Don’t believe those trying to sell it as an Israeli victory.
In the six months since terrorist supporters successfully branded their campaign to save the Hamas terrorist group as a ‘ceasefire’, the term was embraced by state governments, the Biden-Harris administration and now a growing number of American Jewish liberal groups.
Even formerly pro-Israel figures and organizations are trying to sell the idea of saving Hamas and leaving it in control of Gaza as the right thing to do and even a ‘victory’ for Israel.
Depicting an Israeli surrender to Hamas in which the Jewish State retreats from Gaza, trades thousands of terrorists for perhaps a dozen hostages, and billions in international aid pour into the coffers of Hamas while Yahya Sinwar holds a parade as a ‘victory’ takes a lot of chutzpah.
Chutzpah and utterly delusional thinking are sadly not lacking.
Some in Israel are willing to trade anything, including national survival, in exchange for the slim chance of getting some hostages back. American liberal Jewish organizations are focused on electing Kamala Harris and are willing to trade Israel for Dearborn, Michigan’s votes to do it. And the same breed of establishment hacks in Israel responsible for Oct 7 are selling the same security snake oil and making the same false promises that they have for the last 30 years.
Writing in Foreign Affairs magazine, retired Israeli Gen. Amos Yadlin, a Labor Party figure who had backed the Iran Deal, and Graham Allison, a Clinton defense official, claimed that, “A Cease-Fire Deal Now Would Be a Victory for Israel”. Yadlin and Allison blamed Netanyahu for failing to accept “a historic strategic victory for Israel” by surrendering to Hamas.
According to the two men, all of “Israel’s 13 previous prime ministers” would have also surrendered to Hamas and Israel’s negotiating team “would have accepted the terms of any of the deals that have emerged from the last three rounds of negotiations.” Why even quibble?
“At this point, what more is Netanyahu waiting for?” Yadlin and Allison demanded, before falsely claiming that the only reason there’s no deal is Netanyahu’s political ambitions.
What is Netanyahu waiting for? The same thing that FDR was waiting for in 1943.
“No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory,” Roosevelt declared after Pearl Harbor.
“Our terms to Italy are still the same as our terms to Germany and Japan – unconditional surrender,” FDR then vowed in 1943. “We have taken the initiative, and we’re not going to let go of it. We shall not settle for less than total victory.”
The D.C. political establishment and chunks of the Israeli one mock the idea of “total victory”.
Echoing the familiar Foggy Bottom meme, the op-ed dismisses that as “an elusive ‘total victory’. But that’s the thing about victory, it’s hard to come by, yet there’s nothing ambiguous about it. Actual victory, not a defeat dressed up in victory drag, is what actually ends wars and secures peace.
The proposal that Israel declare a worthless “mission accomplished” victory and surrender to Hamas is more of the same “mowing the lawn” philosophy that led to Oct 7. Hamas will regroup, rebuild and rearm, and attack again under the shield of whatever worthless deal is signed.
But it’s even worse than that.
Hamas is not looking to make a deal. An entire network of D.C. and Israeli officials, media and activists have taken to lying about it. Instead, Hamas is using the hostages as leverage to tear apart Israel and destroy its will to fight. The leftists rioting in Tel Aviv demanding a deal, any deal, and the op-ed, are all examples that show it’s working. Key security establishment figures like Yadlin have taken to foreign media to argue that the problem is Israel, not Hamas.
Just like Arafat, Hamas has scuttled every deal while directing the blame at Israel. Murdered hostages and selectively released videos are strategically calculated to further divide Israel.
The prospect of a deal has become the best weapon wielded by Hamas,.its Qatari and Iranian backers, and its political allies from D.C. to Dearborn. The reality of any deal is that Hamas is not offering to free all the hostages. All it will propose is the release of some hostages in exchange for thousands of Hamas terrorists, including the perpetrators of Oct 7, and an Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, and then extended negotiations that will twist the knife deeper.
Hamas will celebrate its victory, reclaim control over Gaza, and retain many of the hostages, while Israeli protesters clash with the government demanding complete appeasement in the hopes that Hamas will release the remaining hostages. That’s what a deal with Hamas means.
After turning the Democrat leadership of Michigan, California and Illinois into its personal lobby, followed by the media and the D.C. political class, Hamas has also captured a chunk of the Israeli and American Jewish liberal political establishment which now use its talking points.
Israeli security types offer the same worthless assurances that they did during the Oslo accords (“if a Palestinian autonomous territory engages in terror, the accords give us the right to shut it down”), the withdrawal from Lebanon (“we can go back in anytime”), the destruction of the Jewish communities from Gaza (“this way we’ll able to strike wherever we want to”) and recognizing Hamas autonomy over Gaza (“we have Iron Dome and we’ll build a wall.)
The promises that Israel will be able to go into Gaza once it withdraws after the first stage of a deal are agreed on are equally worthless. Once a deal is underway, it becomes a bear trap that Israel will not be able to escape until the next Hamas attack is underway. Just like Oct 7.
The same D.C. security assurances did not allow Israel to dismantle Arafat’s terror statelet, did not allow Israel to defeat Hamas on any previous rounds, will not allow Israel to go back into Gaza in full force, only an occasional airstrike that takes it back to the same ‘mowing the lawn’ strategy as before Oct 7. Once Israel withdraws from Gaza, there will be no reason not to allow in the billions in foreign aid that will rearm and enrich Hamas even more than before Oct 7.
The remaining hostages will become leverage and may never be released. And without Israeli operational control over Gaza, the odds of finding and rescuing them will drop catastrophically.
Hamas will emerge from Oct 7 victorious. It will have demonstrated that it could carry out a devastating attack, survive a year of fighting, and reclaim control over Gaza. It will win the acclaim of the Arab Muslim colonists in Gaza and the West Bank, and of the Muslim world. Hamas will have demonstrated that just like the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Iraq, it could wear down and defeat a non-Muslim power, and be on a pathway to creating an Islamic state.
And Israel will emerge from Oct 7 defeated. There will be bodies to bury and crushed morale after the recognition that the Islamic terrorists had accomplished their goals and we did not. Israel will be a divided country in the throes of a circular firing squad as Hamas rejoices. Soldiers will ask themselves why their friends and family members died for no reason.
As the election continues, Israel has a window of opportunity to finish off Hamas. Once the election is done, and especially if Kamala wins, Israel will face a partial arms embargo. The new administration will hold out unilateral recognition of a ‘Palestinian state’ that will include Hamas as leverage. By then, Iran may have a nuclear weapon, and Israel will have more worthless security assurances from D.C. which will be limited to providing purely defensive weapons.
And Israel will be in the worst position it has been in since before the Six Day War.
The Iranian coalition is mounting its campaign to shield the race to a nuclear bomb. Israel has few good options to stop the bomb, resettle the north and destroy Hamas, but it has one very bad option and that is a deal with Islamic terrorists.
American Jews and Israelis are being lied to by a corrupt and feckless establishment that is willing to make any promise in exchange for an end to the war. Those promises are all false. They lied when they claimed that previous deals with the terrorists came with U.S. security guarantees and assurances that would allow Israel to deal with them at any time. They’re lying now when they promise that Israel will be allowed to go back into Gaza and attack Hezbollah.
And most of all the same people who did not see Oct 7 coming are lying when they claim that it can never happen again. It can and will until Islamic terrorist groups are driven out of Israel.
Returning to the same twilight zone of deterrence, occasional air strikes, a week or two of fighting after a major attack followed by another ceasefire, is how things got so bad.
Oct 7 showed that Hamas had a bigger vision. Israel’s establishment still does not.
Hamas is fighting to destroy Israel, and kill or drive out all the Jews. What is Israel fighting for?
A few security guarantees, temporary deterrence, a negotiated release of hostages, and then business as usual? If Israel is fighting for business as usual, then it’s setting the stage for the next Oct 7. And that attack will, like all the previous ones, will be worse and more devastating..
Netanyahu’s call for total victory is the closest thing to a vision for something more than management or appeasement any Israeli prime minister has articulated in a generation.
The alternative to total victory is defeat. A deal will mean Israel’s moral and strategic defeat. It will advance the Hamas vision of the end of Israel much closer. And those advocating for a deal at any cost, dividing and undermining Israel in a time of war, are bringing on Israel’s destruction.
Walter Sieruk says
To have “Deal with Hamas” is exactly just like making “Deal with the Devil.” To even attempt to have a worthwhile meaningful “truce” with the jihadist heads of Hamas is extreme folly and foolishness.
Those treacherous liars who are the top dogs of Hamas are literally spiritual sons of Satan.
Therefore, any kind of a so called “ceasefire” that the jihadist chiefs of the murderous jihad entity, Hamas, would agree for would be a hoax . Meaning nothing but a false and fake truce.
The reason why this is so is because such a “ceasefire” would really be agreed to in order to allow Hamas to restore its loses by using that for Iran to resupply it with deadly weapons provided to it by Iran.
The jihadists of Hamas would only keep the terms of a ceasefire only as long as it would site them and no longer .Then those Muslim terrorists of Hamas will then break the “truce” and then launch more jihad missile attacks murdering the peaceful civilians of the State of Israel.
Likewise, the Hamas jihadists would again sneak into Israel from Gaza and hand held weapons of death and inflect murderous jihad massacres on the Jewish people of Israel.
Mike says
No deal with Islamofascist terrorists!
Wellington says
A la Ulysses S Grant, unconditional surrender—no other option should be considered.
somehistory says
What would Joshua do?
What would Judge Samson do?
What would Judge Ehud do?
Many may never have read about this Judge. Setting the scene:
” Getting the Ammonites and Amalekites to join him, Eglon came and attacked Israel, and they took possession of the City of Palms.[a] 14 The Israelites were subject to Eglon king of Moab for eighteen years
15 Again the Israelites cried out to the Lord, and he gave them a deliverer—Ehud, a left-.handed man, the son of Gera the Benjamite. The Israelites sent him with tribute to Eglon king of Moab. 16 Now Ehud had made a double-edged sword about a cubit[b] long, which he strapped to his right thigh under his clothing. 17 He presented the tribute to Eglon king of Moab, who was a very fat man. 18 After Ehud had presented the tribute, he sent on their way those who had carried it. 19 But on reaching the stone images near Gilgal he himself went back to Eglon and said, “Your Majesty, I have a secret message for you.”
The king said to his attendants, “Leave us!” And they all left.
20 Ehud then approached him while he was sitting alone in the upper room of his palace[c] and said, “I have a message from God for you.” As the king rose from his seat, 21 Ehud reached with his left hand, drew the sword from his right thigh and plunged it into the king’s belly. 22 Even the handle sank in after the blade, and his bowels discharged. Ehud did not pull the sword out, and the fat closed in over it. 23 Then Ehud went out to the porch[d]; he shut the doors of the upper room behind him and locked them.
24 After he had gone, the servants came and found the doors of the upper room locked. They said, “He must be relieving himself in the inner room of the palace.” 25 They waited to the point of embarrassment, but when he did not open the doors of the room, they took a key and unlocked them. There they saw their lord fallen to the floor, dead.”
What would King David do? He fought tooth and nail for Israel. Like Judge Ehud, he would not give in and make a deal with sons of satan.
What would King Jehu do? He had Jezebel thrown from her window onto the street.
mozlums are as bad, as evil, as any ancient enemy of the Nation of Israel. They only respond to the same kind of Justice as was meted out to the ancient evil people.
Hudders. says
Great spiritual comment @SH. The Holy Ghost moved you them for real.
‘He who suppeth with the devil, needeth a long spoon.’ 15 century proverb.
Those who deal against Israel deal with the very enemy of God Himself.
Despite the disgusting betrayals of the US, UK & other so called supporters of Israel & enemies surround them like an infestation of hellish locusts; If Israel stands firm & trusts the Almighty Lord, He will surely see them prevail against the islamic evil that seeks to destroy them.
For He is faithful.
Consider Job, his trials & tribulations.
JOB 1:10 KJV
‘Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.’
Blessed Israel has a hedge of protection around it. God will never allow it to be wiped from the face of the earth. For He is faithful & loves Israel.
Consider ZECARIAH 2:8 KJV
‘For the Lord of armies says this: “After glory He has sent me against the nations that plunder you, for the one who touches you, touches the apple of His eye.’
Phil 4:4 ‘Rejoice in the Lord alway, again I say rejoice.’ KJV
Yes let us rejoice, for we know that Israel shall be protected for God does not lie & so let us consider David’s awesome song of victory….,
2 SAMUEL 22 KJV
47’The Lord liveth; and blessed be my rock; and exalted be the God of the rock of my salvation.
48 It is God that avengeth me, and that bringeth down the people under me.
49 And that bringeth me forth from mine enemies: thou also hast lifted me up on high above them that rose up against me: thou hast delivered me from the violent man.
50 Therefore I will give thanks unto thee, O Lord, among the heathen, and I will sing praises unto thy name.
51 He is the tower of salvation for his king: and sheweth mercy to his anointed, unto David, and to his seed for evermore.
Amen.
Hallelujah!! It will be much more thatn mobile pagers removing their rape kits that face the enemies of Israel that’s for sure. We can take that to the spiritual bank!
I for one can’t wait to see it.
somehistory says
Thank you very much, Hudders.
And I appreciate the Scriptural quotes and encouragement. Sometimes, it seems like forever that I have been waiting to see Judgment on the evil, the wicked and the elimination of their works.
Hallelujah for sure. Praise Jehovah for keeping His promises and comforting those in need.
Hudders. says
Me too @SH
The heart warming, joy igniting truth is that, God’s timing is perfect & we are encouraged not to worry.
ACTS 1:11 KJV
‘Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.’
Matthew 25:13 KJV – Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Matthew 24:27 KJV – For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
The signs are certainly there though regarding the end times that’s for sure, though only The Father in heaven knows the hour, but let us keep ready in faith & hope, ever rejoicing in His faithful mercy that ‘endureth forever.’
Matthew 24:44 KJV – Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Though the wicked prosper & it seems to be the days of Noah all over again, we know who wins, because scripture promises us. John 17:17 ‘Thy word is truth.’
1 Thessalonians 5:1-3
‘But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.’
Hallelujah indeed @SH Keep rejoicing as His children wait for that Trumpet to blast.!
A little chorus for you my friend;
‘I’m getting ready in the later rain.
Ready for Jesus, He’s coming back again.
I have my wedding garments, praise His name,
I am getting ready in the latter rain.’
Maranatha. Even so, come Lord Jesus.
somehistory says
“PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) -U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Kamala Harris called on Tuesday for an end to the Israel-Gaza war and said that Israel must not reoccupy the Palestinian enclave once the nearly year-old conflict comes to an end
Speaking in Philadelphia to the National Association of Black Journalists, she called for a ceasefire between Israel and Palestinian Hamas militants, a two-state solution and Middle East stability in a way that does not empower Iran.
“We’ve made ourselves very clear this deal needs to get done in the best interest of everyone in the region,”
I would ask, “who died and made you queen of Israel?” How would any such “deal” affect her? She has no part in it, so she should just say she has no idea and then go quietly into the night.
gravenimage says
A Deal With Hamas Means Israel’s Defeat
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Grimly true–this a) recognizes terrorist group Hamas as the leaders of Gaza, and b) means that Hamas will be back murdering Israelis as soon as they can manage it.
Kosh's Shadow says
I agree Israel should not make a deal with Hamas (other than full surrender to trials for war crimes), but I do not think a deal means Israel’s defeat (in the long term).
It just means there will be at least one more Oct 7. Maybe by then Trump will give Israel the support it needs.
Walter Sieruk says
It’s impossible to have legitimate down to earth negotiations with those very disingenuous and outright liars who are those fiendish to dogs of Hamas As already stated above they will only keep their promises regarding a keeping a “ceasefire” only as long as it will suit them and no lounger.
Unknown guy says
By seeing this war for past 1 year, it is pretty clear that hamas cannot be defeated neither militarily nor ideologically. Only thing that can be achieved is reducing their military capabilities ( Israel already has achieved this) and prevent such jihadist forces from coming back to power. My feeling is Israel should try to make some sort of a deal with hamas to release their hostages.This would not mean a defeat for Israel.
Kosh's Shadow says
If Hamas remains in power, there will be Oct 7ths over and over again.
Ideologically, Hamas won’t be defeated, but just like the ideology that ruled Germany in the 1930’s-1945, the remaining adherents cannot have any real power.
Unknown guy says
That is what I said, hamas cannot remain in power. Israel should prevent any such jihadists to come back to power in future. As for hamas, since it is so entrenched with the gazan civilians it is impossible to defeat them physically. On the ideological side, Israel has not even tried to counter them. By looking at all these scenarios, it is better to go for a deal with hamas and get back the hostages.
JDow says
I tell every person I meet who is into this peace at any price deal to get the hostages that THEY will have to stand and face the next collection of loved ones of hostages taken by Hamas the next time. I ask them, “What will you say, what will you do, to justify your leaving Hamas in existence to come around and try again?” There is no “if” here. There is only “when.”
I know some of them will mutter to themselves, “They are only Jews.” For them I hold a special level of contempt.
{^_^}
OLD GUY says
Hamas is a cancer that if not eradicated will return.
James says
I say to the brave pepople of Israel “Say yolur prayers & pass the ammunition”.
Give them peace from the front end of your rifles.
HTT says
There will never be an Israelis defeat. Hamas need to give up now before they are “literally” extinguished.
dumbledoresarmy says
In other news. The accursed UN General Assembly has just spinelessly voted to DEMAND that Judea and Samaria – the so-called ‘west bank’, ONLY renamed that by the haters of Israel AFTER Israel took back the area that the Bible calls “the mountains of Israel” in self-defensive warfare in 1967 – be rendered pristinely Judenrein and that this vital military high ground be handed over to the mohammedans so that, one day, the antisemites of the world may rejoice at many hideous repetitions of the sadistic slaughter of Jews on 7 October 2023.
They have demanded that Israel be forced back within what were dubbed “the lines of Auschwitz”.
One wonders how many of those – and not only those who are mohammedans – who sit in that accursed Assembly have secretly watched the footage of the atrocities of October 7 2023 .. not to deplore it, not to weep over it, but to gleefully exult over it. I wonder whether Guterres and that witch Francesca Albanese sit in their living rooms and salivate ecstatically over footage of muslim sadists raping-and-murdering beautiful Jewish girls….and dream of being able to watch more, much more of the same.
And when this hideous resolution – this demand that THE historic biblical heartland of the Jewish people, be made Judenrein, and returned to the irredentist mohammedan imperialists who already rule – and RUIN – vast swaths of the ‘middle east’, Africa, central Asia and Asia – was passed: my own country Australia, to its eternal SHAME, spinelessly ‘abstained’ rather than screwing up its courage and standing with those few brave nations – notably, Czechia, a blessing upon them! may they be blessed eternally – that stood up and voted a resounding NO.