Government buildings have lots of security. The hotels where lefty think tanks meet have security. And yet schools can’t.
Democrats have spent a decade dismantling school disciplinary policies, while crying racism, fighting to keep police and armed security out of schools, and then throwing a tantrum after every school shooting, screaming that Republicans want kids to die because they won’t ban guns.
Never mind that gun control has yet to stop a single shooting in Chicago.
When any group or building is targeted, we harden it. That includes having armed security on site. Unfortunately, schools have become a top target. That wasn’t always the case, but the media and Michael Moore decided to publicize the Columbine Massacre. A long series of school gunmen since have consciously followed in their footsteps. We know that they do it to be famous. And the media could stop giving them publicity, but keeps worsening the situation to make a pitch for gun control.
Democrats could agree to school security and sane disciplinary policies, and also lobby for gun control. But they’re convinced that the more kids get shot, the better their odds of undoing the Second Amendment will be. And so they cultivate “gun-free zones” in schools and push out proposals like having armed teachers.
Why? Because they want more kids to die.
The same sociopaths who refuse to protect and defend skills will spend the next week, broadcasting every funeral and ranting at length about “weapons of war” while hoping that another school shooting happens as soon as possible.
JimJFox says
‘Never mind that gun control has yet to stop a single shooting in Chicago’
And you KNOW this How? And why Chicago?
The rest of this ridiculous rant does not deserve a response except to say it is bollocks. ‘They want more kids to die’… written by a sick mind. D G, see a psychiatrist. NOW!
somehistory says
More than one ban guns person has sad that Republicans won’t ban guns because they want more kids to die.
so you go make your appointment, now. Shouting won’t make your non-argument any stronger.
Infidel says
This is easy to know. Cities like Chicago, NYC, DC are places where it’s near impossible to legally own a gun, Second Amendment notwithstanding. Yet, the level of gun violence there is sky high
‘They want more kids to die’ is a usual rant of the Left against the Right, and you people hate it when the same is used against you! As the cliche goes, what goes around, comes around!
gravenimage says
+1
John Scharf says
Without self-defense there is no freedom.
If you discourage self-defense,you discourage the hope of life.
Without self-defense life has no protection.
Slaves are not allowed weapons.
Gun control is to self-defense as slavery is to serenity.
Rarely says
I suspect that it wouldn’t be too great an infringement on the right to bear arms to exclude rapid fire assault weapons, anti-tank weapons, surface-to-air missiles and the like. Similarly, a comprehensive background check and a few other minor restrictions shouldn’t cause that law-abiding citizen too much inconvenience,
To suggest that Democrats appreciate (i.e. like) these school slaughters in their war against guns is a little beyond the Pale…I hope. Reporting on them or, as you say, publicizing them and using that publicity to push for stronger gun control is not much different from using motor vehicle accident statistics to push for mandatory seat belt usage.
somehistory says
If a driver disobeys the seat belt law, he is the one to suffer if in an accident and it would have saved him injury or death.
If a gun owner goes outside the law and kills another, it’s the other person who suffers. That’s the big difference in the two.
John Scharf says
If a speeder drives 40mph in a 20mph zone and hit a pedestrian there is a 90% kill rate.
If a shooter hits a pedestrian, they have a 68% kill rate.
The driver will get six years in prison and have their driver’s license back in ten.
The shooter might go to prison for life and never legally possess a rifle again.
A car at 40 mph has more destructive energy than a 20mm cannon.
July14th,2016, a 19-tonne truck was deliberately driven into crowds of people celebrating Bastille Day on the Promenade des Anglais in Nice, France, resulting in the deaths of 86 people &injury of 458 others.
Every sane law-abiding citizen should be armed for public safety and national security.
All staff in schools should be sane law-abiding citizens.
If you are not ready and willing to undertake preventing
imminent and otherwise unavoidable danger of death or grave
bodily harm to the innocent, you do not deserve to be protected yourself.
We do not have a criminal or psycho free zone so they make every sane law abiding citizen an inmate without rights by making our homes and streets a prison.
somehistory says
The seatbelt laws are to protect the ***riders*** in the cars from serious injury and death in an accident. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether a person speeds and kills someone or buys a gun and shoots another person.
If all gun laws were for the protection of the person buying and using it, then it could be compared to the laws on seatbelts.
And laws are different in different States. Some states have longer sentences for speeding drivers, but that is a separate issue than wearing a seat belt law vs gun laws.
gravenimage says
John, a shooter in a school is morally different from someone driving 40 miles an hour, even if they are speeding. The driver likely had no intention of harming anyone; surely this is not true of someone deliberately massacring 4th-graders.
Infidel says
There was a ban on assault weapons from 1994-2003, and the number of gun deaths from it didn’t go down much from the period before, and didn’t go up much in the period after
And no, stating that Dems appreciate gun deaths is simply stating facts, since most centrists have left the party and what’s left is… the Left! They are in for a power grab, which is impossible as long as the Second Amendment exists. Which it does precisely to prevent this sort of a power grab that the Dems have wet dreams about. Yeah, the Second Amendment is useful to protect yourself from BLM/Antifa mobs like Mark McCloskey if you need to, but the main reason it’s there is to prevent the likes of Ilhan Omar and AOC from seizing power w/o an election that supports their cause or candidates
rbla says
New York already has very strict gun controls. But guess what? Criminals caught with guns are not prosecuted for violating gun laws or even for the other crimes they commit. So you and your fellow Dems should get on the case and have your wonderful Dem officials, you know the ones that scream loudest about gun control, to actually enforce what they have. I’m sure you’ll be successful in persuading theme, let us know how you’re doing.
somehistory says
If they want everyone to give up their guns, they should be told, “You first.”
somehistory says
Congress has more cops than many cities. Celebs have armed bodyguards. Fences and metal detectors are installed in and around gov buildings.
Pols have the option of not running for office. Celebs have the option of not continuing their careers.
Children are made to go to school, and if they don’t, truant officers stand ready to find them out of compliance along with the parents, unless they live in a place that allows home- schooling.
so, who needs more protection? To some, like “bo”….the death by overdose in a felon is more important than murdered kids…no surprise seeing how he views the unborn kids; and to some like pelosi, and whoopi….they are ready to put claims on the lives of the unborn but then want to center blame for the criminal actions of those who misuse guns on the people who would never do such and in fact, would use them to protect their kids.
Just as one father of a murdered child in Uvalde said. He owns a gun and rightly says the blame is not on the guns, but on the murderer.
And, in my opinion, on those who force kids to go to schools and then won’t offer to protect them.
Att. Paxton says teachers should be armed. They could be trained by guys like the BP agent who shot the killer.
But. as Mr. Greenfield points out, some people just don’t the kids to be protected…before or after being born.
somehistory says
In the study of Criminology. one learns that some people the propose the idea that those in charge make laws to help them and restrict the movements, freedoms, etc. of those over whom they rule, while preserving their own freedoms, protecting their property, etc.
This claim looks very strong and true in today’s society. Even to going against the Constitution they have sworn to uphold and ***obey****…ignoring the Freedoms set out in the Bill and Amendments.
And at the same time, allowing much lawbreaking to take place without any charges or punishment for those breaking the laws.
Fitna says
I am pro-gun but there has to be some way to keep guns out of psychotic people’s hands otherwise banning is the only solution to this problem.
However look at the situation in the UK where guns are banned. Muslims (mostly Somalis, Pakistanis) have been raping children, (mostly white girls) for decades and the cops did nothing.
If guns were allowed, you can bet thousands of parents would’ve exterminated those rapists (since the state failed to protect the kids and failed to prosecute 99% of the perps) and maybe the problem would’ve stopped much sooner.
I believe in guns for self-defense, they saved millions of lives, esp. single moms/granny’s living on their own whose home was invaded.
I think the US needs tighter regulation, better screening before handing out guns, then they’ll need metal detectors at school. There are also cases of car-jackings and people being killed for their ‘air jordans’ shoes.
The police should do way more stop and search. People caught with illegal guns serve a mandatory 5-10 years.
I’m throwing out some random ideas but there has to be a way to keep guns available for self-defense, esp if we end up in a war against Muslims for example which I know is definitely coming to the West, but at the same time to keep bad people from getting them.
somehistory says
I read a report a little while ago about the new Red Flag laws under consideration by both dems and repubs. They cite the Red Flag in Florida that allows guns to be taken temporarily from someone suspected of planning to kill or someone who is suspected of mental problems that could cause them to go berserk.
No easy answers for sure. So many of those like this young guy who killed little kids, and the guy in Buffalo seem to have some problem that might throw light on how to have some measure of control without stepping on the Amendment for those who would just protect themselves and family.
The mom of the teen in Uvalde didn’t believe her son could do such as thing, and when told, went “looking for her son.” Problems there< sounds like
Fitna says
Red Flag laws sound like a pretty good idea. Clearly people who become mass shooters are mentally unstable in some way and good, law-abiding citizens should not be lumped in with those wackos, but unfortunately that’s something the Left tends to do.
Agreed, there are no easy answers-but I believe it might be possible to strike a balance between allowing people to have guns for self-defense while also finding good ways to keep them out of the hands of nutjobs and criminals.
It could require surrendering some freedoms, as in having more background checks, psych-evaluations, etc to try to screen out people who could be potential mass shooters.
Perhaps there could also be technological solutions to deal with this issue. I support the 2A but the trouble is that when you allow people to own guns, there is always the risk that someone could snap at anytime and go on a shooting spree.
Not to mention with more guns floating around due to the criminal underworld, these laws won’t be able to catch everyone. Unless the gov’t was willing to go after all the bad guys and take away their guns.
somehistory says
whenever I or my daughter need a certain sinus med, we have to show our driver’s license, can buy one box and have to wait at least 30 days before we can buy another box. there aren’t enough tablets in a box to take two every day for a month, so if we need it, we have to be aware of the wait to buy more.
This was a law made because of the criminals who make meth using the ingredients in the medicine. I don’t like having to wait, nor show my id every time, but it’s a law.
When a person, such as the teenager, goes to buy a gun….buys two of the kind he did, why doesn’t he have to show his id and wait a month before he can buy a box of ammo? And then wait another month before he can buy another box?
One box would be enough to scare/kill an intruder to protect himself and his granny, or shoot a deer for dinner. A law-abiding person would not break the laws to buy enough to murder a school full of kids.
And why not ask him why he needs that kind of gun…and more than one.
The reason schools are chosen: because it’s a place with a lot of victims…and usually no guns in the hands of the people inside.
Stores have security with guns and sometimes the owners/employees, even some sales clerks have a gun behind the counter.
The perp knows the places where he is least likely to be shot. A school full of little kids. And he can cause a lot of pain and grief. His *reason* for doing it at all.
Rarely says
Is it possible to at least get some agreement to (a) restrict the type of guns available (eg. banning rapid fire assault weapons) and (b) having an extensive background check on those applying to buy a gun?
If not, what improvements, if any, would you suggest?
Infidel says
Assault weapons are useful against a mob. Imagine if you were confronted w/ dozens of Antifa members: an AR-15 would be exactly what you want. If it was just 1 thug, a handgun would suffice
I agree w/ (b), but you ignore the fact that most criminals obtain their guns illegally. Improvements I’d suggest would be getting a full profile of a gun buyer, his/her criminal history and so on. Also, survey what their environs are where they’re getting a gun: is it to protect themselves in a questionable environment, or are they in a crime-free environment and just looking to create trouble. Evaluating their social media would be a good place to look
Infidel says
Rarely, also what law would you pass to force people who don’t obey laws to obey laws?
Rarely says
LOL. There’s no way I can think of to significantly reduce gun violence between gangs or career criminals trying to enrich themselves.
However, when an 18 yr old has legal access to assault weapons and enough ammunition to overtake a small country something is wrong. A friend of mine attended an AA meeting in Texas where more than half those present wore sidearms. Something is wrong. When discussions on school safety include barricading schools, having armed “guards”, arming elementary school teachers and teaching the 6-12 yr olds how to protect themselves if a potential mass murderer shows up something is wrong.
In summary, something is wrong.
What may be the worst of it is politicalizing of the discussion to the point that there is no discussion at all. Never mind that recent polls show that +/- 70% of the populace support some sort of gun control.
Hank says
One common topic of these school shootings seems to be bullying by fellow classmates. A friend of the shooter stated that he was severely bullied at school and relentlessly taunted by fellow students for a speech impairment. However, the friend does not mention what the teachers or school did about the hostile school environment which may have contributed to the tragedy.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10851937/Texas-school-shooter-bullied-clothes-wore-family-poor.html
gravenimage says
I was severely bullied in school (I was a very small white girl with an English accent and clothes from the free bin at social services in an inner city school).
I didn’t want to shoot up my school.
This shooter wasn’t bullied by any of the 4th-graders he murdered. I’m actually pretty tired of this excuse, which is often false in any case.
gravenimage says
If Democrats Cared About School Shootings, They’d Protect Schools
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All true.
Rarely says
Yup. High stone walls with razor wire on top, a few well-armed guards, armed teachers, and x-rays on entering. Perhaps even arming those high school students over 18 yrs old as backup. Maybe a moat. That should do it.
gravenimage says
Actually, having a heavily-armed outsider enter a school is not a good idea at the best of times. You may of course disagree.
wpm says
Having doors that are locked from outside entry ,having an armed guard at the school Having the police trained to handle the shooter quickly( the police were there for over an hour when off duty border police officers went in a took out the shooter) .Having one point of entry .All simple solutions used at many federal, and state public buildings today. Just having a sign stating the school is a gun free zone posted outside ,having many exits unlocked at the start of school has not work out well in the last 30 years or keep any children safe in any of the school shootings. These simple ideas both democrats ,republicans , people who want more gun control, people who do not want more gun control and agree on.
Pray Hard says
More like five or six decades.
Pray Hard says
Although I believe that about 95% of people are too stupid to own guns, have children, have pets and drive I realize that “gun control” will never work. Every gun and bullet in America could be confiscated and destroyed and within a month most would be back, but only in the hands of criminals and terrorists. Furthermore, it would be a green light for our “government” to slaughter us at will and en masse.
Pray Hard says
“drive vehicles”
Vishnujana says
All we get are Excuses and apologetics is for worthless these coward cops. We pay them so much to die to protect the public—especially kids—not to see idly. And they have the audacity to say we can’t protect ourselves with guns. They prove it’s useless to rely on cops as well as useless teachers. Why cops needs to be defunded. We don’t pay you cowards to sit around all day doing nothing—or maybe we do..
Garbage man and firefighter are the only honest government jobs.
They want to insinuate that children can decide to multilateral their genitalia and allegedly become another sex but an 18 year old can’t buy guns… up to the mid-20th century kids brought guns to school all the time as normal and never did we hear of mass shootings. What changed? You’re more likely to be struck by lightning than be in a mass shooting but communists want to disarm you to kill you later as their ideas are intellectually bankrupt; all they know is cheating and violence.
The problem are these degraded failed communist schools headed by glorified babysitter welfare recipients (teachers). Along with useless police are why you pay such high property taxes (which is feudalism. Income and property taxes came much later in American history—modern innovations to enslave you on your own property. You really don’t own it. Give tax credits or deductions to people who pay for a child’s education and privatize it.
In fact If you can’t homeschool your kid you aren’t very educated. It means you can’t keep ahead of a 1-12 grader. It means public schooling failed you.
You wasted your young years so a mediocre Karen could get a big fat paycheck from your property (and Federal!) taxes.
Same people who mocked home-schooling want home schooling now. This wouldn’t happen with widespread homeschooling.
And let people arm themselves. Coward police again stepped down because they are simply greedy mercenaries. Privatize police too or make them all elected like cops (at least elect most of the top brass).
The phrase ‘gun violence’ is also a loaded term. Most crimes are caused by gangs in the inner city. And they never count how many crimes are stopped by guns—just brandishing them have stopped countless crimes. Legalize drugs and you will end most gun deaths.
The constant claims that public schools don’t have enough money does not often hold water. For instance, in Oakland, the average spent per student per year in the public schools is $15,554. The average cost of private school in the region is $15,658 per year–almost identical, and probably a bit less than this in Oakland itself. Yet most private schools have good academic showings, but only a third of pubic school children even read at grade level, and numbers are even worse for math.
If parents work there are homeschooling groups. Khan Academy on-line is a better teacher than these communists. School is the biggest drain on the economy after military (including the overpaid judiciary—mediocre political hacks).
Deposit tears here ?
Infidel says
Khan Academy is an online Communist propaganda platform. I recall watching some years ago a ‘lesson’ about the coup in Chile in the 70’s where Allende was overthrown and replaced by Pinochet, and it read just like it might have been written by Che Guevara
gravenimage says
The constant claims that public schools don’t have enough money does not often hold water. For instance, in Oakland, the average spent per student per year in the public schools is $15,554. The average cost of private school in the region is $15,658 per year–almost identical, and probably a bit less than this in Oakland itself. Yet most private schools have good academic showings, but only a third of pubic school children even read at grade level, and numbers are even worse for math.
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This is the second time this poster has cut and pasted my words without attribution.
Homeschooling is often a good idea, but I’m not sure I’d trust the Khan Academy.
John Scharf says
If a speeder drives 40mph in a 20mph zone and hit a pedestrian there is a 90% kill rate.
If a shooter hits a pedestrian, they have a 68% kill rate.
The driver will get six years in prison and have their driver’s license back in ten.
The shooter might go to prison for life and never legally possess a rifle again.
A car at 40 mph has more destructive energy than a 20mm cannon.
July14th,2016, a 19-tonne truck was deliberately driven into crowds of people celebrating Bastille Day on the Promenade des Anglais in Nice, France, resulting in the deaths of 86 people &injury of 458 others.
Every sane law-abiding citizen should be armed for public safety and national security.
All staff in schools should be sane law-abiding citizens.
If you are not ready and willing to undertake preventing
imminent and otherwise unavoidable danger of death or grave
bodily harm to the innocent, you do not deserve to be protected yourself.
We do not have a criminal or psycho free zone so they make every sane law abiding citizen an inmate without rights by making our homes and streets a prison.