In this new video, I discuss some of the more unfortunate aspects of the recent heated controversies over Muhammad’s existence, and show how to become genuinely informed about this issue — and how not to.
Get Did Muhammad Exist? here.
Get Muhammad: A Critical Biography here.
Tim gallagher says
I don’t believe mo existed. But the problem with Islam, mo Allah and the hole damned thing is that it is all so evil and barbaric. That is why Muslims, who are poisoned by Islam’s evil content, should be banned from polluting non Muslim societies. If mo existed he was extremely evil . In Galatians 5,22 and 23 Paul says Christians should show love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self control. Islam is the opposite of those ideals. Muslims should leave Islam because it is so evil, full of barbaric filth.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Like I mentioned earlier in the Ibn Warraq thread, it’s not whether it’s valid to research the history of whether or not Muhammad existed: it’s what use it’s then put to. I fully support finding out, for example, where did the Arab invasions start: was it in Medina, or Damascus. Or when were the hadiths and sira actually completed – 9th century or even later? B’cos that changes a whole lot of what we are taught about the history of that region. For instance, if islam was not fully codified until the 12th century, then all the claims of certain Mongol rulers or generals converting to it becomes totally invalid. And there is the question of the mosques: the first wave of Arab & Turkic conquerors would just demolish temples, churches, Zoroastrian fire temples and Hindu temples, but didn’t build mosques in their places. That trend happened much later, maybe to prevent those temples from being re-built
About the long gaps b/w an actual event and its history being recorded, Raymond Ibrahim gave some good parallels when talking about the history of Alexander the Great, but omitted to mention contemporaneous literature from the places he invaded, if not conquered. For instance, he had invaded India but had stopped at the Indus, and ancient Hindu historians give a good account of his campaigns there, so he did exist. I am not sure how contemporaneous the Greek, Persian and other accounts of his conquests were, but I do accept that a strong oral tradition at the time enabled people to transmit a largely accurate account of his adventures. But yeah, that would call into question the comparisons being drawn b/w Alexander and Muhammad
I do agree w/ Robert’s bottom line – reading books. These days, you get ebooks and audiobooks, so that’s there for people like me who increasingly dislike slaughtered tree editions
gravenimage says
Actually, I think that Infidels being able to openly question Islam is key–whatever conclusions one ultimately comes to.
traeh says
Robert, I think you predicted civil wars coming in Europe many years ago, way ahead of the crowd now predicting it. I wonder if you could point to the earliest story or article where you made that prediction, because I’d like to start dropping comments around the internet pointing out how you were aware of this problem so long ago.
gravenimage says
Great to see you posting again, Traeh!
Daniel Triplett says
The subject interests me too. I found the built-in “Search this website” feature all the way at the bottom of this web page to be quite useful.
Here’s what it just now returned for me:
Search results for “Europe civil war.” Many fascinating pieces:
https://jihadwatch.org/search/Europe+civil+war
࿗Infidel࿘ says
I second Gravenimage in welcoming you back, traeh
Thank you Daniel Triplett for the link. I did a quick page jump to pg 30 & then advanced, and found a few that might interest Traeh Earliest seems to be 2004, although I’m sure Robert had sounded the alarm even before that.
⮞ https://jihadwatch.org/2004/07/how-europe-became-eurabia
⮞ https://jihadwatch.org/2004/12/can-europe-meet-this-crisis-with-its-secular-vision-of-tolerance
⮞ https://jihadwatch.org/2004/12/muslims-staking-out-their-place-in-europe
⮞ https://jihadwatch.org/2005/06/jihad-warning
⮞ https://jihadwatch.org/2005/11/muslims-scorn-europes-ways-conspire-to-take-it-over
⮞ https://jihadwatch.org/2005/11/spencer-jihad-in-europe
Not just Robert, but here are a few others – Hugh Fitzgerald (who’s about to release the book on this subject), Rebecca Bynum (one of the founders of this site), Mark Steyn, Ali Sina, Daniel Pipes….
⮞ https://jihadwatch.org/2005/05/fitzgerald-are-we-at-war-with-islam
⮞ https://jihadwatch.org/2005/11/steyn-wake-up-europe-youve-a-war-on-your-hands
⮞ https://jihadwatch.org/2005/05/sina-the-fall-of-europe
⮞ https://jihadwatch.org/2005/10/pipes-europe-under-siege
So traeh, there are 10 links from 2004-2005: 6 from Robert, where he also references Bat Yeor’s book “Eurabia”, and 4 more from 4 other people who predicted this to varying degrees – Hugh Fitzgerald, Mark Steyn (miss him these days: where has he disappeared?), Ali Sina (same question as w/ Mark Steyn) and Daniel Pipes (who I found relatively mediocre)
Quite a selection for your endeavor, traeh
gravenimage says
The Recent Controversies Over Muhammad’s Existence: What’s the Way Forward?
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We have the right to ask these questions, no matter how Muslims hate it.