Wednesday. Get The Truth About Muhammadhere, and Did Muhammad Exist?here.
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Tony Naimsays
The division of the Koran between Meccan and Medina verses is a misnomer, a source of academic confusion. Even though Muhammad married many women, 2 distinctive and prominent women, and the men behind them, played a key role in his life and a critical role in the formation of the Koran: on one hand, there is Khadijah , the first wife, 15 years older than him, and her cousin Warakah Ibn Nawfal, the Ebionite minister who mentored Muhammad in his theological education. Khadijah died 3 years before Muhammad escaped to Medina .
His Third wife Aisha, married to Muhammad 3 years after his arrival to Medina, and her father, the first Caliph, Abu Bakr Elsiddiq, who positioned himself in close political proximity to Muhammad through his daughter’s marriage. Abu Bakr was a traditional Arab nomad. A tribesman and a warrior from Jahiliya. His values weighed on the formation of the Medina verses.
So to recapitulate: the Koran is actually not divided into Meccan and Medina verses ( with reference to geographical
Location) but rather , to be more accurate, to the Koran of Khadijah and the Koran of Aisha ( the women who influenced him). Even more precisely, for the sake of objective historical clarity: the Koran of Warakah Ibn Nawfal ( the Ebionite minister) and the Koran of Ibn Bakr El Siddiq, ( the violent tribal nomad)
Tony Naimsays
I do agree with Mr Spencer, the formation of Islam as a religious tradition was developed by Arab rulers in the 7th-8th and 9th centuries as a vehicle of Arab colonialism
Michael Copelandsays
“…unspiritual, concerned to win the empire of the world”
–
Bertrand Russell
Infidelsays
This was one of your best appearances on the channel. I liked how the discussion covered both “The Truth about Muhammad” and “Did Muhammad exist?”, and how one fed into the other
The Q&A session was entertaining as well: one of the people, through his question about Fatima, Ali, Hasan and Husseyn, asked a question similar to the one I was wondering: how historic was the Rashidun caliphate? If Qutham lived in Petra and the works we read about are really his account, then how true is it that from Petra, the Arabs first conquered the Arabian peninsula before invading Damascus? Incidentally, if things were centered at Petra, it would explain why they would invade Damascus first, before turning south towards Palestine and then Egypt
I also chuckled at the question at 1:26:00 – if Satan can urinate, why can’t farishtas, hoors, ghilmas and allah? I can bet that David Wood would have wished that he was the guest here, rather than RS. Actually, Sanjay Dixit had a series in Urdu called “Deen ki Dawaat”, where he and 2 of his friends covered a lot of the disgusting stuff about islam, like the stuff about camel urine, Muhammad’s piss being prized, how farting negates a prayer and so on. It was in that context that this question was asked
Anyway, a very good session
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Tony Naim says
The division of the Koran between Meccan and Medina verses is a misnomer, a source of academic confusion. Even though Muhammad married many women, 2 distinctive and prominent women, and the men behind them, played a key role in his life and a critical role in the formation of the Koran: on one hand, there is Khadijah , the first wife, 15 years older than him, and her cousin Warakah Ibn Nawfal, the Ebionite minister who mentored Muhammad in his theological education. Khadijah died 3 years before Muhammad escaped to Medina .
His Third wife Aisha, married to Muhammad 3 years after his arrival to Medina, and her father, the first Caliph, Abu Bakr Elsiddiq, who positioned himself in close political proximity to Muhammad through his daughter’s marriage. Abu Bakr was a traditional Arab nomad. A tribesman and a warrior from Jahiliya. His values weighed on the formation of the Medina verses.
So to recapitulate: the Koran is actually not divided into Meccan and Medina verses ( with reference to geographical
Location) but rather , to be more accurate, to the Koran of Khadijah and the Koran of Aisha ( the women who influenced him). Even more precisely, for the sake of objective historical clarity: the Koran of Warakah Ibn Nawfal ( the Ebionite minister) and the Koran of Ibn Bakr El Siddiq, ( the violent tribal nomad)
Tony Naim says
I do agree with Mr Spencer, the formation of Islam as a religious tradition was developed by Arab rulers in the 7th-8th and 9th centuries as a vehicle of Arab colonialism
Michael Copeland says
“…unspiritual, concerned to win the empire of the world”
–
Bertrand Russell
Infidel says
This was one of your best appearances on the channel. I liked how the discussion covered both “The Truth about Muhammad” and “Did Muhammad exist?”, and how one fed into the other
The Q&A session was entertaining as well: one of the people, through his question about Fatima, Ali, Hasan and Husseyn, asked a question similar to the one I was wondering: how historic was the Rashidun caliphate? If Qutham lived in Petra and the works we read about are really his account, then how true is it that from Petra, the Arabs first conquered the Arabian peninsula before invading Damascus? Incidentally, if things were centered at Petra, it would explain why they would invade Damascus first, before turning south towards Palestine and then Egypt
I also chuckled at the question at 1:26:00 – if Satan can urinate, why can’t farishtas, hoors, ghilmas and allah? I can bet that David Wood would have wished that he was the guest here, rather than RS. Actually, Sanjay Dixit had a series in Urdu called “Deen ki Dawaat”, where he and 2 of his friends covered a lot of the disgusting stuff about islam, like the stuff about camel urine, Muhammad’s piss being prized, how farting negates a prayer and so on. It was in that context that this question was asked
Anyway, a very good session