The more diverse the UK becomes, the more mysterious life becomes.
The more diverse the UK becomes, the more mysterious life becomes. Especially anything that involves naming the peaceful religion that must not be named lest terrible violence occur for inexplicable reasons having nothing to do with it.
Here’s another one of those mysteries that will probably never be solved.
An “authoritarian” father accused of murdering his daughter-in-law six months after she flew to the UK to marry his son has been found guilty.
Mashal Ilyas, 24, was found unconscious at the bottom of the stairs of the family home on 9 October 2024, Manchester Crown Court heard.
Nadeem Mohammed Begum, 53, from Atherton, Wigan, told police and paramedics he had been asleep and had not seen or heard anything before he found his daughter-in-law collapsed.
However, Begum was found guilty of her murder at Manchester Crown Court earlier after forensic testing, CCTV and phone evidence linked him to the scene.
The court heard that Mashal Ilyas came to the UK following arrangements made by the two families but there were tensions in the family.
Senior Crown Prosecutor for CPS North West Katie Marsden said: “Mashal Ilyas’s life was cruelly cut short by Nadeem Begum.
“It is difficult to understand what drove Begum to take his daughter-in-law’s life in such a brutal way.
“We may never fully understand the circumstances which led to her tragic death.”
It’s a mystery. Especially when you keep using roundabout terms instead of saying that this was an arranged marriage that the father, named a Pakistan Muslim named Mohammed, didn’t take to because his daughter-in-law was not abiding by Muslim codes of conduct and he responded with the traditional Islamic response of an honor killing.
Jurors heard that Ms Ilyas came from a ‘liberal’ family in Pakistan and went on to marry Gulrez in January last year in Pakistan. After moving to the UK, she lived with the rest of the family in a three-bedroom semi-detached house on Oxford Road.
However, there were ‘tensions’ between Ms Ilyas and Begum around her role in the household, with expectation that she was meant to cook and clean for the whole family, rather than just her husband.
No one mentions the “I” word. Of course. Better that it remains a mystery than we mention the record rates of honor-killings in Pakistan or that to most Pakistani Muslims, Mohammed did nothing wrong. And as the UK makes further concessions toward Sharia law, this will become even more of the norm.
If we don’t understand that soon, we’ll be forced to understand it even in terms Kate Marsden can comprehend.
Isabella Hale says
IT IS CALLED EVIL DERANGEMENT. There is no possible explanation for it. It is like trying to explain or justify the HAMAS’s genocide or human atrocities of murder, rape or even cannibalism. EVIL EXISTS. For all we know these people could be satanically infested. I don’t know. They are very sick and hate humanity.
gravenimage says
This is not random–this is what Islam teaches,
Sargon says
Islam is now and has always been a 7th century death cult of pedophiles and murderers.
David Grisez says
These Muslims come from a world that is extremely different from a Western Society. In their world the government and religion are joined together. As a result when Muslims come to a Western Society they bring with them an Islamic Sharia law government and society that they will hold to and over time will impose Sharia Law on the society they live in. As a rule they will not assimilate or become part of the Western Country they live in. They also carry with them their Islamic Society concept of honor and dishonor. This honor and dishonor calls on fathers to murder their daughters that bring dishonor to the family. Especially daughters who do not conform to the rules of Islam. This whole system of Islam is a system of evil and wickedness.
somehistory says
mozlums are taught by their *clergy* ghouls that males are allowed to murder (there is no “honor” in it, just demonism) anyone the male decides is not living according to the *rules* of islime.
This murderer wanted a slave and he didn’t get what he wanted. He was aware that his *religion/political* cult gave him license to murder the woman. He was also aware that U.K. Law doesn’t allow for such murders. (That’s why he claimed being asleep and not knowing anything).
There is only one *reason* for saying “we may never fully understand.” That *reason* is that a moral person can’t truly “understand” how a male can so easily murder a member of his family….for no real *reason* other than that he wants to murder. That *reason* behind the *reason* is islime, of course.
She may also have refused his sexual demands upon her.
James Lincoln says
somehistory says,
“That *reason* is that a moral person can’t truly “understand” how a male can so easily murder a member of his family”
Exactly.
A moral person is at a disadvantage when trying to understand a person who has no morality.
somehistory says
Thank you, James, as always.
James Lincoln says
Senior Crown Prosecutor for CPS North West Katie Marsden said:
“We may never fully understand the circumstances which led to her tragic death.”
Only two possibilities here:
1. Willfully ignorance
2. Fear to tell the truth.
gravenimage says
‘We May Never Fully Understand’ Muslim Honor Killing Motive, Says UK Prosecutor
……………………………………….
Well, if you refuse to notice that in Islam women and girls can be beaten if they are even feared to be disobdient, and that that there is no penalty for Muslim’s murdering your children and chidren’s children, this is certainly the case…
Kosh's Shadow says
Afghanistan, Pakistan, Ichkannichtverstan
(A somewhat modified version of German for “I can’t understand” – “ich kann nicht verstehen”
Winston 101 says
Kosh’s Shadow,
Thank you for my new favorite word.
It can be a noun, tragically, as in: “The new name for the former U K is “Ichkannictverstan”
It can also be a verb as in “Gee, I guess it’s impossible to know, you know” ichkannictverstan!”
Thank you.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Begum means “wife” or “lady” in Urdu. Strange last name for a man
But yeah, Mashal Ilyas’ crime was that she failed to recognize that her new role after marriage was being an unpaid servant at her in-laws
tgusa says
I’m seeing far too many ignorant white female Westerners. Where have they all come from? The men who will eventually have to fight the battles are not impressed. There will have to be a reckoning.
gravenimage says
Of course, it is not just Western women who are clueless about Islam.
tgusa says
What is with these white female Westerners? By now it is perfectly clear how females are treated in islam. Are these women trying to convince Western men that islam is right about women? I dont think it would be fair to judge all Western women that way but when war comes to the West there will be a lot of pissed off men. Western women who like their rights in Western countries need to start confronting the insane Western females among them before they drag them down with them.
tplid says
of course it’s all women’s fault, now where have I heard that before?
some are doing a pretty good job of prising men and women apart socially, I wonder who that benefits?
tgusa says
I went out of my way to state that it is not all women’s fault. Your comment is basically a follow up on my statement that leftist females are a problem. My last sentence was meant as a public service warning.
somehistory says
tgusa, a large part of the problem is illustrated in the comment above yours….a failure to read with understanding; to get the point of a statement; to comprehend the meaning of what is written or said.
Being a White female, I sometimes ponder why other people in my *group*..White females….don’t understand simple things I say or write. When it happens that I am misunderstood, and I need the other person to know what I mean, it can really be frustrating.
In the past few days, it has happened several times Makes me want to grind my teeth. But that’s bad for them.
tgusa says
So many of the so called average people can figure it out so why cant the so called educated people figure it out? I wish someone could answer that question so we can begin to figure out countermeasures.
abu taleb says
> We May Never Fully Understand’ Muslim Honor Killing Motive, Says UK Prosecutor
What is so difficult to understand it? It is simply evil people who don’t care about other people, abuse the power they have to kill helpless victims for their own “good” feeling, and are being hyporcrites, because they never apply their standard to themselves
And Islam cultivates such barbaric “culture”, as Islam always blame others everytime muslims do something wrong. For example, blaming women for not covering their bodies so that muslim men rape the women.
skeptiker says
An ZUVIEL Bildung kann es nicht liegen, dass sich Frau Marsden den Mord nicht erklären kann.
Ich tippe eher auf eine Art von Woke- Realitätsverlust mit gefühligem Gender Hokuspokus. Der Mörder könnte auch Opfer des Klimawandels sein.
Troybeam says
Understand honor killings, stop thinking. Acknowledge that it is in Reliance of the Traveller: islamic Sacred Law, law that was written and derived from all of Islams books.
Honor killing does not need to be understood by non Muslims, it just needs to be addressed as murder which should convict the entire family.
Ralph says
Regarding the UK’s politicians and prosecutors, “There are none so blind as those who will not see”.
UK likely will reach an irreversible tipping point i n the next decade. They’ll be singing, “God save the Imam”.
Adrian Maclean says
Islam is a horrible evil cult and western countries must ban them from immigrating . Islam and its followers are not and never will be compatible with our western culture . We must take action now to stop them .