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A Conversation From Hell

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Mary Wakefield is an English journalist and the submissions editor of The Spectator. Recently she was having breakfast with her son at a place in Hackney, east London, when she began to eavesdrop on three Gen-Zers sitting at a table nearby. Here’s just a bit of her report: “No one will change their mind about Hamas,” by Mary Wakefield, The Spectator, September 7, 2024:

There were two women in shorts, one with the Palestinian flag on her T-shirt, and a blond man with breasts, a neat moustache and a tote bag from the Museum of the Palestinian People in Washington, DC. The three friends had met at Oxford University, I later learned, and were now academics.

She heard them talking about Israel.

One of the young woman said she was “Israeli by birth. She had been brought up there, she said, and had recently returned for a friend’s family wedding during which an awful thing had happened. The awful thing had caused several of her friends to vow never to return, and to break from their families completely. What could the thing be? I leaned closer. What had happened, it turned out, was during the wedding after-party, on the instruction of some of the older guests, the band had played the Israeli national anthem. That was it. That was all.”

The three friends shook their heads in disgust. The national anthem! But the young Israeli woman looked sad. She said: ‘I know. And, like, how can they go back? But I was thinking it must be hard for my friends also. It would be hard never to go back to the place you kind of belonged to. I know it’s Israel but it’s still home.”

The epicene tertium quid wasn’t sympathetic:

The blond wasn’t having any of it. He folded his arms and looked coldly at her. ‘Israel is literally a fascist state. Literally criminal. What’s hard about it?”

The first quickly pulled her hands away and began to recant. ‘Oh yeah, no. It’s criminal. I mean, Israel soon won’t exist at all and that’s great.’

Not content with the prospect of the disappearance of the “fascist state of Israel” — no word was said about what would happen to that country’s Jews — the three GenZ-ers turned to the topic of “how very naive older people are about not just the [Gaza] war, but about the world in general and especially about Islam.” One of the women said: “It’s so Gen X to think Islamic terrorism is a threat.” Everyone concurred: “I mean, they think Isis has geopolitical ambitions! So naive. They’re all brainwashed by TV and podcasts.” Podcasts!

‘Yeah, they think Isis literally want to build a caliphate that runs from Damascus to Paris or something.’ Much relieved laughter. ‘It’s so wild!’ They laughed.”

And Mary Wakefield then thought of the Yazidi girls who had been enslaved, raped, and murdered by ISIS, and of how, in ISIS-held Raqqa, “the blond would have been thrown to his death from the top of the punishment tower.”

Everyone was ‘naive’, according to these three armchair revolutionaries. When they are not teaching, during vacations they “meet up for protest marches around the world.”

One of their universities didn’t ‘get it’ either. While it had recently appointed a trans professor to some new gender studies course, the friends agreed that this only made things worse. A man they’d met on an anti-police march in DC was particularly naive because he campaigned against mothers being imprisoned. ‘He still thinks it’s important to keep families together!’ Cue more anxious-sounding laughter. ‘So cute!’

The friends talked on about all the people who didn’t ‘get it.’.. .Some dismal bollocks about the need to overturn the West, break the code and subvert norms. But I worried about the poor boys and girls who are due to arrive this week in their seminar rooms, and about the proud parents who have no idea that all their nurturing and chivvying has come to this.

These three vapid musketeers – more in the Disney than the Dumas line — were not only looking forward to the imminent destruction of Israel, that “fascist state,” but these two dozy bints and their quasi-male companion, Oxford graduates the lot of them, want to “overturn the West.” Will they pull down the dreaming spires of Oxford first? Or possibly blow up the Houses of Parliament? And that ambition to destroy Israel and the West is what they’ll be sharing with their innocent and soon-to-be brainwashed charges, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed students who haven’t a clue as to what’s in store for them. Did someone mention the decline of the West? Yes, I just did.

Comments

  1. Steer far away from these types, buy as much rifle and pistol as you can handle, and become proficient with them. Get 1000 rounds of anmmo for each of them. And become part of a militia that can organize on an hour’s notice. Buy provisions that can feed you and your family for a year, and you’l be set for when the SHTF.

  2. After my Sunday afternoon of getting multiple wasp stings, I needed some comic relief. I found a movie of which I had never heard, read the description provided and sat back to watch.

    It was a sci-fi spoof of the old horror movies of the 50’s called, “The Lost Skeleton of Cadavra.”
    Description ‘A bad scientist and his wife, a mad scientist, a skeleton, and two aliens and their escaped pet are all searching for the elusive element “atmospherium”.’
    It was so silly, and funny and really enjoyable.

    And after reading the article above, it now makes a heck-of-a-lot of sense compared to the *real* people overheard in the conversation.

    A handbasket is no longer sufficient for the numbers of people and their complete and utter insanity.
    I believe these three are scared to death that the “podcasts” are right, so they choose to deny rather than try to figure out what to do.

  3. I am from Stoke Newington now part of Hackney, we have the first black woman MP Diane Abbott. Hackney has been gentrified, yet one of the biggest Jewish populations is in Hackney, Stamford Hill. Champagne Socialist, have no idea Israel is fighting not just for their right to exist but also for ours.

  4. It’s all so depressing. I’m glad I am old and won’t be alive anymore when the shit really hits the fan. Which it will from the looks of things

    • Sayyyyy Whattttt 🤔
      There’s Soooo Muchhhh You can do, fir whatever time you have left.
      Giving Support to like minded group’s, remember it’s Numbers of people n their Voices that counts.
      Run for local offices n school boards.
      Do not give Support to these universities that are woke in nature. There are those conservatives that donate, stop your donations to the University, that supports Freedom and Free Speech.
      We must Never Give Up, read up on History, So you can Challenge their bs.
      Sadly, We lost Journalists who challenged the lies from government officials n billionaires who desires a one world government; in which they let the radicals cul the masses for now, The radicals are their proxy, again, for now..
      As PRESIDENT DONALD J TRUMP Stated; Fight Fight Fight
      MAY GOD BLESS US ALL ALWAYS 🙏 ❤️

    • You and me both Amy, put I fear for my children, grand children and Great grandchildren. They are going to have to fight for their lives and the society we live in and created.

  5. I am convinced that the Z in Gen Z stands for zombie.

    Bob Hope in 1940 on zombies;

    “you see them sometimes walking around blindly with dead eyes, following orders, not knowing what they do, not caring.”

  6. A Conversation From Hell
    ………………………………..

    Yes, indeed–and yet, how common is this? And all the more so since these vicious fools are all teachers.

    The bit about ISIS is especially chilling–these are people who think that everything is political, including whether yoy take cloth bags to the supermarket and where–or if–you buy a cup of coffee on the way to work, yet they don’t think that there is anything political abut setting up your own state?

    And what kind of state did ISIS set up? Even most who understood little or nothing about Islam and the Caliphate generally understood that the Islamic State was committing geocide against the Yezidi and was using them as sex slaves. But apparently these fine young educators are OK with this, and in fact sneer at the “naivite” of those who have a problem with this.

    Again, just chilling.

  7. ‘Epicene tertium quid’: I love it! For the first time, Mr. Fitzgerald, I’m really impressed. I actually had to look it up and that’s reallly rare!

    • I’ve had to look up few of Hugh FItzgerald’s usages–otherwise a rare occurance with me.

  8. Thanks for the article. One of the Deans at

    Columbia was let go for a similar comment.

  9. Reading this article I was reminded of the young white American girl on a Campus being asked what she thought of President Donald Trump…. She screamed her reply…” Because hes a Capitalist ”…
    She stood there with her Smart Phone in one hand and her Starbucks Cup in her other hand and all I could think of was…
    Ya cant fix that kind of stupid..

  10. Dear Hugh Fitzgerald: everything you write is a cornucopia of driving insight but, even if that were not the case, I would still have to read on because I’m always looking for that perfect, quintessential turn of phrase that I know will be there, somewhere—some word or words that will heal the wounds inflicted on my writerly soul by the increasingly slovenly use of the English language. But today you have outdone yourself: “The epicene tertium quid…” I am miserably ill with cancer and you made me howl with laughter as I haven’t in a year. Please never stop gifting us this way. As to the conversation under analysis, it’s staggering to think that the ancient and venerable institute of learning which housed and nurtured such intellectual and moral giants as C.S. Lewis could so foully splat itself in such a relatively short span of years. A deeply sobering tale.

    • I’m sorry to read about your serious health issue. I pray your body can defeat it, as good defeats the evil we see around us. Hang in there. Laughter is very beneficial to good health.

      • Thank you, somehistory. You’re right, one way or another evil will be defeated. I always appreciate your comments.

        • Thank you, Gospel Day. I’ll be looking for more comments from you. We all need encouragement and that’s one reason I come here. To give if I can, and receive from others.

    • Gospel Day,

      Very sorry to hear about your health problems.

      Hope that you and your doctors can “beat them” for a full and speedy recovery.

      God bless.

  11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

  12. “‘Yeah, they think Isis literally want to build a caliphate that runs from Damascus to Paris or something.’ Much relieved laughter. ‘It’s so wild!’ They laughed.”

    There’s no resistance at the top to such a project, so there is no reason why it can’t happen. And not just to Paris, either, but beyond.

    And have they thought about what will replace the West when it’s gone?

    But whether Muslims have the goal of dominating Europe or not, they are still the enemies of people like these three.

  13. I retired long ago from UCLA, having worked primarily in the School of Medicine as a department administrator. I learned early on that if the Jewish doctors and scientists all took a day off, the School would be empty of its primary achievers. One needs only to compare the achievements of the Jews in science and technology to those of their Muslim neighbors to see who has benefited humanity the most, and by a whopping margin. As a group, the Jews probably have done more for humanity than any other ethnic group, I cannot imagine what fuels the tortured minds of their detractors.

  14. “The blond wasn’t having any of it. He folded his arms and looked coldly at her. ‘Israel is literally a fascist state. Literally criminal.”

    And Hamas is an Islamo-fascist state. Literally criminal.

  15. Going along with what Bob Hope said a long time ago, and to which, Wellington posted a link….

    a democrat wanting to be re-elected, made up a social media thingy to ‘target himself’ so he could get sympathy. And he’s another “first poc” to be elected something, blah, blah.

    “Texas Official Accused of Making Fake Online Posts to Influence Election”

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-official-accused-of-making-fake-online-posts-to-influence-election/ar-AA1rklWr?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=36d53f73972f471fb6406e083dd066b5&ei=21

    • somehistory,

      Some politicians most often nothing in order to hold onto power.

      This one happens to be a Democrat…

      • Yes, James, and he should know better….he’s a “judge.” Judges are not allowed by law even to say for whom they will vote; guess he just wants so badly to win, he crossed the line. into election fraud.

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