It’s one thing to declare that you’re not going to read books by white people or listen to music by white people, a popular racist woke trend, but if you’re going to get rid of white people in religion, you may want to consider switching religions.
A church in suburban Chicago has told parishioners it will abstain from performing any music that is associated with White people during the season of Lent.
“In our worship services throughout Lent, we will not be using any music or liturgy written or composed by white people,” the website for the First United Church of Oak Park reads. “Our music will be drawn from the African American spirituals tradition, from South African freedom songs, from Native American traditions, and many, many more.”
Have they found a bible drawn from South Africa yet?
If you’re going to hate white people, just consider converting to Animism, Buddhism, or any number of religions that have nothing to do with white people.
Dumping hymns written by white people while keeping the bible is not terribly consistent.
Both the church office and head pastor John Edgerton, who is a white male…
Maybe they should do something about that.
PRCS says
“Both the church office and head pastor John Edgerton, who is a white male…
Maybe they should do something about that.”
Beware the many ides of Lent, pastor Edgerton.
Mount Zion says
And also , Israel is officially an asean country that means the bible wasn’t really written by white people and that Jesus wasn’t white .
So you are definitely right , get rid of John Edgerton and replace him with a pastor of some other heritage .
It’s just insane , if Jesus would still be phisically on earth would he really preach that we shouldn’t use any music or liturgy written or composed by white people ? The message of the gospel is to create bridges and not division , whoever advocates not to use liturgy or music by a certain ethnic group is basically a racist and does not have the love of the Father within himself .
gravenimage says
The problem with John Edgerton is not his heritage, but his appalling ideology.
Mount Zion says
To replace him was meant ironically .
gravenimage says
OK. Mount Zion. 🙂
GFF says
“Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me
I once was lost, but now am found
Was blind but now I see …”
May I humbly suggest we get hard copies before John Newton is expunged from history.
somehistory says
Another beautiful song: “Silent night, holy night. …All is calm, all is bright.” (Gruber and Mohr)
” It was declared an intangible cultural heritage by UNESCO in 2011. ”
so many songs were composed by White men, and many of them enjoyed by Whites, Blacks and all “colors” in between for centuries.
gravenimage says
Yes–beautiful music, GFF and Somehistory.
somehistory says
At Christmas time, they are going to find it tough to eliminate all music written by White people and still feel the same “seasonal” “goodwill toward men.”
Of course, none of what they are doing in this is “goodwill.” It’s all meant to bring down those with whom they disagree; and anyone who reads the Bible would know it “does not compute.”
As Mr. Greenfield writes, “while keeping the bible”….”Keeping the Bible,” but evidently not reading, studying, believing or following what it says….Useless.
And as Mr. Greenfield says, maybe they should change their religion. They aren’t following Christ. They are following “oak park.”
raja says
Somehistory,
You are right, those not obeying Christ should leave Christianity and join some communist club as they are useless to themselves and to the world at large.
PRCS says
Yes, Christians who are not obeying Christ should leave Christianity.
So, having left Christianity during my high school years and having spent 21 years on active military duty, how exactly am I–an atheist–useless to myself and the world at large, and for what effing reason should I join some communist club?
There are plenty of bigots, everywhere–around the world–and IMO, you are one of them.
James Lincoln says
PRCS,
From a devout Christian:
First and foremost, thank you for your military service.
I have friends who are agnostics and atheists – and are true American patriots who love our country and the system of government laid down by our Founding Fathers.
Judging by your posts, you are an very intelligent American patriot.
gravenimage says
Agreed, PRCS and James. There are many patriotic Agnostics and Atheists here, including frequent contributor Hugh Fitzgerald and many posters.
Don McKellar says
Was the Bible written by “white people”? Aren’t all the people who wrote the Bible non-European Semites? I can’t pretend to know what lunacy goes through a woke brain, but it seems to be “white people” are Europeans. Am I wrong on this?
raja says
Don,
This is another lie of the wokes. What has bible to do with white people? Were all the 12 disciples / apostles of Christ whites? All the preservation of the bible done by the Church elders whites? These lunatics who called themselves wokes are too stupid to even talk sense, such is their level of immaturity.
Don McKellar says
Exactly.
gravenimage says
+1
Don McKellar says
Was the Bible written by “white people”? Aren’t all the people who wrote the Bible non-Europeans from the Middle East? I can’t pretend to know what lunacy goes through a woke brain, but it seems to be “white people” are Europeans. Am I wrong on this?
PRCS says
The headline is misleading:
“Woke Church Won’t Use Hymns Written by White People, Will Still Use Bible Written By White People”
As you note, the Bible was not written by white people.
The first part of that headline–the overtly stupid decision to not perform music associated with white people–is accurate.
john smith says
All races including whites have done bad things, yet whites are the most vilified of all. In spite of their many achievements they are still hated.
P.S. I am to ashamed to say what colour I am.
somehistory says
John,
some people in the U.S. like to vilify White people for what was done when they came here and fought Native Americans…who had been fighting and killing each other.
Not quite two weeks ago, a Tribal Member…he showed me his card…was comparing the color of his skin to mine and asking me about my ancestors. (He was moving into the building.) He guessed Irish and French, and I told him those two and German and Scott and a little bit of Native American from a great grandmother.
A few days later, he was asking me to go to the movies with him and telling me how beautiful I am.
It’s all in the mindset of the person who has the loudest voice. And many loud voices are screaming that Whites are the only bad guys and if we didn’t exist any longer, they would be so much better off and everything would go along smooth and fine.
No one should be ashamed to say what color he is. God made all of the colors of skin, just as He made all of the colors of flowers, birds, etc.
Devasur says
So did the Europeans who were fighting with each other. Does that justify wiping out Europeans from the face of the earth and you wonder why the conservatives are losing?
Wellington says
I agree with all you wrote except your “P.S.”
I am white too and I will NEVER be ashamed of my race. And those who differ from me, I say to all of them, whether non-white racists or whites who have been told to hate themselves, screw you, grow up and learn history.
James Lincoln says
+100
raja says
John Smith,
Please don’t fall in the trap of these wokes. They are just rampaging around the world claiming to give great ideas to the world but are doing just the opposite. The want to challenge every established norm of at least several millennium and destroy any sense of order left in the globe. They are the fountainhead of hate for xyz illusions. They are from the devil just like the Islamic terrorists.
gravenimage says
Dear John, you have *nothing* to be ashamed of–that’s how these “woke” thugs *want* you to feel.
john smith says
To All The Above Who Commented To Me
Of course I’m not really ashamed of being white, I just made that comment because that is the way many believe we should feel.
In other words never take john smith seriously.
gravenimage says
So true, John.
somehistory says
I think you don’t believe that last line, John. so, neither will I.
I’m glad you aren’t really ashamed to say White.
Infidel says
Last night, on Rob Schmitt’s ‘News from the Left’ segment on Newsmax, they covered this story. Rob showed a clip of the congregation of this church sitting in the garden of this church, and they were all a bunch of WHITE geezers. Not a single Black person among them!
Ain’t woke grand?
somehistory says
When a person hate’s the self, that is mental illness. These “geezers” are likely afraid of what the rest of the country…haters among them…will do if they don’t behave in this mentally ill fashion.
raja says
Infidel,
The Western elites don’t care for the survival of their own as they are too glued to globalization et al.
Self loathing sounds grand but it comes with a price. Isn’t there some pride in telling the world that they are better than others in being so rebellious against the system?
Pride goes before fall, these self proclaimed righteous will pay for their grandstanding subterfuge.
James Lincoln says
Karl Friedrich Benz, a white guy, invented the first practical automobile.
Now, will the First United Church of Oak Park allow parishioners to bring their “white invented” cars to church on Sunday?
How far does this insanity go?
somehistory says
His grandson was a counselor in a school I attended. He was like a father to me. Very nice man.
But since he was White, in the minds of these idiots, that’s a bad thing.
James Lincoln says
Sometimes it’s a small world, somehistory.
somehistory says
It sure is, sometimes, James.
somehistory says
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/chicago-area-church-called-out-for-fasting-from-whiteness-for-lent-wokeness-gone-mad/ar-
“Boston Rev. Eugene Rivers III, director of the Seymour Institute, called out “wokeness gone mad” Thursday on “Fox & Friends” after a church in suburban Chicago announced they would be “fasting from whiteness” during Lent.”
He is not White.
Wellington says
Woke churches are not true Christian churches. This is my bottom line and I am not deviating from it.
somehistory says
You wrote the Truth and I’m glad you’re not deviating.
they can call it whatever they wish, but it shows by its fruits that they produce, it is nowhere near what Christ taught and what the Bible says came to be called Cristian “by Divine Providence.” (Acts 11:26)
somehistory says
Christian. sorry for the typo.
gravenimage says
+1
James Lincoln says
100% true, Wellington.
100%.
Keith O says
If anything, this is the epitome of hypocrisy.
I do have a concern about this article, in that the writer states, ” If your going to hate white people, just consider converting to Animism, Buddhism, or any number of religions that have nothing to do with white people”.
1. Animism/ Paganism & Buddhism are not religions but a way of life that provides a code of conduct for our behaviour.
2. Animism/ Paganism & Buddhism are two of the most peaceful practices on the face of the earth and both abhor violence and hatred.
3. I was always taught that religion is about a belief in a deity or a god and has nothing to do with sin colour or ethnicity.
4. Any “church” that promotes this sort of hatred needs to have a good long look at itself and those who are leading it.
Infidel says
Buddhism is very much a religion. Buddhist temples in Thailand, Cambodia and other countries include idols of Buddha, who is worshiped. Also, Buddha himself claimed to be the incarnation of Vishnu, one of the members of the Hindu trinity, so the idea that the religion he founded was an atheist religion is actually groundless. Yeah, Buddhism is heavy into philosophical concepts and did influence some major changes in the Vedic religion as practiced until then – mainly in getting rid of animal sacrifices, but there is little to suggest that it rejects the idea of a deity
Also, while Buddhism does abhor hatred, it does not forbid violence against those initiating the violence. Which explains why Burma and Sri Lanka – both Buddhist countries – have been the only 2 countries effectively combating islam
Keith O says
Mate, the hardest part of this reply was keeping the missus, who is a devout Buddhist away from the keyboard.
She “calmly” reminded me that they don’t worship Lord Buddha, he is venerated and that he never claimed to be the reincarnation of Vishnu.
The statues of Buddha in the “temples” are simply used as a means of inspiring devotees to attain enlightenment & the temples themselves are what would be considered seminary’s within Christianity.
PS, I won’t make the mistake of reading out someone’s reply again, the ears are still burning.
Devasur says
He did claim to be Lord Rama (Incarnation of Vishnu), so you are wrong here. Buddhism is no different from any sects of Hinduism. Western scholars made it a separate religion and projected it to be the opposite of Hinduism.
Infidel says
Actually, Devasur, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism are different from Hinduism in that they replace Vedic and Puranic scriptures w/ other literature written by their founders or leading scholars. Actually, the best way to look at Dharmaic faiths is by sect – Vaishnav, Shaivya, Shakta, Smarta, Digamvara, Sitamvara, Mahayana, Theravada, Vajrayana, Sikhism (doesn’t have any sub-sects). And since there is no ‘First Commandment’ in Dharmaic faiths, one can be in the intersection of any number of those faiths
But it is accurate that people of countries like Mongolia, Korea, Japan or Vietnam who follow Buddhism are not Hindus by any definition
gravenimage says
Woke Church Won’t Use Hymns Written by White People, Will Still Use Bible Written By White People
………………….
Well, the apostles were not exactly white–but as the “woke” have it Jews are now considered white people…
somehistory says
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/too-white-looking-ccu-facing-unique-racial-discrimination-complaint-by-ex-employee/ar-AAVYV3s?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=
“Too white-looking? CCU facing unique racial discrimination complaint by ex-employee”
gravenimage says
Appalling, Somehistory. Thanks for that link.
somehistory says
You’re welcome, g. It’s like a tumor that is spreading quickly.
gravenimage says
Yes–I’m amazed at how bad things are getting this fast.
Roland says
Hold on. They’re gonna produce a new, improved Bible!
LameBear says
They did!
The KJB …… look where that got us.
gravenimage says
Do you mean the King James Version of the Bible? This is usually referred to as KJV.
This is *not* a new Bible as you appear to believe, LameBear. This is a *translation* of the Bible. I find it a particularly beautiful one, but if you compare translations of the Bible you will find that they are all very similar, with just slight differences in phrasing.
somehistory says
well, they did do a *re-write* years ago to satisfy some of the female pop who objected to God and the word “He” and “our Father”…so, it would not surprise me if they did do another fake one.