What do you think? If Ian Sleeper had been an imam holding a sign that said “Ban Christianity,” would authorities have arrested and detained him?
Note that Mr. Justice Sweeting says that Sleeper was detained because of “a risk of harm eventuating to (Mr Sleeper) himself” as well as “risk to ‘other persons’ as a result of public disorder.”
In other words, authorities in shattered, staggering, dhimmi Britain were afraid Muslims would riot if Sleeper remained on the streets with his sign. Britain, as is more obvious by the day, is finished.
“Christian preacher arrested with anti-Islam sign at London Cathedral protest loses High Court battle with Met Police,” by Tristan Kirk, The Standard, January 28, 2025 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
A Christian preacher arrested outside a London cathedral with a placard saying “Love Muslims, Ban Islam, the Religion of Terror” has lost a legal claim that he was unlawfully detained by police.
Ian Sleeper was arrested on suspicion of a religiously aggravated public order offence after the incident outside Southwark Cathedral on June 23, 2017.
He staged the protest a few weeks after the London Bridge terror attack, when three Islamic State-inspired extremists killed eight people and injured 48 others in a van and knife rampage through the streets.
Earlier that year, a terrorist carried out an attack on Westminster Bridge, killing five, an Islamophobic van driver killed a Muslim man outside Finsbury Park Mosque, and a suicide bomber took 22 lives at Manchester Arena after an Ariana Grande concert.
Mr Sleeper, 57, was in possession of two signs when he was arrested – one stating “#Love Muslims, Hate Islam, Jesus is Love + Hope” and the other reading: “Love Muslims, Ban Islam, the Religion of Terror”.
The Metropolitan Police defended the rights of officers to intervene and shut down the protest, in the “febrile“ aftermath of a series of terrorist attacks.
He was held in custody by the Metropolitan Police for more than 12 hours before being released on bail, and two months later he was told there would be no criminal charges.
Mr Sleeper, an evangelical Christian preacher, sued Scotland Yard, claiming false arrest, false imprisonment and breach of human rights.
After losing the initial legal battle, he took his case to the High Court, arguing his right to protest had been unlawfully blocked.
But Mr Justice Sweeting ruled on Tuesday that Mr Sleeper’s human rights had not been breached by his detention, and police had a case that his arrest was “necessary”.
“The basis for arrest was not confined to the possibility of a risk of harm eventuating to (Mr Sleeper) himself but extended to the risk to ‘other persons’ as a result of public disorder”, the judge noted.
He backed the conclusion that “the arrest and detention…was lawful.”…
࿗Infidel࿘ says
And to think that this is the country whose legal heritage is the basis of legal systems for several countries worldwide 🤦
gravenimage says
Britain has largely abandoned her great legacy–such madness.
George Vrable says
This is what happens when a government disarms it’s citizens.
John Allan says
You REALLY need to concern yourself with YOUR country, Mr Spencer – The good ol’ US of A?
And leave us BRITS to concern ourselves with OURS!
somehistory says
Your lame protest is really getting old. Like a broken record on an old phonograph with a blunt needle.
David M says
His speech is like a parody of itself now. The British are too busy going to soccer games to realise their freedoms are gone now & their country is being taken over.
C says
“the British….” no they are not many are very alive to chasm we face. What is happening is the complete oppression of British citizens of which the above is but one example. No free speech means democracy, two tier policing means no Rule of Law. Blasphemy laws aka ‘Hate Crime’s means Shari’a. This country is being destroyed not by the citizens but by our dear leaders and their evident marriage with Islam. Do shut up about British people not doing or saying anything. It’s wrong , glib and v v unhelpful.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
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Okay, so what have you been doing to prevent any further islamization? Or opposing the jihadists already there?
gravenimage says
Robert Spencer regularly criticizes the US when it is warranted. Unlike John Allan, he actally cares about the civilized legacy of Britain and the US. But so long as no one is allowed to comment on Britain’s sad slide, he seems to be just fine with it. Just appalling.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
More precisely, Robert Spencer focuses on and condemns jihad activity everywhere, not just in the US or Britain or Israel or any one particular country. What could be fairer than that?
Hudders. says
@John Allan
Your tired refrain is barely even laughable anymore. Does free speech, or the right to peacefully protest against the islamic death cult have no value to you? Shame on you.
Whilst the majority of UK folks are fearful for the safety of their daughters, or fearful being beaten, spat at, or humiliated by one of the many active sharia patrols that have taken control of many town/city streets, you choose to be petty. How disgusting.
Whilst my church & other places of non muslim worship are regularly vandalised by muslim thugs & sunday morning worshippers are greeted with jihadist chants & insults, you stick your head in the sand. Coward.
You are in fact representaive of the myopic useful idiots who continue to pet the now rabid multicultural trojan horse, whilst ignoring the horrors awaiting just around the corner.
Shame on you again.
I for one, welcome those who care about the islamic takeover of once great Britain & having experienced what islamism is really about, I welcome their fellowship & prayers too, because Britain needs them more than ever before.
Now begone. Be muzzled. Shame on you agin…..
Eddie says
Oh well said Hudders !
I wish I had your eloquence.
That reply was outstanding.
I guess you live in the North of England?
Hudders. says
Could be brother Eddie. What is left of it anyway…..
Thank you for the encouragement.
Stay safe.
Eddie says
“Mr Allen”
Are you actually a “Brit” ?
You certainly don’t speak for me.
If you are ethnically British then I am ashamed of you.
Robert Spencer speaks up against the most intimidating and violent ideology which had plagued mankind for over 1400 years.
He does so backed up by much considered thought based on fact and research and a knowledge of current world events.
He shows that jihad is ongoing, world wide – without borders
I am very grateful to him and it is a matter of great shame to my country and the crass stupidity of Teresa May that he is banned from the UK.
The British need to be woken up to the dangers of Islam.
Troybeam says
Fine job your doing with British sovereignty while Islam wipes it out.
George Vrable says
BAH HUMBUG!
England Invaded says
It’s one of many reasons which makes ending them the only option.
somehistory says
“Earlier that year, a terrorist carried out an attack on Westminster Bridge, killing five, an Islamophobic van driver killed a Muslim man outside Finsbury Park Mosque, and a suicide bomber took 22 lives at Manchester Arena after an Ariana Grande concert.”
The only time a *mozlum* is identified is when it (sic) was a victim. And the victims of the **murderous mozlums** are not identified. The report can say mozlum when it’s the victim, but not when it’s the “terrorist,” and the “suicide bomber.”
Evidently, the van driver was not *afraid* of mozlums as the report implies with the ‘phobic’ label.
The judge and the police in this case, know who is in control in their country. And it isn’t the average Brit.
Freddie says
That is the way Muslims operate in every country. Muslims love their truck of piece(s). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLbyfinPuvM
Tony says
Muslims seek to impose Islamic Law, Sharia, to legally stop criticism of Islam and to defend Islam’s Muslims for their terrorism, violence, and discrimination as taught in Islam’s Quran. Islam is totalitarian, supremacist, and hateful towards all Non-Muslims.
Like a Foreign Terrorist Organization(FTO) as designated by the USA Secretary of State, Islam is a MUSLIM TERRORIST ORGANIZATION against Non-Muslims and NOT A PEACEFUL RELIGION UNDER WESTERN LAWS(Quran 2:216; 4:95; 8:12,39,74; 9:5,29,41,49, 21:921; 88,111,123;21:92; 49:15 and more). More specifically, Islam is a Muslim Terrorist Ideology and Criminal Organization of continuous war, discrimination, segregation, supremacy, genocide, polygamy, deceit, hatred, incitement, sedition, rape, terrorism, and violence against all Non-Muslims as taught in the Quran. Fundamentally, Islam funds, teaches, and promotes a Terrorist Criminal Enterprise with Muslims as Terrorists for Allah. The FRUIT of Islam is incessant WAR, terrorism, discrimination, and violence against all Non-Muslims; this FACT must be taught and broadcast to the general public to prohibit Islam, its Mosques, and its Schools. Also, Islam is an Antichrist System terrorizing Israel, Christians, and Non-Muslims. Plus, there is NO EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW in Islam or in Islamic Law(Quran 98:6-7; 9:29 and more). In Sahih Bukhari(V6,B60,N80), Abu Huraira narrates, “‘You(Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised for mankind.’ means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them[Non-Muslims] with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam[see Quran 3:110].” See also Quran 3:22,151; 69:30-32; 98:6.
Non-Muslims CANNOT have peace with Islam and its Muslims because Islam and its murderous god, Allah, demand a continuous, Muslim war against unbelievers where Non-Muslims are CRIMINALS under Islam when Allah in Qur’an 8:39 says, “And engage in war with them[Non-Muslims] until there will not be sedition and the religion will be completely to Allah…” HENCE, NON-MUSLIMS MUST MAKE ISLAM, ITS MOSQUES, ITS SCHOOLS, ITS ORGANIZATIONS, ETC. ILLEGAL UNDER THE LAW. Similarly, Islam and its many Organizations must be identified and publicly declared to be MUSLIM TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS for their funding, teaching, and support of terrorism, violence, and discrimination against Non-Muslims(eg. Quran 9:5,29,111 and more).
Western Muslims seek to ensure Islam’s legitimacy against Non-Muslim societies, to impose Islamic Law in Western Legal Systems, and to advance Islam’s totalitarian goals. Consequently, Islam promotes a limitless, terroristic, Muslim war against unbelievers when Allah in Qur’an 49:15 says, “Surely the believers are only those who believed in Allah and his messenger. They do not doubt, and they performed JIHAD with THEIR MONEY AND THEIR LIVES for the sake of Allah. Those are the truthful.”
Deceitful Allah promises Heavenly Paradise to Muslims for acts of Muslim killing in a terrorist attacks against Non-Muslims and hypocrites when Quran 9:111 says, “Surely Allah has purchased from the believers[Muslims] their souls and their money so that they may have the garden[Heavenly Paradise]. They engage in war for the sake of Allah, so they kill and are killed…”
Tony Rice says
Gotta defend dem Islamists, after all, THEY are in charge and need to be held high above us
Walter Sieruk says
A Christian preacher being arrested and jailed for holding up a sign what only has the truth printed on it is an affront to free speech in what is supposed to be a free country is outrageous and outright wrong.
This is terrible . This is also another example of the infiltration and influence of the stealth jihadists Muslims in the government of the United Kingdom. This should also serve an example to citizens of other Western nations to be aware informed knowledgeable about the insidious sway those Muslims with their stealth jihad can have to the extent of severely limiting the right of freedom of speech.
RightStuff says
Brits are scared. It’s over for them.
Eddie says
Yes OK .
But not all of us are scared.
And many of us are determined not to go under without a fight.
Even if we don’t have guns.
And if it wasn’t for President Trump it could have “been over” for the USA too.
James Lincoln says
Eddie says,
“And if it wasn’t for President Trump it could have “been over” for the USA too.”
Yes.
Pres. Trump dodged a bullet – and so did the United States of America.
C says
Wow yet another smug useless and I’ll considered comment. I’m British yes I am scared. It would be irrational not to be scared at this juncture. It’s over not just for Britain but for the Western world unless something very major happens. I hope Trump is that catalyst for deep profound change but I don’t think he is. I don’t think he can the damage is too severe and long standing. Oligarchical system has developed from your Republic and our democracies and has degenerated even from that low state to tyranny. The monetary system is utterly debased and corrupt and debt is king. This debt has become so overwhelming an instrument of control it is signalling the end of cycle i.e Americas ‘dollar empire” so I would if I were you take your smuggery elsewhere. I really hope for the best for the USA , it really is the last hope of Western civilisation but it does not provide very much hope.
John Silvis says
“If freedom of speech means anything as all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” George Orwell (a Brit). If Great Britian does not support the most basic of human rights they are our enemy, NOT our friend. Why fight Russia, Iran, Pakistan, China, Venezuela,, etc., when our friends are tyrant states? If Britian does not act as a rational freedom loving country and enact a fir right amendment rights –we must fight this oppression with every thing we got Erasmus said “Who allows oppression share in the crimes.” What they do is oppression and against everything we stand for. Britian has become an oppressor and supporter of blatant hate, not a keeper of peace. Thank God we got rid of this wacko ignoramus ideology with our American Revolution.
James Lincoln says
John Silvis says,
“If Great Britian does not support the most basic of human rights they are our enemy, NOT our friend.”
The UK has not totally fallen – yet.
US still needs to support up-and-coming conservative leaders to gain control from the current UK’s leftist / globalist / islam-loving “leaders”.
DRLJR says
The first thing people need to learn is that ISLAM is NOT a religion. It is a theocracy, a government with a religious component. It is rooted in violence and depravity. The god (allah – al ilah) of Islam is the moon god Hubal, who is chief god of a pantheon of 360 gods, goddesses, and spirits. People should read the Qur’an. The ISBN of a translation of the Qur’an with the Arabic and English is 978-0-913321-01-0. Keep in mind the books of the Qur’an are ordered longest shortest, not in the order written. The war Mohammad started in Arabia in the 600s has not stopped.
Peter WF says
Is Mr Justice Sweeting looking forward to Sharia?
David M says
Yes.
gravenimage says
The misnamed “Sweeting” seems to be here to make sure it arrives as quickly as possible…
Lady of the Lake says
What about the Judeo critical passages within the Koran? What is the legal rationale used to say they are not the same sort of illegal hate speech as the preachers signage?
gravenimage says
UK: Court rules that Christian preacher was lawfully arrested and jailed for holding Islamocritical sign
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So, Mr. Sleeper was detained because if he used his lawful freedom of speech then Muslims *would harm him and others*. *How sick is this*?
David M says
Yes.
Eddie says
This appears to be an absolutely ludicrous decision by a so called Judge once again to protect Islam
It would be useful to know what specific Public Order offence under British Law he was arrested.
1. In terms of a defence :
Section 29 J Public Order Act 1986 protects freedom of expression in relation to religious belief. In addition to the discussion, criticism of expression of dislike and the protection.for people urging others to change their belief, there is specific PROTECTION for language or conduct which RIDICULES, INSULTS or ABUSES either a religion or religious practices.
This concept of this is that it is OK to criticise the Religion but not to channel hate against its followers.
I cannot see that Mr Sleeper with his signs did anything unlawful.
2. Police in Britain have powers to arrest where a Breach of the Peace is likely to occur. The essential eliminate for this is that ” harm” is happening or likely to happen to a person – and the person arrested should be ithe one that is being violent or threatening violence.
Mr Sleeper was not violent.
A “Breach of the Peace” arrest is a common law power which is a preventative measure and is not something that is a criminal offence and the person arrested must be released as soon as possible after the incident is over – or taken before a court which can impose on him the requirement to be of good behaviour for a period in the future
3. A British Police officer has not right to prevent the lawful conduct of a citizen except where that conduct interferes with the lawful rights of others which could provoke them to violence.
It is however those that threaten that violence that should be targeted by police.
I can’t see how Mr Sleeper was lawfully arrested and detained in the first place and how the Judge could justify his decision.
James Lincoln says
Eddie,
Your input regarding what is actually happening on the ground in the UK is absolutely invaluable.
Seems like a “breach of the peace” is enforced at the discretion of the British police – but never against muslims.
Michael Lee howellmike153@gmail.com says
If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions, and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.
— 1 Timothy 6:3-5and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
— 1 John 4:3
Noah Andeark says
Now the Brits want to extradite and charge Americans for violating their lack of speech laws.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fMXFQ2L9i8s