The fake “prophet,’ perhaps never having existed, seemed to favor the number 72.
72 sects and 72 having sex; multiplied by the millions of mozlum males who commit terror, each having 72.
Mr. Spencer, you have a phenomenal memory for the history of islam..
It is an excellent question and the answer is “hatred.” Not peace; not just wanting to get along and be left alone; but hatred. And that hatred has to be pursued by acts of violence and murder.
࿗Infidel࿘says
Interesting discussion of all the islamic sects.
I play a game called Civilization VI (under Steam) and there, there is a mod that splits up all the mainstream religions and one ends up w/ dozens of them. While that mod kept sunni as a single sect, it split shi’a into several sects – Imamiyeh (Tweolver), Zaidi, Ismailiya (which was the sect of the Fatimid caliphate of North Africa), Nizariya (the sect of the Assassin cult in Iran and Syria) and the Alawite, which is the sect that the ruling Syrian regime belongs to.
Also, didn’t get the differences b/w the Alevi’ites and Alawites aside from the difference in country. Also, is Druze a sect of islam, or is it completely separate? From what I understand about the Alawites, rather than just regard Ali as a prophet, they downright deify him, which is a step to far even for shi’a. I recall reading that President Hafez al Assad was gonna amend the Syrian constitution to remove the law that the president had to be a muslim, since the Alawites weren’t considered islamic, until there was that Iranian fatwa that recognized Alawites as shi’a.
About Wahabi, what I understood was that they are a sect under the Hanbali school of sunni jurisprudence. While the Saudis may have exported it all over the place, curious thing remains that only 3 countries – Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Bahrein’s sunnis – follow that sect. Also, about their rift w/ the Orromans, wasn’t it race based, since they were Arabs, while the Ottomans were Turks?
In India, Deobandis and Barellvis are 2 different sunni groups – not sure whether they’re different sects. Barelvis being sufis, while Deobandis seemingly are not. In India, Deobandis are a minority even among the sunnis: Barelvis are the overwhelming majority
About Sufis, one thing I’m curious about: is sufism practiced outside the regions where the Hanafi school of jurisprudence operates? I don’t recall ever having read about sufis in Maliki domains such as North Africa, or Shafi’i domains such as Yemen, East Africa or East Indies. About them being peaceful, I recall someone writing on another web show that while jihadists will cut off the heads of infidels, sufis will cut off the heads of infidels while whirling, dancing and singing qawali ‘songs’ Aside from the muslim brotherhood, there were several genocidal sultanates, like the Timurides, the Mughals (Aurangzeb was a Naqshbandi sufi) that followed sufism. So was the Chechen jihad in Russia in the 90s and the Kashmir Jihad since the time Kashmir first fell to islam
Also, if both Bahai’i and Ahmadiya have (different) prophets after Muhammad, how is Bahai’i a non-islamic religion? Especially since they have a place of honor for the quran? Also, do muslims regard NOI as a legitimate belief in islam, when it considers Blacks, rather than Arabs, as the best of peoples? Interesting story of Malcolm X’s conversion
I recall reading somewhere that Col Gadaffi was a quran-only muslim
I don’t think her count came anywhere close to 72 ?
Also, it was interesting hearing about the Ibadis of Oman. They accept the first 2 Rashidun caliphs but reject Ali, and yet, Oman is one of the few Arab counttries not at loggerheads w/ Iran, and which usually acts as a mediator b/w the US and Iran
On the final question, if I was stuck in a train, I’d probably pick the Ibadis, given that there hasn’t been any violence in Oman for the last 50 years. Wither them or the Alawites
ME Infidelsays
I.Q. Al Rassooli makes the claim that even before Muhammad anyone who believed in the one God of Abraham, as did the Christians and Jews, that they were considered “Muslims”. For example, the Hanifs.
Muhammad came along and expropriated the term for his new found “religion”. In other words, we are all Muslims but followers of Islam according to Rassooli should be referred to as Muhammaden Muslims. Could RS please clarify if this is correct?
Mark Spahnsays
At 16:55, Robert Spencer says,
“Meanwhile, Shiite Islam is [present tense] about 90% of the Muslims worldwide.”
Huh? I thought Sunni Muslims far outnumber Shiite Muslims. Clarify, please.
࿗Infidel࿘says
He misspoke. Sunnis are the 90%
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somehistory says
The fake “prophet,’ perhaps never having existed, seemed to favor the number 72.
72 sects and 72 having sex; multiplied by the millions of mozlum males who commit terror, each having 72.
Mr. Spencer, you have a phenomenal memory for the history of islam..
It is an excellent question and the answer is “hatred.” Not peace; not just wanting to get along and be left alone; but hatred. And that hatred has to be pursued by acts of violence and murder.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
Interesting discussion of all the islamic sects.
I play a game called Civilization VI (under Steam) and there, there is a mod that splits up all the mainstream religions and one ends up w/ dozens of them. While that mod kept sunni as a single sect, it split shi’a into several sects – Imamiyeh (Tweolver), Zaidi, Ismailiya (which was the sect of the Fatimid caliphate of North Africa), Nizariya (the sect of the Assassin cult in Iran and Syria) and the Alawite, which is the sect that the ruling Syrian regime belongs to.
Also, didn’t get the differences b/w the Alevi’ites and Alawites aside from the difference in country. Also, is Druze a sect of islam, or is it completely separate? From what I understand about the Alawites, rather than just regard Ali as a prophet, they downright deify him, which is a step to far even for shi’a. I recall reading that President Hafez al Assad was gonna amend the Syrian constitution to remove the law that the president had to be a muslim, since the Alawites weren’t considered islamic, until there was that Iranian fatwa that recognized Alawites as shi’a.
About Wahabi, what I understood was that they are a sect under the Hanbali school of sunni jurisprudence. While the Saudis may have exported it all over the place, curious thing remains that only 3 countries – Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Bahrein’s sunnis – follow that sect. Also, about their rift w/ the Orromans, wasn’t it race based, since they were Arabs, while the Ottomans were Turks?
In India, Deobandis and Barellvis are 2 different sunni groups – not sure whether they’re different sects. Barelvis being sufis, while Deobandis seemingly are not. In India, Deobandis are a minority even among the sunnis: Barelvis are the overwhelming majority
About Sufis, one thing I’m curious about: is sufism practiced outside the regions where the Hanafi school of jurisprudence operates? I don’t recall ever having read about sufis in Maliki domains such as North Africa, or Shafi’i domains such as Yemen, East Africa or East Indies. About them being peaceful, I recall someone writing on another web show that while jihadists will cut off the heads of infidels, sufis will cut off the heads of infidels while whirling, dancing and singing qawali ‘songs’ Aside from the muslim brotherhood, there were several genocidal sultanates, like the Timurides, the Mughals (Aurangzeb was a Naqshbandi sufi) that followed sufism. So was the Chechen jihad in Russia in the 90s and the Kashmir Jihad since the time Kashmir first fell to islam
Also, if both Bahai’i and Ahmadiya have (different) prophets after Muhammad, how is Bahai’i a non-islamic religion? Especially since they have a place of honor for the quran? Also, do muslims regard NOI as a legitimate belief in islam, when it considers Blacks, rather than Arabs, as the best of peoples? Interesting story of Malcolm X’s conversion
I recall reading somewhere that Col Gadaffi was a quran-only muslim
I don’t think her count came anywhere close to 72 ?
Also, it was interesting hearing about the Ibadis of Oman. They accept the first 2 Rashidun caliphs but reject Ali, and yet, Oman is one of the few Arab counttries not at loggerheads w/ Iran, and which usually acts as a mediator b/w the US and Iran
On the final question, if I was stuck in a train, I’d probably pick the Ibadis, given that there hasn’t been any violence in Oman for the last 50 years. Wither them or the Alawites
ME Infidel says
I.Q. Al Rassooli makes the claim that even before Muhammad anyone who believed in the one God of Abraham, as did the Christians and Jews, that they were considered “Muslims”. For example, the Hanifs.
Muhammad came along and expropriated the term for his new found “religion”. In other words, we are all Muslims but followers of Islam according to Rassooli should be referred to as Muhammaden Muslims. Could RS please clarify if this is correct?
Mark Spahn says
At 16:55, Robert Spencer says,
“Meanwhile, Shiite Islam is [present tense] about 90% of the Muslims worldwide.”
Huh? I thought Sunni Muslims far outnumber Shiite Muslims. Clarify, please.
࿗Infidel࿘ says
He misspoke. Sunnis are the 90%