Taleb is, of course, Taleb Abdulmohsen, the Christmas Market jihad mass murderer in Magdeburg, Germany. As he claims continue to circulate that he was “anti-Islam,” and even incited (somehow) to murder Christians by critics of Islam, here is more testimony from someone who knew him.
Ich sage es nochmal: Viele Menschen, die mit Taleb Kontakt hatten, sprechen ihm wie ich auch ab, jemals Atheist oder ex-Muslim gewesen zu sein.
Er behauptete selbst, er sei Wahhabit. Er hatte offen Kontakte zu Hamas Leuten, sowie auch zu Anhängern der IS.
Er bedrohte…
— Ali Utlu (@AliCologne) December 21, 2024
Translation:
I will say it again: Many people who have had contact with Taleb, like me, deny that he was ever an atheist or ex-Muslim.
He himself claimed to be a Wahhabi. He openly had contacts with Hamas people as well as with IS supporters.
He threatened ex-Muslim and secular associations, as well as refugee women from Saudi Arabia who had renounced Islam. The association and the women took legal action against him. He attacked the Central Council of Ex-Muslims as well as me as a member. All major critics of Islam blocked Taleb because everyone was receiving confusing messages and threats.
He never directly criticized Islam or its associations. While we protested in front of mosques, he fought against us. He also repeatedly defended Saudi Arabia. For what?
Dozens of victims are currently sharing screenshots of conversations where he threatened the people because they are ex-Muslims.
In a video he talks about how “the left invented Islamism to wipe out Muslims.” No critic of Islam would write such nonsense.
We organized ex-Muslims say openly that he practiced taqiyya. If someone was as Islamophobic as he is, wouldn’t he try to kill Muslims in an attack instead of Christians at a Christmas market?
But the question of questions is: Why did the authorities not react to him, even though some people pointed out that he wanted to kill Germans? Why did they allow this attack to happen?
࿗Infidel࿘ says
He claimed to be Wahabi? I saw another report that said that he was shi’a, and followed shi”a clerics like Ayatollah Sistani of Iraq. Since Iran has been focusing shi’a outrage against Israel, rather than against sunnis, he was very supportive of Hamas, and once he got to Germany, he got to carry out all his plans against other infidels
His action makes a strong case for Saudi Arabia being on the list of travel ban countries when Trump returns to office next month
PMK says
Robert’s article in PJ Media showed a tweet from an Iranian-German entrepreneur that said this guy was a Shi’a. He could have claimed he was Wahhabi in order to avoid trouble in Saudi Arabia. How many Saudis practice Shi’a Islam without fear of persecution?
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Him being shi’a might also explain the taquiyya, which his sunni counterparts haven’t used as often
Jeppe says
That’s what I have always understood, that takki-a is shia. Maybe that’s why he left Saudi Arabia, which is sunny territory.
Aishas Goat says
Lying is commanded in Sunni Jurisprudence or Sharia.
Reliance of the traveller – Tawriya kitman muruna tawriya
Shariah is the Islamic Talmud. Quran is only the cliff notes of shariah
Quran (16:106) – Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Muslim to tell a lie.
Quran (3:28) – This verse instructs believers not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to “guard themselves” against danger, meaning that there are times when a Muslim may appear friendly to non-Muslims, even though they should not feel friendly. “ Lying is our religion and the religion of our forefathers, without lies our religion dies” , “ We smile in their face while our hearts curse them” kathir and Jalalayn
Quran (9:3) – “…Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters…” The dissolution of oaths, Ibn Kathir vol 4, p 49)
Quran (66:2) – “Allah has already ordained for you the dissolution of your oaths (Presumably, whatever advances the cause of Islam would qualify as ‘doing good’).
Quran (40:28) – A man is introduced as a believer, but one who had to “hide his faith” among those who are not believers.
Quran (2:225) – “Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts” (see also 5:89)
Quran (3:54) – “And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.” If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)
Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that in most circumstances a Muslim may be “compelled” to deceive others for a greater purpose, jihad terror or spreading Islam into homes of all mankind
gravenimage says
True–lying for Islam is *not* speifically a Shia practice. The “Prophet” Muhammed affirmed that you could lie to a victim to get close enough to kill him.
abu taleb says
I once said to some Saudian Shias that the Saudi government oppressed the Shaia people. They were quite surprised and said “I didn’t say that”. So they did not disagree with me but too scared to acknowledge it.
JustJim says
They did not respond for their fear of being labeled Islamophobic. Such is their irrational thought, that putting appearances of acceptance of the invaders, is more important than the safety and security of their selves, family, neighbors, and Country. Shame on their weakness and capitulation! Not worthy of representing their constituents. Grow some ballz!
InfidelLover says
One wonders if Taleb Abdulmohsen’s anti-Islam rants were one massive taqiyya over time for gaining acceptance in Germany and also leaving possible jihad on the back burner
David M says
This looks like the new Muslim terrorist playbook. A few months before your planned attack just post some social media comments denouncing Islam, do the attack, then have the Lame Stream Media proudly announce: “this was not an Islamic attack, he was against Islam.”
somehistory says
Yes, he managed to murder many, injury many more, and make ex-mozlums look bad.
gravenimage says
All grimly true, Somehistory–I’n sure smearing ex-Muslims was a big plus for this vicious Jihadist.
Wellington says
The MSM dearly wants us to believe this murderer is anti-Islam but the MSM has no credibility left and thus I will assume this is just more fake news. Considering all the fake news the MSM has peddled in recent years—the Steele Dossier being real, the Hunter Biden laptop being Russian disinformation, Biden had just a stutter and was sharp as a knife, Covid came from a wet market and not the lab next door, Israel has engaged in genocide, Trump is a fascist, etc.—I regularly assume the opposite of what the MSM avers until independent verification has occurred. As here.
E T says
Safe and Effective
James Lincoln says
Yes, this is more fake news, Wellington.
gravenimage says
+1
somehistory says
mozlums lie. Never trust a mozlum to be truthful unless he is threatening to rape and/or murder.
If he was truly against islam, he would not have targeted a Christmas market.
There have been times when a murderer pretends to be Christian, or supposedly was Christian, raided Christian, etc. and after committing the murders, the media shouts about Christianity as if.
But murder goes against what Christians would do and what is commanded by Christ.
Looking at this mass murderer, it’s clear that he was not doing something that mozlums wouldn’t do and trying make islam look bad.
islam teaches, commands hatred, lies, rape and murder. This scum, this mozlum ghoul, was being obedient to his master, satan.
somehistory says
“raised” not raided and “trying to make”…..
Tim gallagher says
I thought along the same lines as you, somehistory, that an attack on a Christmas market is almost certainly something a Muslim would do. Could be some other type of scumbag but that would be unlikely. Hopefully attacks like this will, finally, wake up more people and get them to get tough with islam. Wherever they go Muslims are not worth all the trouble and barbarity they bring. Merry Christmas to you from very hot Australia.
somehistory says
Thank you, Tim.
Yes, I found that when studying terrorists, as a general rule, they have a specific reason for their attacks.
Many are political….they want government change, and really that is the definition of terrorism; an attack on the public in order to force a policy change in government.
A few have done it for personal reasons, vengeance, etc.
mozlums are the ones who target people of other religions…churches, synagogues and Christmas markets, Santa Claus, etc.
A terrorist of some other stripe would have his own reasons, not necessarily a religious one.
And no, mozlums are not worth the trouble they cause; not by half.
Thank you for the Merry Christmas wish. The same to you from a cool USA. I hope the summer heat is treating you well.
Tim hallagher says
I agree with everything you say there, somehistory. I hope you are well and it is not too cold. I am going ok. We really have been hit by some very hot weather lately.
somehistory says
Thank you, Tim.
I do fairly well in cold weather. With lupus, I run a fever just about all of the time, day and night. Before I developed it, my temp was considered below normal, so when I had a fever, everyone knew it.
With lupus, the opposite is true; my temp is usually a couple of degrees higher than before…more like normal for others. But for me, it means I’m hot all of the time. I can go out in the cold in short sleeves when everyone else has on a coat or jacket. It has to be really cold for me to need that.
Two of my kids have commented on the heat they can feel when they are near me.
I hope the very hot isn’t too much for you. One day, I’d like to visit there.
One of the women who works with my daughter, gave her a gift which came from your country. It’s some kind of little doggy, a cuddle buddy, which has something she is to put in a microwave (which we no longer have), heat it and place it back. It’s a cute little thing.
I hope you continue doing well.
Tim gallagher says
Glad to hear that, despite your lupus, you are going ok, somehistory. Australia certainly has some very beautiful aspects
. Sydney Harbour is very beautiful. Many very beautiful beaches out here as well. When I read about France, the UK, Germany, Spain, etc, I think, well, I am glad o visited those countries years ago because the Muslim invasion has wrecked them. I think Australia faces the same fate. It is going downhill rapidly because of the Muslim invasion here though not as quickly as western Europe I would say.
somehistory says
Thank you very much, Tim.
And for the local information.
I’ve seen photos, but the real thing is usually so much more.
The U.S. has some beautiful spots beaches, mountains, forests, etc.. There are many pretty beaches in Florida, and islands around the state, too.
Someday, islam will not exist. I can wait and visit your country then.
Tim gallagher says
Somehistory, ages ago, in 1982, I travelled to the USA and then on to Europe. In the USA I visited San Francisco, grand canyon, Las Vegas, went to Mexico, then visited Boston, also Maine where I stayed with the family of an American friend, then New York. I also remember visiting Yosemite national park. As you say some beautiful scenery. One of my sister’s had a job in San Francisco back then so I visited her in one of those beautiful timber houses there.
somehistory says
Tim, I was living in Texas when you were visiting. Not so many crazies in country then.
I’m glad you were able to visit and see so many nice places. Some of the most beautiful are in the South….like Alabama and Kentucky. Perhaps some day…I expect big things when evil is no more.
Tim gallagher says
Thanks for information about places to see in the USA. Lots of people my age do a lot of travelling, but I think my overseas travelling days are done. I think you would enjoy Australia although, with lupus, maybe many parts of it might be too hot. Also the sun out here is ferocious, we are the skin cancer capital of the world. But I love the cloudless blue skies and bright sunshine.
RCCA says
This makes more sense and clears up the confusion about Taleb “the anti-Islam activist” who pretended to help ex-Muslims. His social media was a smokescreen, his beard so to speak. In the West we are familiar with public figures who were officially “anti-gay” and voted against gay rights while at the same time were leading secret gay lives themselves. That is understandable considering social pressures at the time, but this character in Germany really had no reason I have seen to maintain a fake identity, other than perhaps it initially helped him professionally. So there he is bad mouthing the Islamists and and building his identity around that and Germany keeps allowing more and more to come in. That may have infuriated him. I wonder what actually happened that made him have a psychotic break and have to come out, so to speak, and announce his true identity?
Too bad the authorities didn’t take the reports on him seriously. Was this due to a distrust of women and a failure of imagination, perhaps?
RCCA says
In a query to perplexity I asked if Germany has been tolerant of radical Islamic imams lately, and the answer was that Germany has been cracking down:
Germany has not been tolerant of radical Islamic imams recently. The German government has taken several actions to counter extremist Islamic influences:
In July 2024, Germany banned the Islamic Center Hamburg (IZH) and its suborganizations for promoting “an Islamist-extremist, totalitarian ideology” and supporting Hezbollah29.
German authorities have been monitoring and taking action against Salafist movements, with the number of Salafist mosques increasing from 30 to 55 in North Rhine-Westphalia alone by 20161.
The government has banned several Islamic organizations with alleged links to extremism, including the Berliner Fussilet-Moscheeverein and the Deutschsprachige Islamkreis Hildesheim in 20171.
German security services have been actively monitoring and countering the growth of extremist Islamic ideologies, with the Salafist movement growing from 3,800 members in 2011 to 10,300 in September 20171.
The country has been working on developing a “homegrown, moderate, European Islam” by training imams in Germany to better understand and address local societal needs4.
These actions demonstrate Germany’s proactive approach in countering radical Islamic influences and promoting a more moderate form of Islam within the country.
libertyORdeath says
What better way to lure in apostates while simultaneously fooling the German government?
His jihad will cleanse his sins of apostasy and rape. Seems like the perfect example of stealth jihad.
Those poor people. May God grant them everlasting peace.
Tgobth says
Islamists masquerading as non-Muslims and committing terror attacks is nothing new to those who know about the 2000 Church bombings of South India. This series of bombings was committed by Pakistan Muslims masquerading as Hindus.
This is how Koenraad Elst described it:
This game of blaming the Hindus for the suffering of Christians was so successful that it inspired a third party to try its own hand at it. A series of bomb attacks against churches in South India did take place, wounding some worshipers. It was duly blamed on the Hindutva forces, but the perpetrators turned out to be a Pak-based Muslim organization, the Deendar Anjuman.
Please note the chain of guilt here: the Islamic terrorists are of course responsible for their own acts, but they would not have committed these but for the encouragement given to them by the secularists. After all, the latter had proven that any unpleasant incident can successfully be blamed on the Hindus, and that the blame could not be washed off by any amount of official refutation, which would remain under-reported while the original allegation would go on being repeated. This way, the secularists have blood on their hands, viz. the blood of the Christian victims of these Islamic bomb attacks.
gravenimage says
Yes–especially ugly.
James Lincoln says
So, muslims have painted themselves into a corner:
If they claim to be apostates, they need to very actively demonstrate that they ARE legitimate apostates by very publicly denouncing islam…
Otherwise, they may be lying…
WPM says
Deport him to Saudi Arabia to face rape charges they will publicly chop his head off in the public square .Start deporting all fake “refugees ‘ you know the ones who vacation in the land they left because they where “oppressed”.
gravenimage says
Agreed, James.
Falsafa says
couldn’t squeeze out a juicy anti muslim story out if this one eh Mr Spencer?! did the zionist Saudi murderer not fit your narrative?
gravenimage says
I see the appalling “Falsafa” is back–how *dare* Infidels object to being murdered by pious Muslims mascarading as ex-Muslims? Bad dhimmis!
Mike says
False-apple: he wasn’t a Zionist. He was a Shia extremist who was against Sunni Muslims. He was also practicing taqiyya by claiming to be an ex-Muslim, an Islamophobe and an atheist.
If he really had been an ex-Muslim, then why would he have driven a vehicle through a Christmas market, rather than attacking a mosque or a pro-Palestinian rally (which would had had some non-Muslim Left-wingers, but mostly Muslims)?
gravenimage says
‘Many people who have had contact with Taleb, like me, deny that he was ever an atheist or ex-Muslim’
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Yes–but how many people re paying attention to this?
jus wundrin says
Sad how easily the MSM guzzles the taqiyya in order to find the pacifist Muslims.