I’d be curious to know titles of Bollywood movies about Islam mentioned in the conversations, and if any are available with subtitles.
Interesting conversation.
࿗Infidel࿘says
Not quite Bollywood, which is a muslim-centric industry dominated by muslims & secular Hindus. The movies they were referring to were a few independently produced movies over the last couple of years – “The Kashmir Files” last year, more recently followed by “The Kerala Story”. The one they referred to here was “72 Hoorein” (translated to “72 virgins”), which has been an 11 year project that finally got released last Friday
I believe that outside India, they are available w/ subtitles. Not sure about the 72 whores movie
Walter Sieruksays
Near the beginning of this video discussion ,Robert Spencer was right on the mark when he said that “Europe had not learned its lessons about jihad and refuses to examine the teachings of Islam”
Likewise, the other scholar on Islam ,Brigitte Gabriel ,has expounded how many Westerners are gaining knowledge about Islam and its jihad in her book entitled BECAUSE THEY HATE when she wrote ” The West in ignorant and refuses to learn.”
Later, in the Mr. Spencer had spoken about here in America and that if those in this discussion would walk out of that video studio and ask the different people they would meet on the street “What to you of Islam ? ” Most if not all of those people would make replies that would reveal their ignorance about the religion of Islam.
This is a sad reality ,that how many Westerner are. As for Westerners who are Christians . For example, at my home church , the pastor informed me about a former Muslim and Hezbollah member who is now a Christian is speaking on Saturday at a lecture hall about Islam ,only eight miles from my home church So I asked him “Did you tell anyone else in his church about this ?” He answered me “No, because all the other people in this church just aren’t interested in learning about Islam.”
By contrast, the next month there was a baseball game , on a Saturday at a stadium on a about 60 miles from that church and the church was bus filled up with Christians who were very interested in going to watch that game.
This is terrible.
Raymond F Bullocksays
Robert Spencer has been a hero for courageously reporting the facts about Islam. His books are vital reading.
Violetsays
Hear Hear!!
Walter Sieruksays
In this video discussion Robert Spencer did mention of the few heads of Europeans nations who do know about the outlandishly dangerous and terrible teachings of Islam , but they don’t really believe that Muslims actually take those Islamic doctrines seriously ..
The reason for this Mr.Spencer explained is because those leaders of the countries of Europe don’t take their own religion seriously
That’s very foolish of them. It’s even somewhat,similar to what the late scholar, and author Walter Martin , on American cults. such as Scientology and much older religious cults that are still around in this century.. In one of his lecture he said that many Christians have a problem when discovering about the bizarre doctrines of those cults , a number of Christians say ” I just can’t believe that the people who are members of those cult actually believe in such absurd teachings. ”
Mr. Martin when on to explain that those Christians are making a mistake thinking like that .
The same this applies to those few European state officials who know the awful and deadly doctrines of Islam but feel that Muslims don’t really believe such teachings .
The jihadists, both stealth and violent will contunie to make progress in their goals with Europeans heads of State such a them in Office.
.
࿗Infidel࿘says
The biggest problem a lot of people have is that they project their own attitudes about their own faiths onto muslims, and assume that muslims have the same relaxed attitudes about islam! Aside from being dangerous, it’s ignorant. One of the biggest fallacies that’s accepted as conventional wisdom is that all religions are the same, or at least similar. When in fact, no two religions are the same, otherwise one would have been the other. One can’t construct an Excel sheet & list a linear difference b/w the faiths: there would be a lot of blanks all over the place
It’s why we need to see muslims like they see themselves and us, and act accordingly. Unfortunately, except Burma & Sri Lanka, I don’t see anyone doing that
James Lincolnsays
࿗Infidel࿘ says,
“The biggest problem a lot of people have is that they project their own attitudes about their own faiths onto muslims, and assume that muslims have the same relaxed attitudes about islam!”
“JUDGEMENT DAY ! Islam, Israel and the Nations” This Book written By Dave Hunt in 2005 …If only more people would have paid attention…….but maybe it’s still NOT to late to learn, by the Grace and Mercy of the LORD GOD…Yeshua/Jesus Amen
Aumsays
Valuable exchange of views – appreciated.
I have learnt a lot from Robert’s work and colleagues.
Hitler was a socialist as the NAZI party means National Socialist, so for the left to cry about nationalism is simply absurd. Also, people should never forget that Stalin killed more Jews than Hitler.
RGsays
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Gwen Miller says
I’d be curious to know titles of Bollywood movies about Islam mentioned in the conversations, and if any are available with subtitles.
Interesting conversation.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Not quite Bollywood, which is a muslim-centric industry dominated by muslims & secular Hindus. The movies they were referring to were a few independently produced movies over the last couple of years – “The Kashmir Files” last year, more recently followed by “The Kerala Story”. The one they referred to here was “72 Hoorein” (translated to “72 virgins”), which has been an 11 year project that finally got released last Friday
I believe that outside India, they are available w/ subtitles. Not sure about the 72 whores movie
Walter Sieruk says
Near the beginning of this video discussion ,Robert Spencer was right on the mark when he said that “Europe had not learned its lessons about jihad and refuses to examine the teachings of Islam”
Likewise, the other scholar on Islam ,Brigitte Gabriel ,has expounded how many Westerners are gaining knowledge about Islam and its jihad in her book entitled BECAUSE THEY HATE when she wrote ” The West in ignorant and refuses to learn.”
Later, in the Mr. Spencer had spoken about here in America and that if those in this discussion would walk out of that video studio and ask the different people they would meet on the street “What to you of Islam ? ” Most if not all of those people would make replies that would reveal their ignorance about the religion of Islam.
This is a sad reality ,that how many Westerner are. As for Westerners who are Christians . For example, at my home church , the pastor informed me about a former Muslim and Hezbollah member who is now a Christian is speaking on Saturday at a lecture hall about Islam ,only eight miles from my home church So I asked him “Did you tell anyone else in his church about this ?” He answered me “No, because all the other people in this church just aren’t interested in learning about Islam.”
By contrast, the next month there was a baseball game , on a Saturday at a stadium on a about 60 miles from that church and the church was bus filled up with Christians who were very interested in going to watch that game.
This is terrible.
Raymond F Bullock says
Robert Spencer has been a hero for courageously reporting the facts about Islam. His books are vital reading.
Violet says
Hear Hear!!
Walter Sieruk says
In this video discussion Robert Spencer did mention of the few heads of Europeans nations who do know about the outlandishly dangerous and terrible teachings of Islam , but they don’t really believe that Muslims actually take those Islamic doctrines seriously ..
The reason for this Mr.Spencer explained is because those leaders of the countries of Europe don’t take their own religion seriously
That’s very foolish of them. It’s even somewhat,similar to what the late scholar, and author Walter Martin , on American cults. such as Scientology and much older religious cults that are still around in this century.. In one of his lecture he said that many Christians have a problem when discovering about the bizarre doctrines of those cults , a number of Christians say ” I just can’t believe that the people who are members of those cult actually believe in such absurd teachings. ”
Mr. Martin when on to explain that those Christians are making a mistake thinking like that .
The same this applies to those few European state officials who know the awful and deadly doctrines of Islam but feel that Muslims don’t really believe such teachings .
The jihadists, both stealth and violent will contunie to make progress in their goals with Europeans heads of State such a them in Office.
.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
The biggest problem a lot of people have is that they project their own attitudes about their own faiths onto muslims, and assume that muslims have the same relaxed attitudes about islam! Aside from being dangerous, it’s ignorant. One of the biggest fallacies that’s accepted as conventional wisdom is that all religions are the same, or at least similar. When in fact, no two religions are the same, otherwise one would have been the other. One can’t construct an Excel sheet & list a linear difference b/w the faiths: there would be a lot of blanks all over the place
It’s why we need to see muslims like they see themselves and us, and act accordingly. Unfortunately, except Burma & Sri Lanka, I don’t see anyone doing that
James Lincoln says
࿗Infidel࿘ says,
“The biggest problem a lot of people have is that they project their own attitudes about their own faiths onto muslims, and assume that muslims have the same relaxed attitudes about islam!”
Precisely!
gloria j leese says
“JUDGEMENT DAY ! Islam, Israel and the Nations” This Book written By Dave Hunt in 2005 …If only more people would have paid attention…….but maybe it’s still NOT to late to learn, by the Grace and Mercy of the LORD GOD…Yeshua/Jesus Amen
Aum says
Valuable exchange of views – appreciated.
I have learnt a lot from Robert’s work and colleagues.
Good to see Indian conversation is continuing.
Ray Jarman says
Hitler was a socialist as the NAZI party means National Socialist, so for the left to cry about nationalism is simply absurd. Also, people should never forget that Stalin killed more Jews than Hitler.
RG says
Excellent! Shared on Twitter!