The principle is always and everywhere the same: in Muslim countries, one must conform one’s behavior to Muslim sensibilities. In non-Muslim countries, one must conform one’s behavior to Muslim sensibilities.
“Female Muslim students call for increased accommodations in SU pools,” by Katie McClellan, Daily Orange, September 19, 2022:
Syracuse University student Hawa Omar never learned how to swim. When Omar arrived at SU, she was excited to learn, but quickly discovered The Barnes Center at the Arch’s pool is not accessible to Muslim women like herself.
“I’m not able to exercise. I’m not able to have fun in the pool, or even learn how to swim,” Omar said. “As Muslims we have to cover, and when we’re in a swimming pool, obviously we’re not covering, so there can’t be any men.”
Covering, or maintaining modest dress for religious reasons, is at best uncomfortable and at worst impossible for Muslim women who choose to cover their bodies when they’re using Barnes Center facilities, such as the pool. Muslim students told The Daily Orange that SU lacks proper accommodations for them, especially in gyms and pools….
Naqib mentioned feeling uncomfortable when wearing her hijab at the gym, recalling getting “weird stares.”
Amarkhil said the Barnes swimming pool should allocate a specific time for Muslim women to use the facility. Her request isn’t anything new….
But even with specialized hours, using the Barnes Center’s facilities may not be possible for some students. Omar and Rahim said the glass windows and doors looking into the pool are another obstacle in their efforts to make the area accessible to Muslim women. Omar suggested installing curtains to block the windows, and prevent men from seeing women swimming.
Rayan Mohamed, a freshman in MSA, believes solutions to the issue will benefit all female students at SU, not just Muslim women.
“I’m sure it’s not only Muslims, I think there’ll be a lot of female students that would benefit from it because not everyone is comfortable with all genders swimming (together),” Mohamed said.
MSA Administrator Mariam Abdelghany said Sibley pool at the Women’s Building, which is less exposed than the Barnes pool, could be a perfect solution. Since less people use the pool, the university could easily block out specialized hours for students, she said.
The university is open to connecting with Muslim students about the issue, and provide better accommodations, said Sarah Scalese, SU’s senior associate vice president for communications.
Still, Abdelghany believes the problem with accessibility at SU is bigger than just pool access.
“We are very underrepresented,” she said. “Even with faculty, I think a lot don’t know the Muslim accommodations they should have for students.”…
“Sometimes there is no inclusion,” Omar said. “But there is diversity because we’re here.”
Infidel says
Where in the quran or sunnah is it mentioned that muslimahs are allowed to swim? If Syracuse University wants to be diverse, it should use that and require all muslimahs to stay w/ their mahrams and not go anywhere near swimming pools which are open for everybody else!
somehistory says
They should be told, “too bad” but we don’t kowtow to the demented demands of a death cult that wants to dictate to everyone else and is never willing to make allowances for the needs or wants or beliefs of others.
One step to give in is all it will take for them to make larger and larger demands.
gravenimage says
Here’s IslamQ&A–the most widely-read Islamic site in Englsh–on the subject:
“Is it permissible for women to go to swimming pools?”
“Praise be to Allah.
Islam takes complete care of the Muslim woman and preserves her modesty, conceals her and keeps her away from places of fitnah (temptation).
Islam enjoins women to stay at home and not go out unnecessarily, so as to preserve their chastity, maintain their dignity and protect them from all evil.
Muslim women going out to public centres and swimming pools is something that is emphatically forbidden, because it involves a number of evils and negative consequences…”
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/159926/is-it-permissible-for-women-to-go-to-swimming-pools
This even forbids Muslimahs from swimming at women-only pools.
somehistory says
g, I thought swimming was forbidden, but hot having memorized all of the garbage, I wasn’t sure enough to write as much.
It’s one of those things they can ignore if it will further the invasive species, further the evil, further the takeover, and more people should be aware of just what is their intent.
they should be reminded of this, and told to consult their favorite cleric.
Fitna says
Great post Graven, they just need to shove that in Muslims faces and tell them to stay at home where they belong. If they want to live by Islam, then they must follow all the rules.
What they’re doing ofc is cynically imposing Islam on everyone else because they know people are not aware of the actual rules and teachings.
They use our generosity, openness and tolerance to abolish tolerance. They need to be told to conform to our ways or don’t use our facilities or go back.
Infidel says
Praise be to allah for this Islam Q&A resource. Somebody should give this to Syracuse University to throw in the faces of those muslimahs, telling them that not only do they not have exclusive access, but as per shariah law, they don’t even get to wear burqinis there
CogitoErgoSum says
I imagine that was a real problem for the first immigrants who came to this country also. I think the early pioneer women just jumped into the nearest creek and ignored the stares of all the Indians hiding in the bushes. Those women were shameless but tough and if some of them got raped at least the 1024th Native American blood that their great-great-great-great grandchild gained from the experience would at least help get them into a college with a heated swimming pool.
Keith O says
There’s an easy solution to this problem.
Every male at the university turns up to the pool when the female mudslimes are there and tell them that they “self identify as a female muslim”.
If they refuse to allow entry, well, that obviously discrimination!!!
somehistory says
Of course, if reason worked with them. but it wouldn’t as they see it as all one-way…their way or no way.
Keith O says
Sounds like my ex wife.
gravenimage says
Now *that* is funny, Keith.
Keith O says
Thanks GI, gotta think outside the box occasionally.
Infidel says
That’s a brilliant solution, Keith! Icing on the cake would be if those men identifying as women identified as muslimahs, went into the pools wearing burqinis and started maybe splashing them around in the water ? But even w/o going that far, your solution is brilliant. If the YMCA/YWCA can expel people who complain about men being in women’s locker rooms ogling women, there ain’t no reason infidel men shouldn’t be able to pull this off!
Daniel Bielak says
Muslims are the only religious group that demands that others conform to precepts of their religion.
Muslims get away with doing so because of the capitulation of non-Muslims. Those non-Muslims do so out of fear of retribution by Muslims, or out of sanctimonious unethical so-called “tolerance.” Much of that so-called tolerance derives from anti-Jewish anti-Israeli bigotry (“The Jews are persecuting the Muslims in ‘Palestine,’ so Muslims are a victimized group, so the ethical thing for us to do is to acquiesce to the Muslims.”).
Non-Muslim “dhimmis” need to stop blaming Jews and develop an actual ethical backbone.
What’s wrong is wrong for all. What’s right is right for all.
Daniel Bielak says
“What’s wrong is wrong for all. What’s right is right for all.”
And what’s wrong and what’s right is defined by ethics—in summary, the Golden Rule.
gravenimage says
Too true, Daniel. And good to see you posting again.
Daniel Bielak says
“And good to see you posting again.”
Thank you gravenimage.
I always appreciate your posts.
BTW, I don’t use my old email account; I forgot the password. My new email address is the same as my old one but with my name with no spaces and with “79” at the end of it as the username.
Wellington says
The sickening and parasitic nature of Islam is never ending. But even worse are all those non-Muslims who wither and cave to this Islamic rot.
Pure evil is horrible. But even more horrible is cowardly submission to evil.
Daniel Bielak says
Well said, Wellington.
Daniel Bielak says
Both the political Left and Islam are totalitarian.
Obsequence towards totalitarianism facilitates the practice of totalitarianism.
Right (non-violent) action (right speech (including right writing), non-compliance, non-collusion) towards totalitarianism dispels totalitarianism.
Mark Spahn says
[Hawa] Omar said. “As Muslims we have to cover, and when we’re in a swimming pool, obviously we’re not covering, so there can’t be any men.”
Really? Female Muslims can swim only naked? Where in the Quran does it say that?
Infidel says
I dunno whether the quran says anything about it, but see Graven’s post about the Islam Q&A on this subject above
gravenimage says
Syracuse University: Female Muslim students demand exclusive pool access
Syracuse University student Hawa Omar never learned how to swim. When Omar arrived at SU, she was excited to learn, but quickly discovered The Barnes Center at the Arch’s pool is not accessible to Muslim women like herself.
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*Bullsh*t*. The university is not keeping out Muslimahs–they are doing that themselves.
More:
“I’m not able to exercise. I’m not able to have fun in the pool, or even learn how to swim,” Omar said. “As Muslims we have to cover, and when we’re in a swimming pool, obviously we’re not covering, so there can’t be any men.”
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Notice that she is not asking for hours for women–just hours for *Muslim* women.
More:
Naqib mentioned feeling uncomfortable when wearing her hijab at the gym, recalling getting “weird stares.”
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Anything that is even slightly different from the norm will get some looks–this is the same everywhere. But what these thugs want to do is *make* this the norm.
And this is only a part-way measure–if they succeed in getting full Shari’ah imposed here, there will be no more women’s hours at swimming pools. Does anyone suppose that the Taliban is allowing this?
More:
But even with specialized hours, using the Barnes Center’s facilities may not be possible for some students. Omar and Rahim said the glass windows and doors looking into the pool are another obstacle in their efforts to make the area accessible to Muslim women. Omar suggested installing curtains to block the windows, and prevent men from seeing women swimming.
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Yes–the demands are not stopping at special hours for Muslim women only.
Rayan Mohamed, a freshman in MSA, believes solutions to the issue will benefit all female students at SU, not just Muslim women.
More:
“I’m sure it’s not only Muslims, I think there’ll be a lot of female students that would benefit from it because not everyone is comfortable with all genders swimming (together),” Mohamed said.
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Really? Then why is the demand for hours for Muslim women only?
More:
MSA Administrator Mariam Abdelghany said Sibley pool at the Women’s Building, which is less exposed than the Barnes pool, could be a perfect solution. Since less people use the pool, the university could easily block out specialized hours for students, she said.
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So there is *already* a pool for women there.
More:
Still, Abdelghany believes the problem with accessibility at SU is bigger than just pool access.
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Of course it is. The demands are not going to stop at swimming pools.
saturnine says
“Sometimes there is no inclusion,” Omar said.
In other words, your inclusiveness must allow us to exclude. We demand you tolerate our intolerance!
Infidel says
Yeah, Karl Popper’s law is getting more prominence these days, thanks to their antics
Jayell1 says
We’ve had this sort of thing in the UK wherever an a area becomes islam-contaminated. Local authority swimming pools find themselves having to reserve two or three evenings per week for these specimens to disport themselves in public without the danger of being being observed by their menfolk.