A good interview with David of Opposing Points, earlier today. Order The Critical Qur’anhere.
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mortimersays
The ignorant repeat lies about Robert Spencer without doing any research.
Robert Spencer is one of the BEST INFORMED of anyone today on the subject of the JIHAD DOCTRINE.
The Left is in an unholy alliance with JIHADISTS whom they use as a threat against the enemies of Leftism.
The Left cannot defend JIHADISM, so they attack those who EXPOSE jihadism.
The Leftards are UNABLE to debate jihadism, so they want to eliminate debate about jihadism.
gravenimagesays
Spot on, Mortimer.
mortimersays
David of Opposing Points asks if the violence in the Old Testament may be compared with the violent passages in the Koran. The answer is that the OT violence is ‘DESCRIPTIVE’ (i.e. it describes horrible things that happened). The Koran’s violence is ‘PRESCRIPTIVE’ (i.e. Allah is making a ‘prescription’ for Muslims to attack non-Muslims and subjugate them.)
Thus, the difference between the OT and Koran is in the INTENTION of the writers.
Neither Judaism today nor Christianity today have teachings that demand they TAKE OVER THE WORLD MILITARILY.
The primary meaning of the word ‘JIHAD’ (Arabic: struggle) is the ‘struggle’ to remove the human rights and civil liberties of women and ‘others’.
gravenimagesays
Spot on, Mortimer.
gravenimagesays
Video: Robert Spencer discusses what is said about him, and The Critical Qur’an
………….
Yes–all of this calumny against Robert Spencer is intended to shut down any criticism or even questioning of Islam. including violent Jihad. Just despicable.
And you see this all the time–claims that Robert Spencer is lying–and this is *never* backed up with any examples at all. You hear this from Muslim apologists at Jihad Watch very frequently. Very telling.
And now this crushing of freedom of speech is spreading.
Then, the smear that Anders Breivik was inspired by Robert Spencer is quite false–in fact, he *condemned* Spencer for not preaching violence, and was in fact inspired, as he himself admits, by Al Qaeda’s violence.
And Robert Spencer’s own family was persecuted during the Armenian Genocide–which actually threatened *all* Christians–Armenian, Greek, Assyrian, Levantine–in Turkey and the Ottoman Empire.
Ah, yes–Qur’an 5:32, often quoted by Islamic apologists–is actually a threat against *Jews* who don’t live up to their own moral standards. This is in fact actually from the Talmud.
Then, “corruption on the earth” is usually interpreted as anything that does not enforce Islam.
In fact, the following verses threaten Jews with death at the hands of Muslims–so this is *anything* but a verse calling for peace.
This is a rare reference to context that actually *cites* the specific context–something Muslim apologists almost never do, for good reason.
Truth is that most Muslims hope that Infidels *won’t* read the Qur’an, let alone Spencer’s critical edition.
Michael Copelandsays
“As Though He Killed All Mankind…”
This Islamic deception was successfully employed on Nick Clegg, Deputy Prime Minister. After the killing of Lee Rigby the BBC (which commenter Jayell here says is “crawling with muslims”) used it for a propaganda item on the News.
Beginning a 24:15, Robert says that the Council on American-Islam Relations (CAIR, National Communications Director Ibrahim Cooper, ihooper@cair.com) will give you a free, very-large-size Quran just for the asking. This is the first I have hear about this, and I can’t find confirmation of this claim at
CAIR’s website https://www.cair.com .
I would enjoy receiving such a free copy of the Quran. Is this offer for real? Is there a catch?
Yes–sick stuff. Thanks for that link, Somehistory.
gravenimagesays
Yes–the Torah (Old Testament) is *descriptive*, not *prescriptive*. No Jews or Christians are slaughtering people in the name of their faith. Would that this were true of Islam.
And apologists have to go back hundreds of years to find Christians doing violence in the name of their faith–which, incidentally, Christianity *never* taught. Again, would that this were true of Islam.
Islam teaches violence; this is a core part of the creed.
And then, the *violent* Jihad is considered the greatest of all struggles.
Then, most of the Afghans brought here were *not* vetted–unless perhaps by the Taliban. Terrifying stuff.
Do they agree with raping young boys? American troops were told to do *nothing* about these horrors. Is raping Infidel women OK? How about slaughtering Jews? But asking these questions would be deemed “Islamophobic”…
And Afghans in the US have *already* been abusing women and children. Just the tip of the iceberg.
Good points re Jihadists and “white supremacists”.
Very good interview. I was not previously familiar with David of Opposing Points.
proudlyislamophobicsays
The reason why there is no more violence in non-Muslim religions is because they have evolved. You must keep in mind that Islam is 1400 years old. That means that Muslims have evolved as far as the Middle Ages in western culture. When you are dealing with a Muslim you are dealing with someone who is essential living in the Middle Ages. So, about 600 years from now Islam will have advanced to the stage that Christianity is at now. This is, of course, assuming that all religions evolve at the same rate and in the same way. But the facts seem to bear it out. And also keep in mind that most other religions are older still than Christianity.
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mortimer says
The ignorant repeat lies about Robert Spencer without doing any research.
Robert Spencer is one of the BEST INFORMED of anyone today on the subject of the JIHAD DOCTRINE.
The Left is in an unholy alliance with JIHADISTS whom they use as a threat against the enemies of Leftism.
The Left cannot defend JIHADISM, so they attack those who EXPOSE jihadism.
The Leftards are UNABLE to debate jihadism, so they want to eliminate debate about jihadism.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Mortimer.
mortimer says
David of Opposing Points asks if the violence in the Old Testament may be compared with the violent passages in the Koran. The answer is that the OT violence is ‘DESCRIPTIVE’ (i.e. it describes horrible things that happened). The Koran’s violence is ‘PRESCRIPTIVE’ (i.e. Allah is making a ‘prescription’ for Muslims to attack non-Muslims and subjugate them.)
Thus, the difference between the OT and Koran is in the INTENTION of the writers.
Neither Judaism today nor Christianity today have teachings that demand they TAKE OVER THE WORLD MILITARILY.
The primary meaning of the word ‘JIHAD’ (Arabic: struggle) is the ‘struggle’ to remove the human rights and civil liberties of women and ‘others’.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Mortimer.
gravenimage says
Video: Robert Spencer discusses what is said about him, and The Critical Qur’an
………….
Yes–all of this calumny against Robert Spencer is intended to shut down any criticism or even questioning of Islam. including violent Jihad. Just despicable.
And you see this all the time–claims that Robert Spencer is lying–and this is *never* backed up with any examples at all. You hear this from Muslim apologists at Jihad Watch very frequently. Very telling.
And now this crushing of freedom of speech is spreading.
Then, the smear that Anders Breivik was inspired by Robert Spencer is quite false–in fact, he *condemned* Spencer for not preaching violence, and was in fact inspired, as he himself admits, by Al Qaeda’s violence.
And Robert Spencer’s own family was persecuted during the Armenian Genocide–which actually threatened *all* Christians–Armenian, Greek, Assyrian, Levantine–in Turkey and the Ottoman Empire.
Ah, yes–Qur’an 5:32, often quoted by Islamic apologists–is actually a threat against *Jews* who don’t live up to their own moral standards. This is in fact actually from the Talmud.
Then, “corruption on the earth” is usually interpreted as anything that does not enforce Islam.
In fact, the following verses threaten Jews with death at the hands of Muslims–so this is *anything* but a verse calling for peace.
This is a rare reference to context that actually *cites* the specific context–something Muslim apologists almost never do, for good reason.
Truth is that most Muslims hope that Infidels *won’t* read the Qur’an, let alone Spencer’s critical edition.
Michael Copeland says
“As Though He Killed All Mankind…”
This Islamic deception was successfully employed on Nick Clegg, Deputy Prime Minister. After the killing of Lee Rigby the BBC (which commenter Jayell here says is “crawling with muslims”) used it for a propaganda item on the News.
https://gatesofvienna.net/2022/03/as-though-he-killed-all-mankind/
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
Beginning a 24:15, Robert says that the Council on American-Islam Relations (CAIR, National Communications Director Ibrahim Cooper, ihooper@cair.com) will give you a free, very-large-size Quran just for the asking. This is the first I have hear about this, and I can’t find confirmation of this claim at
CAIR’s website https://www.cair.com .
I would enjoy receiving such a free copy of the Quran. Is this offer for real? Is there a catch?
gravenimage says
It’s for real, Mark:
“CAIR: Request or Sponsor a Free Quran”
https://www.cair.com/action_alerts/cair-request-or-sponsor-a-free-quran/
More people took them up on it than they thought would…
somehistory says
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“US Congress: Rashida Tlaib introduces Nakba resolution”
US Congress: Rashida Tlaib introduces Nakba resolution …
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/16/us…
gravenimage says
Yes–sick stuff. Thanks for that link, Somehistory.
gravenimage says
Yes–the Torah (Old Testament) is *descriptive*, not *prescriptive*. No Jews or Christians are slaughtering people in the name of their faith. Would that this were true of Islam.
And apologists have to go back hundreds of years to find Christians doing violence in the name of their faith–which, incidentally, Christianity *never* taught. Again, would that this were true of Islam.
Islam teaches violence; this is a core part of the creed.
And then, the *violent* Jihad is considered the greatest of all struggles.
Then, most of the Afghans brought here were *not* vetted–unless perhaps by the Taliban. Terrifying stuff.
Do they agree with raping young boys? American troops were told to do *nothing* about these horrors. Is raping Infidel women OK? How about slaughtering Jews? But asking these questions would be deemed “Islamophobic”…
And Afghans in the US have *already* been abusing women and children. Just the tip of the iceberg.
Good points re Jihadists and “white supremacists”.
Very good interview. I was not previously familiar with David of Opposing Points.
proudlyislamophobic says
The reason why there is no more violence in non-Muslim religions is because they have evolved. You must keep in mind that Islam is 1400 years old. That means that Muslims have evolved as far as the Middle Ages in western culture. When you are dealing with a Muslim you are dealing with someone who is essential living in the Middle Ages. So, about 600 years from now Islam will have advanced to the stage that Christianity is at now. This is, of course, assuming that all religions evolve at the same rate and in the same way. But the facts seem to bear it out. And also keep in mind that most other religions are older still than Christianity.