Christians are expected to be subservient and submissive. This is an assumption Ali Abu-Souad derived from Islam, which teaches that non-Muslims in the Islamic state must “pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued” (Qur’an 9:29), and that they are the “most vile of created beings” (Qur’an 98:6) while Muslims are “the best of people” (Qur’an 3:110).
“Coptic Woman Slapped and Verbally Assaulted by Muslim Man,” International Christian Concern, May 3, 2022:
05/03/2022 Egypt (International Christian Concern) – A Muslim man verbally abused and physically assaulted a Coptic Christian woman after she visited the local drugstore during Ramadan without a head covering. On April 21 in Sabak Al-Ahad village, Ashmoun center in Monoufia province, 30-year-old Nevin Sobhi walked into the drugstore to purchase medication for her son who accompanied her.
The pharmacist, an extremist Muslim named Ali Abu-Soaud, angrily asked her “why did you wear this clothing and show your hair off?” and slapped her face. She replied to him “I wear ordinary clothes and it’s not your business!” Abu Soaud then slapped the Christian woman again. Though evident that she was a Christian and therefore not obligated to observe Ramadan’s rules, he slapped her.
The same day, Sobhi went to the police station to file a report and stayed there from 9 PM until 3 AM. She mentioned that “the police officers falsified the quotes of her husband and mother.” Sobhi referenced her experience at the police station as a third slap….
CogitoErgoSum says
Yeah, how would you like having this piece of shit living next door to you? Sorry, but turning the other cheek does not extend to the cheeks of other people as far as I’m concerned. Damn him and his filthy religion to hell. I wish I could slap that smile off his ugly face.
somehistory says
I too wish someone could and would. slap is filthy face and show him that he has no right to assault people who don’t want to worship satan with him.
Fitna says
They won’t learn or listen. They think Allah is the one true god and he thinks he’s carrying out his will and will be rewarded for teaching Christians a lesson.
When you’re outnumbered by your enemy, as Sun Tzu said, it is better to evade them. Christians who are minorities in Muslims states need to high-tail it out of there. They’re living amongst a pack of wild hyenas. Maybe 9/10 might leave you alone, but that last one could end your life.
I’ve said it before Islam is worse than Nazism and it needs to be defeated. Until then we need to do all we can to keep Muslims out of our countries.
Unfortunately with pro-Muslims in power (on both the left and right), they’re making the job infinitely harder because rather than learn from 9/11 and other terrorist attacks, they chose to invite more of the evil bastards into our countries, the exact opposite of the smart thing to do.
I’m sure every single Christian and Jew of the millions that was being genocided by Nazis and Muslims begged and prayed to their god to save them, but he didn’t.
So you can conclude that god has a plan and saving is not one of them or his plan is to let evil people win or he’s not here or he doesn’t exist, take your pick. If your god promised to answer prayers and doesn’t, then you have to have to reason it through to its logical conclusion.
somehistory says
As I have written a couple of times, God has a “time” for what He does and it always works out for the best…even if some can’t see that.
I have had many of my prayers answered…some in very amazing ways, so I’ll keep having faith; even if sometimes I have to “wait for God,” and the answer is not exactly what I expect.
No one has to agree with me for me to keep having faith and trusting my God.
CogitoErgoSum says
I think it’s good advice to avoid Muslims and I would welcome as my neighbor a Christian (or other non-Muslim) refugee from any Muslim hell-hole. I am supposed to be (and I think I am) a good neighbor and I am also supposed to love my enemy but I can only take that as far as not acting with more force than is necessary to defeat my enemy. Maybe I’m not the best Christian for thinking that way but I’m hoping Jesus will understand. I can only hope.
somehistory says
There are different kinds of love. Romantic, familial, philia…friendship…and love based on principle, or based on what is right and just.
when Jesus said to “love your enemies,” He also said that His Father does this by making it “rain” and the “sunshine” on both the “righteous and the unrighteous.”
Jesus said that is the ‘way’ we are to ‘love’ our enemies.
we don’t go out and do bad things to people we don’t like. Refuse service to someone based on not liking them, etc.
this is proven by the verses in Proverbs that says, “There are six things Jehovah does hate, seven things are detestable to His Soul.” and then it names them…all parts of the human body…hands shedding innocent blood, lips/tongues speaking lies, mouth bearing false witness, feet hurrying to commit evil, hearts thinking up evil schemes, haughty eyes and people who stir up contention…
It certainly looks like all of those are exactly what mozlums do. It’s okay to hate those things…in fact, the Bible says to hate what God hates.
We just don’t go out there and attack them as they attack us. We treat them so much better.
CogitoErgoSum says
Yes, I would not purposely treat a Muslim badly just for being a Muslim but I can’t stand watching someone being bullied without wanting to give the bully a taste of his own medicine. Fortunately I hardly ever see such a thing happening in my neighborhood. I want it to stay that way.
somehistory says
I’ve had a number of “experiences’ with mozlums, but never have mistreated any of them. Not to say that when I read of such things as this happening, if it happened in front of me, the outcome wouldn’t be different, I’m thinking.
I hope to never be close enough to another one to have any ‘reaction.’
john says
+1 Remember, Trump had Islamic immigration down 99%. Biden opened the flood gates again.
Fitna says
SH, it’s cold comfort for those who rotted in concentration camps, got gassed, beaten, tortured to death, experimented on by Nazis. Families being torn apart, homes looted, women raped, etc. Does he have time for orphaned, abandoned children who are later sexually abused?
But your god has his perfect ‘time’ for you apparently. Helping you find your car keys, landing that promotion, getting your future wife. It’s interesting to me how some Christians thinks god makes such contributions in their own lives but seemingly ignores billions of other people who are suffering on a daily basis.
Maybe he’s just a god of the middle-class, doesn’t like to get his hands dirty with the peons or the ones really suffering.
Perhaps you might never change your beliefs but aren’t you the least bit curious as to why your god helps you with the petty concerns in you life but let’s millions of others suffer terribly before they die?
As for the ‘time’ point, I think when one’s body is damaged because of evil humans, that time to help has long past, unless you believe they’ll go to heaven and so they’re suffering is worth it. I’d rather not suffer and I’ll pass on heaven.
If I saw a man trying to rape kids, I’d do something about it, while your god stands by and lets it happen. That’s the difference between me and your god. An all loving, knowing and caring god would never allow such a thing to happen. If he does he’s evil, impotent or has a terrible plan or as I said, is not real.
Just offering a different read on such events.
somehistory says
fitna,
be snarky.
I have had much more serious things than looking for my car keys or getting a job promotion as subjects of my prayers.
In your world, none of those dead will ever have life again. In the promises of the Bible and my God, they will live…”the real life” and won’t even remember those awful things that happened.
In your world, there is nothing,,,,zero…coming in the future. If a person doesn’t have the “perfect” life now, too bad, because in your world, that is all there is.
In the Bible, we are promised a life eternal in perfection…no evil, no sickness, no pain and never anyone dying.
I’ve read the personal accounts of people who managed to live through what hitler had done, and those who relied on my God, never lost their faith in Him; even those who saw their family members die in horrible ways. Faith is not something we make a bargain over.
I feel sorry for honest people who have none. But I’m not going to waste my time telling you of things I have been through…far from being “petty,” but I know it wouldn’t make a bit of difference to you.
CogitoErgoSum says
To me it doesn’t make any sense to say that an all powerful and eternal god who exists outside of time does not have the time to do certain things. Time holds no meaning for such a being. As for why this god would do certain things for some but not for others is missing the point that this god operates on a level beyond our understanding. The god in my life is beyond my understanding. I’ve asked for certain things to happen in my life and when they didn’t turn out the way I wanted I felt that believing in any kind of a god was a complete waste of time. But now, after many years have passed, I can see that some of the things I had wanted were really not things I should have wanted at all and now I am glad my wishes did not come true. So maybe my god really was looking out for me. Anyway, I think it’s all about time and time is something that applies in this world but not in the world beyond this one. Death is not the end of us and what may seem so terrible now will be revealed to be not so terrible later. That’s what I think anyway. But you can think whatever you want to think because I think the god I believe in wants us to be that way – each of us individual and unique and with the ability to think on our own and come to an understanding of what is good and what is evil.
CogitoErgoSum says
By the way, Fitna, why would you want to pass on Heaven? I realize that we don’t really have much information about what Heaven is like but from what I’ve heard it’s supposed to be a lot better than anything in this life. But yeah, it could be that complete oblivion may be a choice that is available. At least it would be better than Hell. Anything is possible, I suppose.
Fitna says
SH, it’s not ‘snark’ it’s called using rhetoric, like irony and sarcasm to help you see the greater point that I’m making here and one that you insist on evading.
Sure you might’ve faced tough challenges and thought a god helped you through it, but again why should he help you but not the innocent Jews in concentration camps? Are they not more deserving of his help?
Then you make excuses like he has his “own time.” So maybe ‘suffering’ is just another word to you like sky, it has no meaning.
It seems you’re detached from reality, you talk about “my world” but it’s the exact same one you live in.
You imagine there is a god, without evidence, then an afterlife without evidence, then paradise and punishment, etc for bad people.
You gloss over real suffering. Oh its ok if Jews, Christians, non-Aryans were tortured for years then killed, because god will magically fix it all.
Then why should anyone oppose evil? Just such it up and take your freezing cold, boiling hot showers, take the whippings and other things I won’t describe that those people suffered because in the end you go to a magical la-la land where there’s rainbows and lollipops are everywhere.
You oppose Islam, but by your argument, you should just relax, let Muslims take over the world because you’re going to a better place anyways.
As Matt Dillahunty once described it, Christians see this world as a dirty doormat that you wipe your shoes on and a better ‘real’ life is coming.
Well my friend this is the only reality that you and I know of. All you think exists comes from a book of fairy tales written by goat-herders from a pre-scientific age.
This is why we atheists believe this is the one and only life we get and we do what we can to leave a better world behind because there is no other world. Until you have evidence.
So this is why the Christian ethos is so confusing to me and I’m sure to Christians themselves. Love your enemies, turn the other cheek but then fight them? What? End Islam but don’t bother since you’re going to heaven, huh?
However I think fortunately there are some Christians who realize that it is better to oppose Islam, even if you’re going to heaven because it is an evil ideology. I hope all non-Muslims agree one day to defeat this death cult, whatever their beliefs.
I think I already made myself clear that I respect you, I’m challenging your ideas. But if you want to twist my words to play victim and paint me as the ‘bad guy’ then so be it.
Fitna says
CogitoES,
I’ll try to reply later on, it’s late here and I’m signing off, cheers.
somehistory says
fitna
snark is also a show of disrespect, which by assigning me to only have “petty” problems and not valuable ..of less worth…less “deserving” than the Jews who suffered in the holocaust…you showed.
I’ve never assigned anyone as less “deserving” than I am. God chooses how He helps, who He helps and when He helps.
who are you…a simple human…to decide who is “more deserving” than another?
What is more, can you prove that all of those Jews…and others…who died then actually prayed to keep on living and to escape what was happening to them?
can you say for certain about what each one prayed? Jesus prayed that God would allow the “cup to pass” …if God willed, but if not, that He be able to continue doing God’s Will…and not His own.
If those Jews all prayed to “endure” with faith, how would you know if their prayers were answered or not? Praying for God’s Will is common to those with faith.
And, because I say what the Bible says about “waiting” and praying as Jesus and other verses tell me, You proclaim that I don’t care about the “suffering” of others.
You want an answer as to Why God hasn’t acted, but you don’t ask Him “why”…you ask me and then mock and belittle my responses.
You can’t possibly know for what I pray for; if or how much I “care” about the suffering of others, or anything else that I have not expressed.
I don’t see myself as a victim, and I know that is how you would take it if I related all of the “suffering’ that has occurred in my life.
I see myself as blessed because I know and trust my God to do as He promised, even when some of my prayers…like CES expressed about some of his….were not answered. He does what is best for everyone who calls on Him. Sometimes, it means that we don’t get what we think we need or get it when we think we need it.
I have no control over what God does or doesn’t do for people in their circumstances. I don’t have all of the answers to questions I have and can’t possibly give another person…esp one who does not even believe in God…answers to their questions as to why He does for one and not another.
But, perhaps they don’t ask, or perhaps there is some other reason.
If you don’t like my responses, ask God.
And, I believe the proof of God is in His creation, and in His Word, and in my life. whether that makes you happy or not. I don’t think anything will make an atheist happy.
somehistory says
For example…which since it’s in the Bible, and you call it fantasy, …Peter asked Jesus what his destiny would be since Jesus had indicated that John would have a special assignment, and Jesus told Peter that someone “would lead him where he did not wish to go.” Peter was murdered for his faith, as was Stephen and James. John lived longer than any of the others, but spent his last years in prison.
This has been the case….God keeping some safe, while allowing others to die…for all of the history of the Jews and those who led up to them. And for all of mankind since then. He alone knows exactly why.
Fitna says
SH,
I think some believers tend to be overly sensitive and take every discussion as some kind of personal slight, which it isn’t. You need to realize you are not your ideas/beliefs.
If I say some of the ideas you hold are silly, for example to believe in an afterlife without one shred of evidence, that is not an insult against you but the ideas. I’ll leave that for you to ponder.
You don’t see it but you’re making all kinds of excuses as to why God does good things for you and not the Jews during the Holocaust.
Notice I never said you don’t deserve God’s help, I said that a person in a concentration camp needs it more than you…is that not a true stmt? I’m not judging that’s an objective fact anyone can understand.
Then you admit you don’t really know why god makes the choices he does. But you can clearly see a decent human being would try to save a fellow human being if they were in a bad situation.
If you saw a person drowning and you could help, would you wait till they ‘pray to you?’ And then walk away if they didn’t? What kind of all loving God does that? Oh well Gaby in the Nazi camp didn’t pray to me so why should I do anything for him? lol
You make all kinds of excuses for god because you know his behavior contradicts the claims about him. It’s kind of like two siblings where the parents favorite one child while abusing the other child and making him suffer. You make excuses for those parents rather than admit they’re unfair, evil and unfit to parent.
If I was god, I’d have wiped out the Nazis and Muslims, rather than allow them to harm others. There’s no master plan here we mere mortals don’t understand. Like I said the only options are if your god exists, is that he is:
1-powerless to do anything
2-made the universe and left and doesn’t meddle in human affairs
3-he’s either malevolent or apathetic or a psychopath
4-he’s not real, does not exist
Lastly if god has a plan, then prayer is meaningless since he won’t change his plan for you, even if you beg.
His plan was to let millions of innocents die during WW2 for example…do you not think millions of Jews/Christians prayed and begged your god at the time? Where did that get them?
The bottom line here is that it’s up to us humans to end Islam, since your god has proven through past wars he doesn’t really care. If you’re rather be a pacifist and let muslims take over and kill all the non-Muslims or force them to convert, that’s up to you.
But those of us who care about freedom and our way of life, whatever their religion or political views will need to unite and work to defeat Islam, rather than count on an imaginary, invisible sky man.
somehistory says
And, fitna,
you make all kinds of assumptions when you don’t really know me …basing your assumptions on your own experiences and those perhaps of your past relationships when you considered yourself a Christian.
Since you have decided there is no God…without any evidence to make that claim…you feel it’s up to you to convince others that do still believe, that you are right and they are wrong.
I never said that I am worse off than the Jews…now mostly all dead, either then or having aged to old age, nor that my situation has ever been that bad. And, again, I’m not going to give you any personal information about what I may have suffered or had to endure.
I am what I believe. I have no life without my reliance on God.
what is more, you referenced heaven as if I had said I wanted to go and get away from all that is happening here on earth.
Just look at all my comments and you will never see one time….not once…have I said anything about going to heaven and getting away from what is happening here. Not once.
You can call my belies silly if you wish…that is your right to the freedom of expression and thought. My thinking about your athieism….your non-belief is foolish in the extreme.
mankind will never eliminate evil….islam may go down as the axetecs, the worships of ba’al, the worship of molech, and other horrific practices, but mankind will still be stuck with evil and the source of that evil until God gets rid of it.
and I’m not “making excuses” for God having a time of action, a time He set thousands of years ago….think about…had he rid the earth of satan in the Garden, you and I wouldn’t be here. Nor would anyone else.
He gives people a choice. Each one will answer for his choices. And I’m fine with mine
somehistory says
My pc posted while I was writing, for some odd reason.
God is not a “man”…not a “sky man” and will one day, prove His existence and His abundant Love for mankind.
People like to put themselves as judges against God…even those who believe there is a God…deciding what He should do, what He should have done, and what they would do if they were God.
Since no human is God, no human can really know what he would do if he had the Power and the Authority of God.
I don’t think that governments should allow mozlums to do as they please, where they please and when they please. But man will not be able to rid this earth of evil.
gravenimage says
The Christian view is that humans have free will, to do good or evil.
Fitna says
CogitoES
“god operates on a level beyond our understanding.”
You do realize that’s just a dodge right? You see suffering in the world and supposedly your God is loving and caring, but you don’t see him doing anything to stop that suffering.
Rather than question if such a god could even exist, you make excuses, like all believers. “He has a plan, he does things in his own time, our puny brains can’t understand why an all powerful being ignores our suffering..etc.”
The answer is very simple but you don’t want to accept it. God is either evil, absent, apathetic, powerless or non-existent.
This doesn’t require a genius to figure out. Would you not save someone from suffering if you could? If you’re a good person ofc you would. Any plan that needs millions of innocents to suffer and die horribly is a terrible plan.
If God is going to take them to heaven anyways, why not skip the torture, suffering, starvation and killing part? What is there to learn from being beaten to death?
Heaven and Hell are just imaginary projections of reality. People extrapolate their experiences and imagine a paradise and a terrible place where people supposedly go.
Recall none of these ideas have any basis in reality. They’re nothing but claims repeated over and over so people think they’re real.
You took my point out of context, I was saying I’d rather not experience any suffering if it means giving up the chance to go to heaven.
Suffering is a terrible thing and only those who’ve experienced it would understand. Since this is the only life we know of, then we want to maximize happiness for people on Earth and minimize or end suffering and pain as much as possible.
This is why I am fiercely opposed to fascist ideologies like Islam and Nazism for example. Because all they do is cause horrendous suffering on a massive scale.
This is also why I’m disappointed by some theists who don’t really care about other humans’ suffering and think a magic skyman is going to set everything right after. Well first show me your god exists and then we’ll see if any of those claims are true. Otherwise its up to us humans to defeat evils in this world like Islam.
Thus far all we know is that these are man made texts and claims about superbeings but no actual proof is ever provided. Would you hand cash over to someone who claims he has an amazing car in a back alley, without ever seeing and testing it? Why suspend logic and common sense when it comes to god claims?
John Lloyd Scharf says
Obviously, the faces of happy Christian women is beyond his ability to resist molesting them. The answer is not to put a bag over her face, but to put a bag over his. A black plastic bag with a tie at the bottom. If the smell of her makes him react, just pull the tie shut at the bottom so no air gets in.
Fitna says
JLS, some retarded Lefties actually believe that Muslims can somehow be civilized and taught to respect women.
As every effort by western nations like de-radicalization programs, have been shown to be utter failures, they need to focus on containment, isolation and even elimination.
The Chinese are trying a more aggressive approach typical of authoritarian regimes, to basically de-brainwash their Muslims at reeducation camps. That’s the only thing that might work, but why waste all that money, time, resources on these savages?
If there are 1 million Osama bin Ladens/terrorists trying to abuse 1 Christian or non-Muslim woman, I think it’s better to eradicate those terrorists and make the world safer for her and the rest of us.
somehistory says
I pray that the True God of the Bible will give this filth…he is not a “man,” he is a sack of maggot dung…exactly what he deserves…and soon. And the ‘police’ who didn’t help the victim of the assault, will also receive their just desserts.
Black Sabbath says
This guy looks like a mummy …from old horror movies…
Fitna says
Muslims are a bunch of zombies and Orcs.
The vast majority of them are ugly asf….and the rare good looking ones are evil on the inside. I’ve seen pretty Muslim girls call for the genocide of Jews.
So to me if you act like a civilized human then you deserve to be respected. If you belong to a cult of hate and mass murder, you’re like a rabid animal that needs to be disposed of.
gravenimage says
Egypt: Muslim berates, slaps Christian woman for not wearing hijab
The same day, Sobhi went to the police station to file a report and stayed there from 9 PM until 3 AM. She mentioned that “the police officers falsified the quotes of her husband and mother.”
…………..
Horrible, but this does not surprise–neither the initial assault nor the complicity of the police.
Fitna says
Sadly true Graven, any Islamic state is the worst place to be for any female whatever her religion.
gravenimage says
Grimy spot on, Fitna.
Fitna says
+10
OLD GUY says
Don’t touch a muslim women or ask her to remove her hijab, the muslim world will go nuts along with the western media. But a muslim man can beat, rape and murder a young non-muslim or muslim female and thats back page news. Do the Saudi’s own everything?
Tony says
Sheikh Robert Spencer is the one quoting the Quran to lie to his Christian brethren. The same happens in nonmuslim countries. Can you please quote those Bible verses.
gravenimage says
Note that “Tony” here–really, Abdul–doesn’t say how Robert Spencer citing Qur’anic Suras is “lying”. This does not surprise. And anyone can read “The Critical Qur’an” and his other Qur’anic scholarship, including Muslims. Abdul here might try it himself.
Then, it is significant that he has not a word of criticism for his pious coreligionist in Egypt assaulting this Christian woman–but then, why would he? Islam calls for the Infidels to be brutalized and humiliated.
Then, the implication that the Bible teaches violence against nonbelievers is quite false–citations, please.
I won’t be holding my breath, of course, because Abdul here has got nothing.