Timur Kamaev is no “extremist.” The Qur’an teaches that men are superior to women and should beat those from whom they “fear disobedience”: “Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.” — Qur’an 4:34
Muhammad’s child bride, Aisha, says in a hadith that Muhammad “struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: ‘Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?’” — Sahih Muslim 2127
Another hadith states: “Rifa`a divorced his wife whereupon `AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. `Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah’s Messenger came, Aisha said, ‘I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!’” — Sahih Bukhari 7.77.5825
Note the lie of “Islamic psychologist and sexologist Khava Shaidullina”: “The Prophet [Muhammad] never beat [his wives] or approved of physical violence in the family.” See the hadith above about Aisha. It has now been whitewashed online, but what it says above is a faithful representation of the Arabic. That hadith also contradicts Kamaev’s nonsense below about the miswak.
“Prominent Russian Muslim Cleric Gets Into Hot Water Over ‘Wife-Beating Guidance,'” Moscow Times, July 18, 2024 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
Timur Kamaev, a prominent Imam from Russia’s republic of Tatarstan, found himself at the center of a nationwide scandal this week after releasing a video in which he appears to instruct believers on the proper ways to beat one’s wife.
Released on Monday as a part of the Tea With Hazrat podcast series, the original video has since been removed by its publisher — but this has done little to dispel the heated debate that spilled far beyond Russia’s Muslim community.
The Moscow Times has gathered everything you need to know about the controversy.
Who is Timur Kamaev?
Kamaev, 30, is one of the most high-profile Muslim clerics in Russia and the head of the Irek Mosque located in the heart of Tatarstan’s capital Kazan….
In the latest episode of Tea With Hazrat, Kamaev aimed to address the question of how believers should interpret the 34th verse in the fourth chapter of the Quran, which speaks on how a man should deal with disloyalty on the part of his wife.
“You should always start with admonition, that is, try to explain to your wife why she is in the wrong. You should always speak to her beautifully and wisely,” said Kamaev.
Next, according to Kamaev, a disobedient wife can be punished by sleeping in separate beds.
“In extraordinary cases,” said Kamaev, “The āyah [verse] suggests beating.”
Beatings, according to the Imam, will allow the woman “to understand that she is doing something wrong” and can be done using a miswak, a teeth-cleaning twig made from the wood of the Salvadora persica tree.
“Gently hit the wife with the miswak a couple of times — but work the arm only from the elbow down, not the entire shoulder joint — with small blows,” said Kamaev.
“The point [of beating] is not to injure the person, not to leave bruises, but to gently say ‘stop, you are doing something wrong, your husband is already unhappy, he already reached the point when he is raising his hand’,” Kamaev continued. “But here we must understand that the terms ‘beating’ and ‘beating up’ mean different things.”
How are people reacting?
“The Prophet [Muhammad] never beat [his wives] or approved of physical violence in the family. I do not think that [beating someone] is acceptable in families and relationships,” prominent Islamic psychologist and sexologist Khava Shaidullina told the Kazan Online news outlet, adding that she believes the verse in question advises the husband to grant his wife a divorce instead of beating her….
Tatar-Inform deleted the video from YouTube following widespread public backlash and followed up with a statement issued on Tuesday morning saying that Kamaev’s words had been “taken out of context” by the media….
Of course!
mike says
Muslims need good woman who would beat the ever living snot of the men
To an inch of there lives
the men need to have a dose of there own medicine
C says
How about we just stop Islamification and uphold the Rule of Law here in West. I am sick to the back teeth of Islamic adherents having kid gloves applied judicially. No tiered policing thank you.
gravenimage says
Agreed, C. We need to enforce our own civilized laws.
Hoi Polloi says
‘Wife-Beating Guidance,’ is the term used by Moscow Times. Not travesty, not illegality, immorality, evil, or any other more fitting description. How much of the world’s press is in league with islam to excuse and obscure what it actually is?
gravenimage says
+1
rick says
Sick culture = sick religion
somehistory says
The covered woman from the other article, the one claiming “equality,” needs to listen to the ghoul.
How many women are protesting this? Probably only those who come here and comment.
This mozlum thug will get what’s coming to him; maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon.
James Lincoln says
Crickets from Western so-called feminists.
C says
Actually crickets from everyone don’t forget males have mothers, sisters , daughters etc let’s hear more from them standing up for women. You’re comment betrays a smug disdain for women. Im very suspicious of people (there are many who unimaginatively say exactly what you said) who say souch with so very very little
James Lincoln says
C says,
“You’re comment betrays a smug disdain for women.”
That is certainly NOT what I meant to convey.
I certainly highly support REAL feminists – like Kari Lake, Harriet Hageman, etc.
Totally FAKE feminists – not so much.
Hoi Polloi says
We get it, JL, as we’re aware of your posts in support of women. It’s hardly as though their track record on this issue allows Western Feminists to avoid any, or even all, criticism.
James Lincoln says
Thanks somehistory and Hoi Polloi!
somehistory says
You are welcome, James.
gravenimage says
+1 Hoi Polloi and Somhistory.
Hoi Polloi says
Thanks, graven, and of course you’re welcome, JL.
somehistory says
Perhaps it would do you well to go back to some previous threads where Dr. Lincoln has expressed his feelings about how islam treats…mistreats….women and then you would have a better understanding of his comment above; which you clearly did not understand.
Hoi Polloi says
I agree, James. It’s so easy for feminists to fight against those who create societies where women have rights, but I’ve yet to see them engage in a real fight against forces like these. Or even acknowledge them. They lost credibility with me, and then they put Linda Sarsour at the front of their march.
somehistory says
Your comment makes me think of some …perhaps weird…scenarios.
A group is fighting some kind of monster…or maybe a hill of termites…and one woman is standing aside, watching.
After all of the monsters…or termites…are dead, the lone woman jumps to engage against a small termite, nearly dead, and stomps it as if she is the lone heroin
Those women like the ones following sarsour…aoc, etc….are not ready nor willing, to take on the real misogynists. They only “fight” men who don’t wish to be wimpy, but who will not ‘hit a woman.”..
Hoi Polloi says
True. I recently read of writer Alice Munro’s refusal to defend her daughter against her husband’s sexual assaults of the girl, his stepdaughter. His behavior began when the daughter was 9.
“She said that she had been ‘told too late,’ she loved him too much, and that our misogynistic culture was to blame if I expected her to deny her own needs, sacrifice for her children, and make up for the failings of men,” Skinner wrote of her mom.
She was adamant that whatever had happened was between me and my stepfather. It had nothing to do with her.
At one point during the saga, Fremlin [Munro’s 2nd husband and this daughter’s stepfather] told Munro he’d kill Skinner [Munro’s daughter] if she ever talked to the cops and wrote a series of letters that blamed her for the abuse, the daughter said.”
Culture was to blame, she said. She was ahead of her time.
somehistory says
That’s disgusting. Makes me wanna’ wring the foul creatures’ necks as my mama once wrung the necks of chickens.
The *mother in name only* and the scumbucket she married, deserve each other; and so much more for their evil.
gravenimage says
I had never heard this about Alice Munro–I’ve read some of her work and quite liked it–*just horrifying*.
I wish I could say I am completely shocked, though–but as a woman who was repeatedly abused by my mother’s boyfriend when I was eight, I know that this horror is not that uncommon.
somehistory says
Many males will seek out young, or middle-aged women with small children and feign interest in the woman in order to get to the child.
Single, divorced or widowed women with children need to be extra careful when choosing a new companion.
Hoi Polloi says
I’m sorry to hear about that abuse, Graven. It’s tragic that children are ever abused in this way.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Hoi Polloi. Mothers are supposed to try and protect their children–but this is not always the case.
And Somehistory wrote:
Many males will seek out young, or middle-aged women with small children and feign interest in the woman in order to get to the child.
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This is grimly common, Somehistory. That seems to have been the case in my situation, and I have seen this up close several times since.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Imam Timur probably used a Yusuf Ali translation of the qur’an, and read a lot of muslim apologetics, where he read the word “lightly” and using the “miswak”. Result was a novel new technique of how to beat one’s wife
I’m surprised that Tatar-Inform cracked down on him, & spun his words as being “out of context”. In a way, it was, since the qur’an says nothing about “lightly” or “miswak”
abu taleb says
Islamists are either liars or evil people, or both.
bobby says
It does reduce domestic violence since it’s sanctioned by the Quran, so maybe learning how to beat your wife and sharia law does have positive aspects for men….unfortunately I can’t understand why a woman would want to be a muslim.
C says
What a strange comment, so are we implicitly to understand then you can understand why a man might want to be a Muslim?
somehistory says
c
The mozlum male makes all of the females in his family afraid of him, of displeasing him in the slightest way because he will rape and beat them at will.
If the wife and daughters are afraid of him, they also won’t report him and in a mozlum-ruined country, a report would just be a punishment for the women reporting their husbands.
Remember, a woman raped must produce four males to tell it did happen or she can be murdered.
This is a “benefit” to the males because then they do as they please without fear of punishment.
That is why, even in nations like the U.K., France and Germany, mozlums murder their wives if they get angry; esp is this so if the woman wants a divorce. And they know the law is against such, but they put the book of demon filth above all laws.
Hoi Polloi says
C,
He’s clearly being sarcastic. Muslims regularly brag about their peaceful, problem-free religion and make the claim their virulent misogyny is actually a shining beacon of women’s rights. Legal sanction for beating women results in no domestic violence reports. And I am also amazed at the number of women who defend islam.
gravenimage says
I’m sure bobby was being sarcastic.
Ricolina says
I have not understood this either from the feminist! American female protester for Palestinians and Hammas have no conception what it means to be married to a Muslim and lose their rights nor do the gays understand the consequences of being gay under Sharia law.
gravenimage says
Russia: Muslim cleric offers wife-beating guidance, says Qur’an ‘suggests beating’ of disobedient women
Timur Kamaev is no “extremist.”
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No, indeed–this is perfectly Islamic.
And Russia seems fine wth this, as well. And why not? Russia recently struck down laws protecting women from domestic abuse.
“Putin approves legal change that decriminalises some domestic violence”
Critics say amendment sends wrong message in country where it is estimated domestic abuse kills a woman every 40 minutes
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/07/putin-approves-change-to-law-decriminalising-domestic-violence
More:
Note the lie of “Islamic psychologist and sexologist Khava Shaidullina”: “The Prophet [Muhammad] never beat [his wives] or approved of physical violence in the family.”
Of course this is a lie.
More:
That hadith also contradicts Kamaev’s nonsense below about the miswak.
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Firstly, no text of Islam says that Muslims can only beat their wives with a miswak.
Then, the miswak itself is not as benign as most Infidels likely think. It is not a “toothbrush”, but a stick that Muslims chew for something vaguely approximating dental health. These are sold in marketplaces uncut as long ropelike affairs–being flogged with one of these things could do a great deal of damage.
And finally, as noted, none of this savagery was” taken of context”–the usual absurd apologia.
Scotsman48 says
The silence of Western feminists is deafening to my ears while they all seem to be against Israel a country that has female Fighter Pilots but they support the thugs that raped them.
Planet Earth has shifted slightly off its Axis.