, I definitely don’t write it off. But then again, what does that even mean. There are rouge cells in every nation and intelligence agency.
I just don’t see it. If they wanted us to take saddam out, butt then what… hand it over to even worse Iran? It don’t make sense. It is possible though.
gravenimage says
Wait–*everyone* you know pretends that Jihad terror attacks are actually done by Israel against their greatest ally? Is this the case with all Jihad terror attacks over the past 1400 years?
Then, the claim that conservatives are blaming Israel and leftists are not is basically the exact opposite of the case.
And then you say that you don’t write off this insanity–is Israel also murdering her own people and blaming it on Islam? Did Jews also wrote the Qur’an and Hadiths, and somehow get Muslims to believe that Islam teaches Jihad terror?
And no–the claim that all Jihad terror is committed by Jewish “rouge” cells makes no sense (nor rogue cells, either).
And I note that you *still* will not say anything critical of Jihad terror. As I noted above, this seems *very* telling.
Sceptre says
You’re ignoring my point. I wrote about Turkey but u will ignore it.
Youre bamboozeld , jihad is not the number one threat. Regular Islam is. Jihad can kill some random people, but regular Muslims can take over your election and change your life, with no violence .
Turkey Qatar are in this camp, you’ll sit there and focus on some people in a cave that may do something that won’t affect u, while these guys are manipulating entire countries with non-radical Muslims. Radical Islam is a lesser threat than regular . Prove me wrong.
gravenimage says
Of course I have talked about the threat of Turkey–both here and many other times.
As I noted, recognizing the threat of Turkey does *not* mean ignoring the threat of Saudi Arabia or any other Islamic polity, including Qatar, which I have also talked about many times. Why would it?
And I note that Sceptre is now ranting that I have been bamboozled
–infamously, the words of Malcolm X telling Americans to convert to Islam. This *could* be a coincidence–but I doubt it.
And Jihad is not separate from Islam–the point of Islam is to Islamize the entire world and impose brutal Shari’ah law–and the method for this is principally Jihad.
Stealth Jihad is also a threat–like electing Muslim politicians and selling arms to Muslim states.
And I see that Sceptre is once again sneering at the death of victims of Jihad.
And Jihad is not “radical Islam”. Try again.
Daniel Triplett says
The F-35’s combat radius varies by variant: the F-35A is about 590 nautical miles, the F-35C is 600 nautical miles, and the F-35B is around 450 nautical miles.
Combat radius for a Tactical Strike aircraft such as the F-35 or F-15E (vs F-15C, which is strictly Air Superiority) is defined as the maximum distance an aircraft can fly from its base, strike a ground target, and Return to Base (RTB) with enough fuel for reserves, accounting for factors like payload and flight profile.
This would not include Air Refueling, and would not include an Air-to-air engagement on the ingress or egress.
Tony says
Unfortunately, President Trump and our Leaders are compromised by Saudi Arabia’s money and investment despite the terrorism, discrimination, segregation, and violence that Islam and its Muslims fund, teach, and promote against America and all Non-Muslims as taught in Islam’s Quran(Quran 9:5, 29, 111, etc.). Sadly, President Trump and our Leaders appear more incompetent on the threat of Islam and its Muslims despite the Muslim terrorist attacks all over the world.
Allah’s Islam, a CRIMINAL-TERRORIST-GANG ENTERPRISE and a MURDEROUS-DEMONIC CULT OF BELIEVERS, Terrorist Muslim Soldiers for satanic Allah, continually fund, promote, and practice ideological subversion, propaganda, bigotry, discrimination, deceit, industrial-scale slavery, human trafficking, intimidation, supremacy, segregation, hatred, incitement to violence, criminality, genocide, victimhood, censorship, and terrorism as taught in Islamic Law, Sharia, and in Islam’s Qur’an(Qur’an 5:14,35; 8:60; 9:41, 88, etc.).
Deceitful Allah stirs hatred against Christians until the resurrection day when Qur’an 5:14 instructs, “And some of those who say, ‘Surely we are Nasara (Christians),’ we took their covenant. So they have forgotten a part of what they were reminded of, so we have stirred up ENMITY and HATRED among them until the resurrection day. And Allah will inform them of what they were doing.” See also Qur’an 60:4.
As taught by Allah, Muslims are supremacist terrorists for Allah with their MONEY and with their LIVES. Allah in Qur’an 49:15 states, “Surely the believers[Muslims] are only those who believed in Allah and his messenger. They do not doubt, and they performed jihad with their MONEY and their LIVES for the sake of Allah. Those are the truthful.” Allah in Qur’an 4:101 says, “…Surely the infidels(Non-Muslims) were your clear enemies.”
ALLAH’S MUSLIMS are a greater TERROR than diabolical Allah. Allah in Qur’an 59:13 says, “You[Muslims] are a greater terror in their chests than Allah. This is because they[Jews & Christians] are people who do not understand.” Islam must be banned as illegal, and we have the legal right to defend ourselves from Muslim violence. As a result, Non-Muslims are marked for death by Islam and its Muslims. Allah in Qur’an 9:29 commands, “Engage in war with those who do not believe in Allah nor in the last day. Nor forbid what Allah and his messenger forbid, nor believe in the religion of the truth among those who have given the book until they pay the jizyah out of hand and they are subdued.”
Again, Islam is a totalitarian and supremacist system of lies and deceit because Allah, the best deceiver, is the actual source of Muslim deceit. Allah in Qur’an 3:54 says, “And they deceived, and Allah deceived. And Allah is the best deceiver.” Allah in Qur’an 8:30 says, “…And Allah is the best deceiver.” Allah in Qur’an 13:42 says, “And indeed, those before them deceived, so to Allah all the deception…”
Daniel Triplett says
Great article Hugh. I agree with all.
And for the Saudi’s own security’s sake, they’d be much better off with the US for a guarantee of security via USAF Air Wings based in Saudi Arabia on Saudi owned / USAF operated air bases, with the latest fighter and support aircraft, including tankers, helos, transports, etc. That’s good for us, to assert our regional dominance and secure our interests, and good for the Saudis, because even with their own F-35 inventory, there’s no way they can provide their own security as we could provide it for them.
I’ve seen Saudi students while at USAF Undergraduate Pilot Training. They don’t select their pilots based on merit. They choose them based purely on nepotism and royal connections. They are usually all princes. Everyone wants to fly fighter jets, so consequently, only the best connected get to do so in Saudi Arabia.
So, obviously the quality suffers. They need a lot of extra training – extra training USAF students would NEVER get. When I went through, USAF students got two extra training sorties maximum total for the entire year-long program. Beyond that, you’re out. But the Saudis have near unlimited money, so they would spend as much as it took, and were passed on much lower and forgiving standards than the rest of us.
During the Operation Desert Storm in the early 90s, the USAF pilots would assist the Saudi F-15 pilots by cat-and-mousing Iraqi jets into the crosshairs of the Saudi pilots so they could shoot them down and get the “Kill” credit for themselves.
Hugh Fitzgerald says
That is fascinating –the USAF pilots luring the Iraqi pilots in where the Saudi pilots could then make the kill.
I had a Russian emigre friend whose father was a Soviet general, and headed the Soviet military operation in Iraq. Though not Jewish herself, she was an ardent supporter of Israel, and she told me that when her father came back from Iraq, he told her, re the Iraqi military, “Don’t worry, dear. Israel has nothing to worry about.”
࿗Infidel࿘ says
I had read about the Saudis from former veterans who posted on such stories. One of them noted that since the Saudis pay billions for such expensive toys, they’re actually loathe to use them. You’ll notice that when they were being threatened by Yemen or Iran, they didn’t use any of the advanced weaponry they had, b’cos they knew their pilots wouldn’t necessarily come up on top, and if one of those aircraft was blown up in combat, there went billions down the drain. They didn’t care whether they lost pilots, but they definitely weren’t gonna lose those expensive toys
ploome says
old article still relevant
Why Arabs Lose Wars,
Norvell B. De Atkine
https://www.meforum.org/middle-east-quarterly/why-arabs-lose-wars
Winston 101 says
Daniel Triplette & ploome,
ploome: Thanks for the link. I keep meaning to read that article –
now I’ve got the link, great!
DT: Great info about Saudi fighter pilots selection.
So basically Saudi fighter pilots are like aristocratic DEI hires?
Even if Saudi Arabia managed to fly the expensive, offensive,
high status, fighter jets, they would be flown by low motivated,
low quality pilots, against highly motivated, highly talented pilots.
Do I have that right?
Daniel Triplett says
Yes Winston, you have that correct. Basically, the expensive fighter jets for the Saudis are like a fun weekend hobby for Saudi royal princes. Same with the other Arab Gulf States.
They fly their jets for sport on the weekend, then drive their Ferraris & Rolls-Royces back to their mansions, $Millions, and harems full of multiple wives.
gravenimage says
+1
Nelson W. Lentz says
WHY is President Trump selling our highest tech fighter aircrafts to Saudi Arabia which is NOT an ally!!???
The Saudis savagely tortured and murdered an American journalist and then lied about it.
Look carefully at the photo that came with this article: it shows Trump with an appropriately STUPID expression on his face while the Saudi Prince is laughing is head off at Trump for proving that he (Trump) is one of the Prince’s useful idiots!!
And make no mistake about it, this is an act of TREASON by Trump!
gravenimage says
Nelson, at best this is deep stupidity. President Bush made the same mistake–albeit this was somewhat more understandable a quarter century ago.
Daniel Triplett says
Yes, in a close-in dogfight between two F-35s (visual, within 5-10 NM), the IDF pilots will smoke the Saudi pilots. They have superior stick & rudder skills, and are far more proficient with conventional air-to-air tactics. On top of that, the IDF pilots are selected on merit.
In order to guarantee the Qualitative Military Edge (QME) for Israel, we should probably sell them some F-22s, which are the true kings of Air Superiority. The Air Superiority mission (F-15/F-22) is to deny the airspace of enemy use. To own the sky. Nothing does that better than the F-22.
The F-16/F-35 is a multi-role fighter, designed to fight their way into a ground target, strike it, then fight their way out. But they’d better hope that fight doesn’t involve a true Air Superiority fighter on the ingress or egress because they will be facing a more formidable airplane with a pilot who does nothing but train for Air Superiority and dogfights, because he doesn’t spend any time training for tactical airstrikes on ground targets.
The law right now forbids the sale of F-22 to ANY foreign nation. That’s how important it is to our national security. We have 185 of them. They first entered service in 2005, and the Chinese have developed some weapons now designed to defeat the F-22’s advantages.
Hence, the F-47. A two-engine Air Superiority replacement for the F-22.
So, perhaps we should change the law and sell some F-22s to Israel, which would definitely maintain the QME for them against Muslim actors in F-35s. The F-22 is a “hand-me-down” anyway from us since we’re starting the F-47 program, which will no doubt also be forbidden for sale to foreign nations, as the F-22 currently is.
Here’s an interesting article about the F-47:
National Security Journal
3NOV2025
“The F-47 Fighter Has a Message for Every Air Force on Earth”
https://nationalsecurityjournal.org/the-f-47-fighter-has-a-message-for-every-air-force-on-earth/
Wellington says
I hope Trump knows what he’s doing. Sometimes I do and other times I don’t. Anyone with me here?
somehistory says
Wellington,
I always hope the one in charge….with our lives at stake….knows what he is doing.
With Mr. Trump….my mind is like a roller coaster…up, yes he does, down, no he does not. (I’ve never been a fan of riding those things.)
And when it’s ‘down,’ I have to wonder how much is deliberately bad.
GE says
I’m with you Wellington and somehistory.
Saudis are not are friends.
Qatar is not our friend.
Erdogan the snake and Turks are not our friends.
OLD GUY says
GE. You are totally correct. Maybe Trump is playing the hold your enemies close card. But one thing for sure America needs to treat these countries the same as they treat us when it comes to visas and migration. They do NOT come here to assimilate and support our laws and society.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
GE
I largely agree, but I do think there is a hierarchy to the hostility of those countries:
⮞ Turkey, Qatar – #1 enemies (along w/ Iran and Pakistan)
⮞ Egypt – #2 frenemy
⮞ Saudi Arabia, Syria – #3 frenemy
gravenimage says
I know just how you guys feel…
John Smith says
We’re all in the same boat on this one.
Nelson W. Lentz says
If Trump does know what he’s doing, he’s committing TREASON; Saudi Arabia is Not our Ally.
They tortured and savagely murdered an American journalist and then lied about it, knowing that Trump would sweep it under the rug just as he did.
Daniel Triplett says
I don’t think Trump would knowingly do anything to harm America. I think his heart is in the right place. I don’t doubt his loyalty to our country and his patriotism.
I just think he’s Dunning-Kruger about Islam. Part of this is his Narcissm and ego. The other part is his massive success with Commerce. He believes that Commerce and “deals” will bring to the World the same benefits as Commerce has enriched his own life.
This is the same naivete Bush 43 had with “Democracy.” Bush 43 believed Democracy would bring the Ummah into line with us, and Trump believers its “Commerce.”
Both are fools.
The other thing hamatringing Trump is the 2011 era Obama/Brennan era institutionalized regulated Censorship, such that no Federal Executive Branch agency is allowed to even speak, write, or say the words, “Islam, Muslims, or Jihad.”
Consequently, that puts POTUSs such as Trump instantly in the dark. And how can POTUSs change that if they don’t even know that problem exists in the first place?
Deus Vult says
So, let me see if I understand the argument here: Trump, who has committed to revisiting and expanding the Abraham Accords, would sell to the Saudis an offensive weapon that they could use against Israel, their new economic partner. This premise is idiotic.
If the Saudis were to use the planes as offensive it is much more likely to be against Shia Iran and its allies in Yemen or in Africa.
Do a little critical thinking when you write stuff.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
I honestly don’t believe that the Saudis can/will use them against anybody. See my response to Hugh above
I do agree w/ you on some things. While the Saudis and Emiratis ain’t perfect, they are moving in the right direction. Emirates at least allows sandboxes for non-muslims in that country, and Saudi Arabia has been relaxing a lot of rules, and I don’t expect MbS to deliver a secular country overnight: that would be the end of him. In the case of Syria, while I have my reservations, I do have a wait and watch approach
My real beef w/ the President is over Qatar and Turkey, both of whom he has praised profusely, and emboldened. He negotiated a peace deal b/w Armenia and Azerbaijan, but I have yet to see what exactly did Armenia get out of it. Then there is also his profuse praise of Pakistan, another double faced regime like Qatar, which has just pissed off India no end: despite what Trump says about liking Modi, these days, the latter does his best to avoid being anywhere near him
gravenimage says
I take your point Infidel, but just hoping your enemies will be too feckless to attack is not the best plan…
KufarDawg says
I remember when the USA was called the arsenal of democracy rather than various and sundry moslame thugocracies.
I wonder if any Soddy Barbarian oil riyals ever find their way to funding Hamas?
gravenimage says
Deus Vult, Hugh Fitzgerald did not make this up.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
There’s only one thing Israel can do here to make its displeasure felt: start buying S400s as well from either Russia, or India. Tell the US that it needs that to maintain its QME, and do it w/ its own money, not w/ US aid money (yeah, yeah, I know money is fungible, but every other country has been playing that game)
During the Cold War, the Soviets switched from a neutral to a pro-Arab stance in 1956, when they saw that Israel was not gonna go communist. But the Russians no longer have that hang-up: since they’ve lost customers like Iraq, and to a good extent Iran and Syria, they might as well start selling stuff to Israel
Westman says
“Saudi Arabia to have such a weapon, because we know the most likely use to which it would be put is against the state of Israel.”
I must have missed something. The Saudis haven’t been at war with Israel since the 1973 Yom Kipper War, 52 years ago, and have attempted normalization with Israel which was disrupted by the 10/7 Hamas-Israel war. The attack on the SA oil production, which needs defense, did not come from Israel.
Israelis themselves will keep the QME of the F-35 and would already have improvements that won’t be in the SA purchase. It’s to our advantage that the Saudis are not buying the Russian Su-57.
gravenimage says
Trump Will Sell F-35s to Saudi Arabia
…………………………………………..
Deeply foolish. Hope this does not go through.
Candy Gonyo says
CURIOUS AS TO WHY IT WOULDN’T GO THROUGH. DOES CONGRESS HAVE TO APPROVE?
gravenimage says
Trump may change his mind. This has happened before.
Candy Gonyo says
TRUMP THE TRAITOR POS I WONDER HOW MANY GOLF COURSES THE SAUDIS AGREED FOR HIM TO BUILD IN THE M.E? TRAITOR TO HIS BASE AND ISRAEL.
Candy Gonyo says
ISN’T IT NICE THAT TRUMP TRAITOR IS SELLING FIGHTER JETS TO S.A. WHERE I ASSUME MUSLIM PILOTS WILL LEARN HOW TO FLY THEM AT THE NEW AIR FORCE BASE IN IDAHO TRUMP TRAITOR AGREED TO WITH QATAR. HEY TRUMP, DO YOU THINK YOU’RE GETTING RICHER BY BEING PRESIDENT, KINDA LIKE BIDUMB AND HUNTER DID? I NO LONGER TRUST YOU. AM NO LONGER MAGA, AND I PERSONALLY THINK YOU’RE A POS
somehistory says
Sorry, but some of us….at least, I….don’t read comments in all caps.
gravenimage says
Try not letting the caps lock key stick. You won’t make your point by shouting at us.
Warren L Grover says
Islam is Islam and you can’t change it no matter how you dress it up. Moves such as this will come back to bite us
ploome says
the more money “investments” muslims make in the USA, the more influence and presence in the USA.
They need some place secure and profitable to place/invest their UNEARNED trillions …this trillion dollar investment helps the Saudis more than it helps us..in the long run.
That bothers me more than the F-35 sale.
Should theF-35’s become a threat to Israel, disabling the F-35 would take a few hours-the trillion dollar investment and muslim money and influence may not be reversible and may be increasing exponentially and permanently.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Yeah, I do think that Qatari (not so much Saudi any more) investment in the US is corrupting institutions to the point that they’re going blind to the dangers of sharia practices. It is important to recognize countries that play both sides, such as Qatar and Pakistan, and keep they isolated. If we can do it to Russia, who’s no threat directly to us, we can definitely do it to them
ploome says
ANY muslim investment
gravenimage says
Too true, ploome and Infidel.
Walter Sieruk says
Even though I, very much, respect President Trump on the subject of sealing all those F- 35s to Saudi Arabia is a mistake in his judgement.
The reason why this is so because the Islamic kingdom of Saudi Arabia in no friend of any Western nation, Saudi Arabia is best defined as a kingdom of Islamic hate.
As one Arab scholar who had lived in a Middle Eastern country, for many years revealed “Saudi madrassa notably teaches hatred and condemnation of the West and non-Muslims” and “The Saudi Government also provides free textbooks to Islamic schools throughout the world . many of the Saudi- Issued textbook’s contain wording that encourages hatred and intolerance for non-Muslims.” [1]
Saudi Arabia in many ways is no better than Iran.
[1] THEY MUST BE STOPPED by Brigitte Gabriel, page 106
In addition, the Islamic kingdom of Saudi Arabia has not and will not spare any of its vast oil wealth as to use its financial resources to fund and promote the advancement of Islam by and through the jihad. By this it means both the stealth jihad and even the subtle support violent jihad.
As explained, for example in the book HOW ISLAM PLANS TO CHANGE THE WORLD by William Wagner. For on pages 109, 110. The reader is informed that “The Wall Street journal on April 15, 2003 published an article titled ‘In law Seminars, A Saudi Group Spreads Extremism.’ The article began by saying ‘In late February more than 300 young men from across Europe gathered for a weekend seminar on Islamic Law put on by Al-Waqf al-Islaami Foundation.’ The article went on to explain that the most famous graduates from the seminar were half a dozen members of the group of young men from Hamburg, Germany, who plotted the September 11, attacks. The language of the was Dutch, but ‘the message was imported from Saudi Arabia, via Saudi books and lecturers who taught a strict orthodox interpretation of Islam.’ “
Further on the very same page of 110 the information is given that “TIME MAGAZINE , in an article on Saudi Arabia: Inside the Kingdom,’ stated ‘Apart from channeling money to foundations that have assisted terrorist groups, Saudis have for years supported institutions abroad the propagate Wahhabism.’”
So with that Islamic regime of Saudi Arabia and its oil money support the different type of the jihad, both stealth and the violent kind, with its Islamic agenda advancement and spread , influence and infiltration of the Western nations ,this kingdom of Saudi Arabia is no friend at all of America or any other country of the West.
Walter Sieruk says
It should be known and not forgotten that the Islamic kingdom of Saudi Arabia has not and will not spare any of its vast oil wealth as to use its financial resources to fund and promote the advancement of Islam by and through the jihad. By this it means both the stealth jihad and even the subtle support violent jihad.
As explained, for example in the book HOW ISLAM PLANS TO CHANGE THE WORLD by William Wagner. For on pages 109, 110. The reader is informed that “The Wall Street journal on April 15, 2003 published an article titled ‘In law Seminars, A Saudi Group Spreads Extremism.’ The article began by saying ‘In late February more than 300 young men from across Europe gathered for a weekend seminar on Islamic Law put on by Al-Waqf al-Islamic Foundation.’ The article went on to explain that the most famous graduates from the seminar were half a dozen members of the group of young men from Hamburg, Germany, who plotted the September 11, attacks. The language of the was Dutch, but ‘the message was imported from Saudi Arabia, via Saudi books and lecturers who taught a strict orthodox interpretation of Islam.’ “
Further on the very same page of 110 the information is given that “TIME MAGAZINE , in an article on Saudi Arabia: Inside the Kingdom,’ stated ‘Apart from channeling money to foundations that have assisted terrorist groups, Saudis have for years supported institutions abroad the propagate Wahhabism.’”
In addition to all this, in the book of the title of THE HISTORY OF JIHAD FROM MUHAMMAD TO ISIS, by Robert Spencer on pages 333 through 337.Mr Spencer provides valid information of the subject of “The Saudi involvement in September 11.”2001
So, with that Islamic regime of Saudi Arabia and its oil money support the different type of the jihad, both stealth and the violent kind, with its Islamic agenda advancement and spread, influence and infiltration of the Western nations, this kingdom of Saudi Arabia is no friend at all of the United Kingdom or America or any other country of the West.
Furthermore, the Islamic kingdom of Saudi Arabia many times funds construction and reading material of many madrassas which are are Muslim mind control and mind programming places where Muslim males are thoroughly indoctrinated into the strong but blind and unquestioning faith in Koran with all non-watered down; hard core Islam with its militant jihad. Those places, “schools,” are called madrasas. In those Islamic mind programming centers young Muslim male are ingrain in the mindset Koranic dogma of the use of violence and killing for the advancement of Islam. As the Koran instructs. As in, for example, in 2:191. 9:5, 123. 47:4. Many of those who of such center are so much damaged that they are literally dangerous to self and others. As seen many times in jihad suicide, homicide bombing/attacks. For the Koran instructs in 9:111. “The believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, they kill and are killed.”
Furthermore, those mind programming places also ingrain the outlandish absurd Koranic doctrine of a ex-filled paradise with many virgins, houris, in it for the Muslim male who dies fighting for the cause of Islam in the jihad. Such a strange doctrine of a houris filled- place in found in the Koran in 44:54. 55:56. 78:31. Moreover, such Islamic mind programming centers are further explained about by the scholar Don Richardson in his book SECRETS OF THE KORAN which on pages 69,70. Informs the reader that “The world needs to be warned. At least forty million Muslim youth in the Muslim worlds’ religious schools, called madrasa, are avidly memorizing the entire Koran … These schools become breeding grounds for potential terrorists. When male students, isolated from family and friends in madrasa, reach puberty and their hormones are active, there are no girls to date. Instead, Muslim clerics easily shift to focusing the male student’s attention on Koranic verse that promises sex in heaven with dark-eyed houris. Students can only fantasize about martyrdom followed by the sexual release Muhammad promised. This is an unspeakably cruel brainwashing technique, and the Koran is its perfect guidebook.”
In short, Saudi Arabia is very guilty of promoting Islamic terrorism as Iran
Absl says
And no mention of Trump giving Saudi Arabia a nuclear program?
That is the big big deal. The program would be quickly convertible to make nuclear weapon if MBS decides to. Trump wants Saudi Arabia to begin dabbling in nuclear.
Also, it is well know. Said Arabia purchased ICBMs long time ago from the Chinese , but they won’t admit to it, they can quickly be jacked up with nuclear war heads.
We should be concerned about these two coincidences…And Israel should be shitting bricks
gravenimage says
Donald Trump is not giving Saudi Arabia nuclear weapons. However, his administration has actively pursued and recently signed a Joint Declaration on the Completion of Negotiations on Civil Nuclear Energy Cooperation to allow the transfer of civilian nuclear technology to the Kingdom. This is foolish, but not what you claim.