A Georgetown University panel admits that imperialism and conquest are inherently violent.
“If you are looking for a Golden Age, talk to the people that have the gold. For the rest of the people, it’s probably not that golden,” said University of Colorado-Boulder religious studies professor Brian Aivars Catlos.
Along with other panelists, Catlos’ discussion of medieval Muslim society in the Mediterranean during a recent webinar offered some remarkably serious critique—along with the usual platitudes—which was much in contrast to the usual glorification of alleged Islamic tolerance and pluralism.
With his coauthors, Catlos discussed his new book The Sea in the Middle: The Mediterranean World, 650-1650. The host for “Integrating European and Islamic History in the Medieval Mediterranean” was Georgetown University’s Prince Alwaleed bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding (ACMCU). This Saudi-sponsored entity, along with its director, John L. Esposito, who moderated, usually engages in incessant Islamist apologetics.
“Two things you won’t find in our book are moralizing and nostalgia. We tried to present things, warts and all. No one gets a free pass. This isn’t a book that looks back to some Golden Age of intercommunal harmony,” Catlos said in a refreshing change from ACMCU’s usual pablum.
“There is a constant background of violence to all history,” he added, and agreed with his fellow panelist, University of Toronto history professor Mark Meyerson, about illiberality in the era’s Muslim and Christian societies.
“Structures of discrimination and segregation … are part of the package of premodern diversity in the Mediterranean,” he noted. Yet “minority communities or their leaders are actually advocates of these structures” at times “as the only way of preserving themselves. It is very difficult to apply a sort of modern moral perspective.”
Nonetheless, Meyerson engaged in some of the usual apologetics. Concerning religious restrictions on minority communities, he spoke of “how often [such restrictions] were not observed” and promoted the common falsehood that the dhimma status placed on non-Muslims was a form of security rather than subjugation.
University of Notre Dame history professor Thomas Burman also tried to accentuate the positive, stating that peaceful interaction among Christians, Jews and Muslims was “often more persistent than the violence.” Nevertheless, “people did try to convince each other to convert from one faith to another” and “did shout at each other in moments of religious tension and got into active violence.” He concluded that the period demonstrates “that, in fact, unlike what many people in the modern world on various sides would say, Christians, Muslims and Jews can in fact live side-by-side with a relatively high amount of peace for long periods of time.”
Over generations, Burman claimed, this mutual respect “made possible this massive transference of ideas and technologies from one part of the Mediterranean to the other.” Thus, “people were perfectly willing to put off their religious identities in order to learn how to do things like make paper.” This technology “traveled all across the Mediterranean, learned at first by Muslim artisans from Buddhist artisans in the Far East part of the Islamic world.”
Catlos also tried to describe a “constant multivalent, polyvalent process of communication that knits together the Christian, the Islamic and Jewish worlds of the Mediterranean.” For example, there were “Latin scholastics binging on Ibn Rushd” or Averroes (1126-1198), a famed philosopher from Muslim Spain often credited with reawakening Western appreciation for the ancient Greek thinker Aristotle. The Italian poet Dante (1265-1321) in his Divine Comedy depicted Islam’s prophet Muhammad in hell, but regarding Ibn Rushd, Dante “can’t bring himself to put the guy in hell, even though he is a Muslim.”
Complicated interactions occurred between Christians and Muslims in the real world as well, Catlos noted. During the Crusades, the Christian “Kingdom of Jerusalem, for example, was in a codependent relationship with Damascus,” a Muslim city-state. Christian and Muslim states also formed alliances against Byzantium or neighboring powers.
Other comments gave historical perspective on the book’s thesis of fruitful interfaith interaction between Islam, Christendom and Jews. “Many of the Arabic texts and technologies that Latin Christians acquired from Muslims were through conquest,” Meyerson noted, suggesting alternative, less peaceful ways of civilizational advancement.
Burman said he was surprised that educated people have the impression that historic Christian-Muslim relations were violent. Yet he himself wondered if the “great story of religious transformation in many ways in the medieval period is this massive conversion to Islam that happens relatively slowly at first and then with greater speed later on.” Might the pressures of oppressive, theocratic sharia law imposed by Muslim conquerors have something to do with this elimination of Christianity in its historic heartlands?
Indeed, many recent studies have debunked the oft-told tale that Judeo-Christian civilization benefited from its encounter with Islam. Imperial conquests are fundamentally violent, and the seventh- and eighth-century Islamic conquests were no exception, inflicting enormous damage on the Christian communities surrounding the Mediterranean. In fact, the spread of Greek texts in Renaissance Europe was facilitated by Greek-speaking refugees who fled Constantinople after its 1453 fall to Ottoman Muslim conquerors.
While the panel ultimately affirmed some traditional tropes about backward Christians benefitting from Muslim subjugation, the moments of critical realism were noteworthy for an ACMCU event. Perhaps academics are beginning to understand the superficiality of Manichean fairy tales. As Catlos said about the “multivalent, polyvalent process of communication,” ignorance of complex perspectives means “you’re fighting against the sources.” Such skepticism towards prevailing historiography is long overdue in Middle East studies. If this miracle of open-mindedness can occur at ACMCU, anything is possible.
Andrew E. Harrod, a Middle East Forum Campus Watch Fellow, freelance researcher and writer, is a fellow at the Lawfare Project. Follow him on Twitter @AEHarrod. This article is cross-posted from JNS.org with his permission.
somehistory says
Very interesting. Here and there, a few nuggets of Truth are getting out.
On a radio program I had on for the birds…literally…as I was leaving, this guy with a very heavy foreign accent, was saying that mozlums in America don’t have many non-mozlum friends; and went on to say how Christians should seek to befriend mozlums.
We all here could clue him in if he proved willing to listen; but I doubt that he would be willing. It’s all the fault of Christians that mozlums can’t get along and do not have Christian friends.
I wanted to tell him, “mozlums don’t want Christian friends.” They would rather slice and dice the necks, just as the past.
BTeboe says
Doesn’t the Qur’an forbid Muslims from making friends with non-believers? So no this is not a Christian problem. And it’s one of the reasons this barbaric ideology has been around since the 7th Century. That and if you try to leave Islam there is Fatwah placed on your head.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Somehistory and BTeboe–few Muslims want to be friends with Christians or any other Infidels, as this is Haram.
gravenimage says
Academics miraculously criticize the ‘Golden Age’ myth of Muslim empire
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This *is* surprising–glad to see this truth telling. Hope they do not get smeared as “Islamophobes”.
Keith O says
Had a similar thought GI, I wonder how long it will take for the peasants to be out with the pitch forks and torches trying to burn them for attacking the sacred cow of Islam?
gravenimage says
Sadly quite likely, Keith.
alexreid says
The ‘Golden Age’ was simply by conquest & acquiring foreign knowledge.. If they were so “Scientific”, why not progress in the following centuries? In the Sciences, there has only been 2 Muslim Nobel Laureates from say, 1.5 Billion Muslims. 3, if you count Economics as a science. What really contributed to the 2 scientific wins were: 1) Attended American Universities; & 2) They were in teams of 3. Ironically there was a Pakistani Physicist Nobel Laureate & the supervisor of the team was in fact a Jew!
Over the past decades there has been studies which can basically be entitled, “The Link Between Race & IQ”. They have been carried out by various scientists & agencies, including the UN. They show the same findings: average IQ in the Muslim world = 80. The ‘Modern’ world scores 100. At 83 a Criminal Defendant is, “NOT GUILTY by reason of mental defect.”
The Crusades had 17 fixed battles. To keep Islam out of Europe there has been over 400 Islam is all about perverted, degenerate, Fascistic, Imperialism.
The MSM & darlings on the Left in Europe & the USA, say, “Colonialism is bad”. What is exactly happening in Western Europe & the USA right now?
Academics & Politicians endorsing this & actively promoting it are out to destroy the countries involved. They are “useful idiots” to the Islamic Cause.
.On Youtube please watch: Apostate Prophet – In 50-60 Years we will Conquer & Enslave you.
Their you will see a Sheikh, a Senior Islamic Cleric, tell you EXACTLY the plans for ALL US citizens & indeed, the Free world.
gravenimage says
Yes–most of the “Golden Age” of Islam was just the death throes of the more advanced civilizations that Mohammedans conquered. Typically after a couple of generations the society started to sink into the intellectually arid morass of Islam.
gannon says
The problem is, you are doing the exact same thing they are but picking a different side.
According to you it was all bad all the time. Which is not true either.
It seems impossible to have a balanced non-ideological view of history.
gravenimage says
Good grief–the demand that we laud the horrors of Islamic conquest in order to be “balanced” is a major part of the problem. What do you consider desirable about being overrun by Islamic invaders?
Just look at North Africa, Turkey, and Pakistan and compare then to nearby regions that have avoided or escaped Islamic invasion, as well as places in Asia, Africa, and Europe being threatened with Jihad terror today.
Besides, this is *hardly* uncommon. The West typically bends over backwards trying to find *any* positive examples of life under Islamic conquest–often citing advancements actually made by Infidels under increasing Islamic oppression.
Rarely says
It is sometimes difficult to understand just how backward Western Europe was during the Middle Ages. For the +/- 1,000 years after the fall of the Roman Empire up to the Renaissance there were virtually no inventions in Europe other than the water wheel and windmill. It is telling that in 1500 the best roads in Western Europe were those built by the Romans over 1,000 years before. Superstition and stagnation ruled the day. In comparison anything else would be a “Golden Age”. The Arab world was considerably more advanced. For example, both paper and Aramaic numerals were introduced to Europe by the Arabs along with other advancements although the Arabs picked those up further east and didn’t invent either. Advancements in astronomy were miles ahead of Europe’s stagnation as well.
However, the Renaissance did usher in an explosion in Europe which left the Muslim world in the dust.
gravenimage says
Actually, most of the civilization of the Arab world was actually Indian, Persian, and Anatolian, and very reliant on Infidels and pre-Islamic inventions.
KAP says
The Islamic conquests of Europe created stagnation from constant attacks making one side benefit the other detrimental in many aspects.