The New York City mayor’s race is this way by design.
The polls showing that Zohran Mamdani, a socialist and Muslim terror supporter who only became a citizenship in 2018, could become the mayor of New York City, where his compatriots murdered thousands of Americans, may or may not be true, but there’s no reason why they wouldn’t be.
Mamdani is up against Cuomo, a repulsive and widely hated figure that opponents of the Muslim socialist are only getting behind because the alternative is even worse, and then Mayor Eric Adams, whom much of the city probably right believes is corrupt. There are other candidates in the race, but at this point they don’t really matter very much.
But above all else, the only reason Mamdani’s numbers look this good is that ranked choice voting is doing what it’s supposed to.
Ranked choice voting is designed to elevate fringe candidates who normally wouldn’t have much of a shot in a normal race. And then the same hipster-industrial complex that went to town making De Blasio seem cool and relatable goes to work on what sociopath they picked to make him seem acceptable to at least enough people, not as a first choice, but as a choice.
Add on the large voting base of elderly people who assume that candidates are ranked in order of preference and end up ranking bad candidates last, the whole thing can be moneyballed into a catastrophe.
Mike says
I see it now Just like Alaska & Maine. We will make a law where Ranked Choice Voting and we democrats will never lose
Death at the lefts own hands
Hoi Polloi says
Yes, I’ve read a bit about Murkowski and how ranked choice pushed her into office. It’s a scourge.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
No, it’s not like Alaska, not sure about Maine. See my post below. It’s more like Virginia – you have RCV in a party primary. Then the winner has to face off in a general against the elected Republican and Independent
Dems still have to outnumber Republicans in a place for RCV to make them invincible, even in open primaries or open generals
Hoi Polloi says
The net says VA is “Open partisan w/ nonpartisan registration.” How does that affect things? (This may be inaccurate because I also found other information I know to be in accurate.) My state tightened that up due to cross-party influence issues. Thanks.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Not sure. What I do know is that within the Republican Party of Virginia RPV, the system that I describe below was used. If someone was registered Republican, s/he got to vote in that matrix system. It is closed party registration, so one would have to actually be registered in the party for some period (it’s not same day)
Not sure whether it’s only the RPV that does this, or the Dems as well
Hoi Polloi says
I’m currently reading about RCV, given that my previous exposure was on only two fronts: 1) Murkowski and how unhappy many Alaskans were (although they didn’t repeal RCV), and 2) the fact that I’ve only seen leftists push RCV.
So far the issues I’ve seen discussed are:
RCV requires familiarity with multiple candidates and I find it difficult enough to get accurate information on just two.
Error rates are higher, and given the ballot images I’ve seen in the wake of 2020, that concerns me more than it did before.
“A study of Maine elections found that, of 98 recent ranked choice elections, 60 percent of the victors did not win by a majority of the total votes cast.”
Voter turnout in ranked choice elections is lower.
Ballot chain of custody issues result as they’re transported to a central location since a paper ballot/simple count onsite is not workable and electronic voting, something many want to see ended after 2020, becomes necessary.
If it works for your state, that’s great.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Hoi Polloi
What is the system in Maine? Do they have RCV in an open primary or general? If they do, it’s bad. If they don’t, it’s fine
Within a primary, the way it works is that the candidates w/ the fewest #1 votes gets eliminated, and his/her votes are shared b/w the other candidates, based on their rankings. After that, the next lowest candidate is similarly eliminated, until they are just down to 2. At which point,a weighted average of them would determine the winner
That way, regardless of how they voted, every voter would have expressed some opinion or the other about a candidate. They don’t have to research all, just pick the ones they like. It’s only a problem if votes where all the candidates aren’t ranked are disqualified where it would be a problem
Isabella Hale says
HE WILL LOSE the election for sure now. NEW YORKers understand that the U.S even thought that “YOUNG MAN” does not remember.. NY is BROKE and it will never be BAILED OUT AGAIN. I remember when NY went BROKE.. and then there was 9/11.
Trump is the President and he is not giving ANY MORE FREE HOTEL ROOMS OR MONEY TO NY.
Where is RUDY.. ? figuring out a plan now.
rick says
I can’t believe that NYC will elect an anti-Semite Muslim pro-terrorist but the democratic primary is sizing up to that horrible fact and usually the winner of the Primary is the winner of the election. As a former New Yorker I am very saddened by that fact. And it seems like this pro-terrorist is also a very hard line socialist so maybe its good bye Wall Street or at least a transfer of some of the Market to a site in NJ or elsewhere. Today, when electronic businesses, and the Market is at the top of that list, can be run from just about anywhere, why should it stay in the up coming NY environment. A sad day for New York CIty, for America and especially for the Jewish population of New York.
James Lincoln says
rick,
West Palm Beach Florida is also starting to look attractive to some Wall Street financial firms.
Even more so if New York City goes totally commie.
https://nypost.com/2023/02/17/west-palm-beach-has-become-wall-street-south/
࿗Infidel࿘ says
This is one of those rare occasions where I disagree w/ Daniel
Ranked Choice Voting is actually a great way to elect candidates in primaries, which is what this one in NYC was. Essentially, voters in a party rank all their candidates, so that the ultimate winner is the one w/ a statistic average and support behind him/her. In Virginia, that’s how the Republican Party of Virginia does primaries, although here, there’s also the factor of how red or how blue a county/electoral district is, so that red counties in southern Virginia such as Roanoke carry more weight than the blue counties near DC, such as Fairfax county or Alexandria. Result of that is that heavily populated but blue districts such as the latter don’t end up foisting a Centrist candidate over the overall state party, when those districts don’t vote for the party anyway and their candidates are not representative of the overall state electorate in the areas where the party does have support
Ranked choice voting has a bad rap b’cos it’s a bad choice for either open primaries like in California, or general elections like in Alaska
In California, for instance, if there are 2 or more Dems on the ballot, Dems, who heavily outnumber Republicans in that state, can in a general election easily vote for their top 2 favorite Dems, and then in the general, Republicans have no one to vote for. That’s how Kamala won her Senate seat: she defeated Loretta Sanchez, an Orange county Dem. In fact, Republicans have to hope that Dem votes get split in more than 2 directions in order to hope that their candidate is available for the general election
In Alaska, they have RCV in the general elections, as opposed to the open primary like California. So whenever Lisa Murkowski runs, she loses the GOP vote to whoever the state party backs, but she is the second favorite of the Dems in that state. So she gets whatever Republican votes she gets, plus the 2nd choice of the Dems. There however, isn’t usually a Democrat candidate who can do to the Dems what Murkowski does to the Republicans. As a result, she ends up unassailable, even though Anchorage happens to be a Republican city, which is a rarity in this country, where big cities usually lean Blue
So RCV is horrible for the above 2 scenarios – either an open primary, or a general election. But it is great for internal party elections, where no candidate gets to win by default, and voters get a chance to carefully weigh their different favorites, and vote accordingly, and then their net vote gets more accurately quantified
Daniel’s comment above that it promotes fringe candidates only works when a party is as dysfunctional as the Dems. On the GOP side, RCV gave Virginia Glenn Youngkin, who is anything but a fringe candidate: in fact, he’s pretty balanced b/w RINO & MAGA, When a party is allowed to rank all their candidates & weigh them, the person chosen is a weighted average winner, as opposed to being in a horserace where he may just get a low plurality of votes. So if there are 10 candidates in a race and one person gets 22% of the vote, he can win, despite there being questions about what the remaining 78% think of him. RCV completely destroys that by getting everyone to weigh in on every candidate. Like I said, it’s inappropriate for general elections or open primaries, but perfect for closed primaries like Virginia and NYC
The problem in NYC is not RCV, but the facts that
⮞ The only “mainstream” Dem that they apparently have is a sexual harasser who got booted out of his job due to that, and who also had the dubious reputation of getting all those elderly Covid-19 patients killed in those nursing homes b’cos he failed to use either the Javitt Center or that ship that was sent to New York to handle that. Why would New Yorkers vote for him: just b’cos the other guy is a jihadist? When the party doesn’t think there’s any problem w/ either jihad or islam or antisemitism?
⮞ New York voters are heavily Marxist, which is why they previously kept electing Bill de Blassio until he was term-limited out, and now, they’re voting for Madmani. There aren’t enough centrist Dems to stop Madmani: the bulk of them have fled the party
The best hope for New Yorkers would be for those Dems who don’t support Madmani to unite w/ all Republicans in the city to elect Eric Adams. Yeah, he started badly, but unlike other mayors, such as Brandon Johnson in Chicago or Karen Bass in LA, he was willing to reverse course when he saw that a policy was a problem, and now has been actively working w/ the Trump administration on the crackdown on illegals. Which is why the Democrat Party turned on him, and why he’s running as an independent. Curtis Sliwa got nowhere last time, and should get behind him, even if he himself may be a better candidate. Dem registrations in NYC are much higher, so Republicans there should unite w/ Centrists and centrist-Dems to try and defeat Madmani in the general
Hoi Polloi says
Agreed that allowing Cuomo to run was asking for this result. I’m hoping as well that NYC still has enough will to live to do what it takes to defeat Madmani.
James Lincoln says
Infidel,
Agree that Eric Adams would be the “least bad” pick who – would actually have a chance to win with the right backing.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
James
Given how Eric Adams adjusted his policies or at least his recommendations once he saw what being a Sanctuary city did to NYC, I actually have a positive impression of him. Yeah, he started horribly, and part of the problem was Alvin Bragg, who unfortunately is still around. But being willing to course correct is something that’s praiseworthy, especially in a city where a Republican has no shot of getting elected. I don’t see where they get their next Rudy
I would like Curtis Sliwa to pull out and throw his weight behind Adams. The problem NYC has is not Adams, but rather the City Council and Alvin Bragg
somehistory says
In this time of rigged voting….Patel is disclosing how china was involved in ’20….one must wonder if any elected person is really elected and not *selected.*
If the moz scum makes it to mayor, NYC will be a place where Americans are warned not to travel.
Rape, assaults, mugging and robbery on the streets and in Central Park will be like the U.K. has become where White children and young women will be victims like has never been seen there before.
Adams may be corrupt…evidence says so….but he isn’t what the moz scum who supports terror, is.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
There’s a reason 13 states have outlawed ranked choice voting. It’d be nice to get a reading from the SCOTUS on whether it’s constitutional (i.e., lawful) would be nice. Like all governmental innovations, the RCV move is certainly working out for the left.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
It worked great in Virginia for the state GOP. Glenn Youngkin got elected, and he’s somewhere in the middle of a Phil Scott (VT) and Ron DeSantis (FL)
somehistory says
“ella imhoff felt trauma going to the same polling station where she voted for harris ” (her stepmother)….as she voted there for the moz scum …saying something about how great it is ‘getting behind zohran.’
Better not get in front of him little girl, as he hates Jews.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
She is not Jewish: her real mother isn’t. Only her dad is, and that too, very fleetingly. In fact, the only reason he gives any importance to his heritage at all is his DEI wife insisting on it. At any rate, the Jewish faith is transmitted matrilineally, not patrilineally
gravenimage says
Ranked Choice Voting is a Tool for Electing Leftist Extremists
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It’s certainly starting to seem that way. I can’t believe that a vicious antisemitic Muslim is leading in NYC.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
See above. On the GOP side, the same system worked pretty well in Virginia, where it helped elect Glenn Youngkin, hardly a Leftist extremist, even within the GOP. The system is not to blame here: as Wellington loves to frequently point out, it’s the current edition of the Democrat party that’s a cross b/w the Green Party and CAIR
Falsafa says
“…Muslim terror supporter….” typical nonsensical BS from the christian, zionist extermist mob that you all are! Zohran Mamdani is set to become NYC’s next mayor and there is nothing you bigots can do about it. Even AIPAC money will not be able to change the outcome. Accept it and drop your brain dead extermism!
Falsafa says
typo correction:…extremism…
somehistory says
Everything you write is *false*…..fals… except that the mozscum jerk may become mayor. If he does, it’s all downhill from that moment for the people of NYC, just as it is in all of the mozscummy-run nations of the world.
You should look up the meaning of “bigot.”
And it is ***extremely*** bad that an evil mozscum will have so much control…..if he actually manages to get the power.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Well, Mr Jihad
Election day will reveal whether there are more communists & jihadists in NYC, or whether a majority of the citizens are still sane, if Liberals. He only won the primary: he still has to defeat Eric Adams on November 4th
Mad Mac says
It doesn’t take ranked choice voting to ruin an election.
All it takes is a third candidate.
That’s how the Republican Lincoln was elected in 1860
with only 39 percent of the vote.
There were two Democrat nominees.
That led to the War Between the States
and the death of 700,000 Americans.
In 1992, a bitter H. Ross Perot siphoned votes
from popular incumbent George H. Bush
allowing an unknown Arkansas governor,
the affable “Bubba” Clinton,
to be president during the unchallenged rise
of Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
There are third parties all the time. In 2016, you had Gary Johnson from the Libertarians, who unlike other Libertarian candidates, had a record as a governor of New Mexico. In 2020, you had Jill Stein and Cornel West running for Leftist votes. If you have a successful presidency, it doesn’t matter. Reason President Bush 41 went down was the perception that all he cared about was foreign policy, ignoring domestic economic turmoil
OLD GUY says
And Mandani has what qualifications to manage a huge organization with multi task departments? He’s young and he’s an immigrant Muslim should say it all.
One of the biggest mistake NY voters could make would be to but a rank radical muslim politician in as mayor.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Who needs qualifications of any sort when one is a Democrat? All one needs to do is check the right boxes, and presto! One is the party’s nominee for the office
If 3 terrms of Wilhelm de Blassio couldn’t educate New Yorkers about what a disaster communism is, nothing ever will!
Walter Sieruk says
A message, very much ,need to be sent to those stealth jihad- minded Muslims politicians, as Zohran Mamdani, who are running for government office in the USA who attempt to have Sharia law enacted in this country. They need to be reminded that the United States had something that is far better than Sharia law. It’s the US Constitution. This is America, not Saudi Arabia or Iran.
As the former US President, Theodore Roosevelt, had well-spoken when he declared in a speech “There can be no fifty-fifty Americanism in this country. There is only room here for only hundred percent Americanism, only for those who are Americans and nothing else.”
Walter Sieruk says
A message, very much ,need to be sent to those stealth jihad- minded Muslims politicians, as Zohran Mamdani, who are running for government office in the USA who attempt to have Sharia law enacted in this country. They need to be reminded that the United States had something that is far better than Sharia law. It’s the US Constitution. This is America, not Saudi Arabia or Iran.
As the former US President, Theodore Roosevelt, had well-spoken when he declared in a speech “There can be no fifty-fifty Americanism in this country. There is only room here for only hundred percent Americanism, only for those who are Americans and nothing else.”
Waler Sieruk says
One concept that many Americans just don’t understand that term used, which is “political Islam.” That term is nonsensical and redundant as well as unknown in the Islamic world.
Therefore, it needs to be made clear as to why that Western term is nonsensical and redundant. As explained by two statements.
First, as for that term being nonsensical one devout Muslim who, truly, proclaimed “Islam is Islam.”
Second. as for that term being redundant, has been well explained by none other Ayatollah Khomeini who declared” All Islam is politics.” [1]
[1] THE ISLAM IN ISLAMIC TERRORISM by Ibn Warraq page 332
Peter WF says
Ranked choice voting sounds incredibly similar to what we have in Australia known as “Preferential voting”.
Don’t do it!! As the vote count goes down the preferences you vote for people you don’t want anything to do with. It makes it incredibly difficult to oust or shake up the main political parties.
Take immigration in Australia as an example. The majority want it cut back drastically as per Canada for example. The pollys in control do not listen.
1) totally dependent on immigration to keep the economy from being in recession. Who wants to look like a poor manager of the economy?
2) Lots of pollys own multiple residential investment properties – who thinks the pollys will reduce the demand for homes? They are busy finding ways to add more buyers.
“Show me the incentive and I’ll show you the outcome.” Charlie Munger, Warren Buffett’s business partner.