Great back and forth. And yes, I will definitely be ordering a copy of the critical Koran (sorry for my old-fashioned spelling but then I still pronounce Kiev as two syllables and still use the spelling “Peking” rather than “Beijing”).
The “effort” to combat all the many troublesome aspects that the Koran puts forth must be a never ending effort. No one has done more in this direction than has Robert Spencer, though I would add that Bosch Fawstin’s many artistic drawings have “done their bit” as well and then some.
Whatever it takes. This should always be the bottom line against iniquity, especially when it’s masquerading or posing as something good, which Islam has done for 1400 years now and it is way overdue for this giant lie to end.
Trishsays
Good comment ❣️
Ever since I got a new tablet I can’t get into any of my accounts. I can’t even post this comment.
gravenimagesays
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Video: Bosch Fawstin, Andrew Bernstein and Robert Spencer on the War Against the West
……………..
I’m really looking forward to “The Critical Qur’an”–even though I have read that ugly book five times now. Once more into the breech…
And Robert Spencer is sadly right about the Left’s frequent enabling of Islam.
And Andrew Bernstein is right that it has been a long time since the left was a defendent of freedom of speech.
So true that opposing Jihad has *nothing* to do with race.
Cancel culture is out of control. A man burns the Qur’an years ago, then has his rech fry stand closed, then is fired by Uber–things that have nothing to do with one’s views on Islam *at all*. They just don’t want anyone critical of Islam to even be able to make a living. *Chilling*.
I am actually for equal rights for gay people–but the idea of Disney films having half gay characters is just nuts–this is not based on any kind of reaiity. The real number is at most about 5%–and transgender (even if you assume this is a valid thing) just .5% identify as trans. So this is clearly nothing but a political agenda.
As for the Will Smith assault on Chris Rock, if assaults on comic or other speakers are allowed, then no one is safe. This is very much relevant to the issues of free speech and Jihad–after all, Muslims attack and murder people because they are “offended” by any criticism of Islam or the “Prophet”.
Bosch Fawstin is quite right here.
I’ve seen the first half hour of this video.
gravenimagesays
And the claim that criticizing the violence of Islam leads to violence–just grotesque calumny.
And yes–our telling the truth is our greatest strength.
And this suicidal madness from the left is as dangerous as Islam–and enables it. And few dare to question this.
Agree about Hollywood in the 1930s and ’40s–generally a great period in film. So often there is an element of characters finding the courage to stand up for their values.
gregbeethamsays
I tried watching it but the sound was so distorted it wasn’t worth watching.
gravenimagesays
The sound is bad for Robert Spencer’s feed for less than a minute, Greg, then it is fixed.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)says
No, Robert Spencer’s voice is muffled no matter at what time-stamp you listen to this video.
gravenimagesays
I found it pretty mild, Mark, and I don’t have the best hearing–but others may of course disagree.
Fitnasays
Graven is correct, it’s only in the beginning and sometimes when there’s cross-talk, but otherwise the sound quality is very good. I’m about half-way through and will watch the rest when I find some time.
My only gripe is that Robert has a limited following of those of us who are informed on Islam. I wish there were millions of followers around the world that were also tuning in.
That’s the only way we can defeat this evil ideology. In the 1930s there was a resistance movement against Nazism, but they failed due to their small size and then it took WW2 to stop them.
Hopefully in time our numbers will grow so that we can help wake up the masses to today’s fascism, Islam, and hopefully avoid WW3.
gregbeethamsays
Unfortunately half the population is off with the fairies, the frivolous lefties are incapable of sorting priorities because their brains seem to have been hijacked by useless rubbish and the Islamic movements are taking advantage and forming alliances with those dimwits to insinuate themselves into positions of influence and the lefties don’t see the danger because they are so stupid and ignorant.
I don’t think they will wake up until it is far too late so we will probably repeat the same mistakes the weasels made in 1930-40. Once you have growing authoritarianism individuals in the general population become more reluctant to stand out in the crowd trying to raise an alert because they will get picked off one by one. It is happening now actually but so far getting cancelled means you might only loose you job not your life.
At the moment we have the silencing of any dissent by the social media giants but how long will it be before pre dawn raids on antisocial elements by totalitarian goons begin under the pretext of restoring order. (Lefties love oppressive order and control and Muslims love the same but with them you add fundamentalist religious persecution, the lefties will go the way of the Dodo and they won’t even see it coming)
gravenimagesays
There are a *few* liberals who are waking up–I hope we see more of them.
somehistorysays
Cancel culture is really cancel Truth…about anything and everything.
It’s a bizarro world where everything is opposite to its reality. (Isaiah 5:20)
Terry Jones was even condemned by general petraeous…who was touted as a great guy, fully American, a fighter for freedom, but he didn’t stand up for the freedom of an individual who saw the evil in islam. If Terry Jones had burned the American flag, he would have had protection because the supreme court decided a long time ago that it was “free speech” to burn a flag. but, petraeous and others said Pastor Jones didn’t have the freedom to burn a book of filth and evil commands, that when followed, means no American, or any other nationality, would have any freedom.
some employees of Disney World were recently arrested for trafficking in humans for sex. Now, it comes out, openly, how the people in charge there are all for corrupting the children…all children. If the can do so through cartoons kids like to watch, and many parents will allow because they are busy with other things and don’t realize what is being presented through these shows.
The new law in Florida, signed by Gov. De Santis, to protect children from the perversions of those who want to make kids something they are not, is being called by the “left” “Don’t say gay,”
This is a lie…a big evil fat one. The law is to keep little kids before the age of entering fourth grade, from being told about homosexuals and the whole lie of ‘gender’ stuff by teachers.
If the parents want to tell the kids about such things, that is not in the law, but the teachers won’t be able to freely discuss the perversions. Nor get the kids to believe they are not who they are at all.
One homosexual guy has complained that he won’t be able to show his ‘love’ of the kids by talking about what he and his ‘partner’ do on the weekends, and other such things.
They are making inroads every day, even though they said when they wanted the laws changed…as the one in Texas was struck down,…that they just wanted to be free to ‘practice their lifestyle in privacy in the bedrooms.’ Now, the truth has been revealed and they want to practice their ‘lifestyle’ on the little kids over whom they have some authority.
satan is behind all of this..islam and what the tyrants are doing to corrupt all of humanity, what the purveyors of filth are attempting…and largely succeeding…to do to the entire world of people.
It can’t, and it won’t, continue for very much longer.
somehistorysays
Key Largo, one of my all-time favorites. Witness for the Prosecution is pretty good, too.
Old movies actually had some moral lessons, unlike those made today.
The ones today are all about immorality in its many forms; and presented as what all should do to be tough, strong, beautiful and ‘in charge’…to win.
Here’s a summary of what isn’t allowed on Twitter, according to their safety policies.
Threatening violence against someone or a group of people
Celebrating or praising violence
Harassing someone or encouraging people to harass someone
Wishing harm on someone
Promoting violence, threatening, or harassing people because of their identity (like race or gender)
Promoting or encouraging suicide or self-harm
Images or videos that show sexual violence and assault
Child sexual exploitation
Threatening or promoting terrorism or violent extremism.
Therefore no Mohammadan should be allowed on Twitter.
gravenimagesays
And Bosch Fawstin is right that the hatred of Ayn Rand is just off the charts–this goes *way* beyond literary criticism. Leftists become unhinged even thinking about her.
And there is lot of disturbing stuff going on in the schools–especially “Critical Race Theaory” making white kids feel unearned guilt and believing they are intrinsically racist. Just child abuse. And CRT of course grew out of Communist “Critical Theory”.
As for Islam, I think this is much the same as Leftists falling all over violent criminals, especially the most vicious murderers on death row. Violent “third worlders” are very much the same–most especially Muslims.
And what kind of society would we be with police *banned*? Criminals would run riot–which seems to be what many hard Leftists want.
What would this do to groups like women and blacks? But as noted, there is no concern for individual rights. But then, a Supreme Court nominee pretends that she cannot even idenify what a woman is.
And they are right–things have gotten so much worse so much faster than I ever would have thought possible–just chilling.
This *is* an attack on America and her values. No concern for the freedoms and opportunity here–it makes no sense that so many people want to come here, if Americas are the worst of all peoples.
True also about Capitalism–free trade. This has given enormous freedom and opportunity to all people–but this is regularly ignored and posited as the *exact opposite*–as oppression.
But there is a bit of hope–that you have liberals like Bill Maher actually calling a lot of this insanity out.
And it is true the hard Left tries to hide most of their agenda–just as Islam and Communism often do early on. Once they are in full power, of course, they reveal all of their savagery.
The upcoming book on the debacle in Afghanistan sounds good.
And I hadn’t realized that the character of Frank Warner from Fawstin’s “The Infidel” was based on Robert Sencer—but I should have realized it.
Great exchange, despite often being on grim topics. Great stuff.
And I’d love to see Pameal Geller on a future show–another brave Anti-Jihadist!
Wellington says
Great back and forth. And yes, I will definitely be ordering a copy of the critical Koran (sorry for my old-fashioned spelling but then I still pronounce Kiev as two syllables and still use the spelling “Peking” rather than “Beijing”).
The “effort” to combat all the many troublesome aspects that the Koran puts forth must be a never ending effort. No one has done more in this direction than has Robert Spencer, though I would add that Bosch Fawstin’s many artistic drawings have “done their bit” as well and then some.
Whatever it takes. This should always be the bottom line against iniquity, especially when it’s masquerading or posing as something good, which Islam has done for 1400 years now and it is way overdue for this giant lie to end.
Trish says
Good comment ❣️
Ever since I got a new tablet I can’t get into any of my accounts. I can’t even post this comment.
gravenimage says
Trish, your comment posted here just fine.
If you are having technical difficuties, go to the “Contact Us” box on the right hand side of the page. the second box down is for technical questions–they should be able to help you.
gravenimage says
Video: Bosch Fawstin, Andrew Bernstein and Robert Spencer on the War Against the West
……………..
I’m really looking forward to “The Critical Qur’an”–even though I have read that ugly book five times now. Once more into the breech…
And Robert Spencer is sadly right about the Left’s frequent enabling of Islam.
And Andrew Bernstein is right that it has been a long time since the left was a defendent of freedom of speech.
So true that opposing Jihad has *nothing* to do with race.
Cancel culture is out of control. A man burns the Qur’an years ago, then has his rech fry stand closed, then is fired by Uber–things that have nothing to do with one’s views on Islam *at all*. They just don’t want anyone critical of Islam to even be able to make a living. *Chilling*.
I am actually for equal rights for gay people–but the idea of Disney films having half gay characters is just nuts–this is not based on any kind of reaiity. The real number is at most about 5%–and transgender (even if you assume this is a valid thing) just .5% identify as trans. So this is clearly nothing but a political agenda.
As for the Will Smith assault on Chris Rock, if assaults on comic or other speakers are allowed, then no one is safe. This is very much relevant to the issues of free speech and Jihad–after all, Muslims attack and murder people because they are “offended” by any criticism of Islam or the “Prophet”.
Bosch Fawstin is quite right here.
I’ve seen the first half hour of this video.
gravenimage says
And the claim that criticizing the violence of Islam leads to violence–just grotesque calumny.
And yes–our telling the truth is our greatest strength.
And this suicidal madness from the left is as dangerous as Islam–and enables it. And few dare to question this.
Agree about Hollywood in the 1930s and ’40s–generally a great period in film. So often there is an element of characters finding the courage to stand up for their values.
gregbeetham says
I tried watching it but the sound was so distorted it wasn’t worth watching.
gravenimage says
The sound is bad for Robert Spencer’s feed for less than a minute, Greg, then it is fixed.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
No, Robert Spencer’s voice is muffled no matter at what time-stamp you listen to this video.
gravenimage says
I found it pretty mild, Mark, and I don’t have the best hearing–but others may of course disagree.
Fitna says
Graven is correct, it’s only in the beginning and sometimes when there’s cross-talk, but otherwise the sound quality is very good. I’m about half-way through and will watch the rest when I find some time.
My only gripe is that Robert has a limited following of those of us who are informed on Islam. I wish there were millions of followers around the world that were also tuning in.
That’s the only way we can defeat this evil ideology. In the 1930s there was a resistance movement against Nazism, but they failed due to their small size and then it took WW2 to stop them.
Hopefully in time our numbers will grow so that we can help wake up the masses to today’s fascism, Islam, and hopefully avoid WW3.
gregbeetham says
Unfortunately half the population is off with the fairies, the frivolous lefties are incapable of sorting priorities because their brains seem to have been hijacked by useless rubbish and the Islamic movements are taking advantage and forming alliances with those dimwits to insinuate themselves into positions of influence and the lefties don’t see the danger because they are so stupid and ignorant.
I don’t think they will wake up until it is far too late so we will probably repeat the same mistakes the weasels made in 1930-40. Once you have growing authoritarianism individuals in the general population become more reluctant to stand out in the crowd trying to raise an alert because they will get picked off one by one. It is happening now actually but so far getting cancelled means you might only loose you job not your life.
At the moment we have the silencing of any dissent by the social media giants but how long will it be before pre dawn raids on antisocial elements by totalitarian goons begin under the pretext of restoring order. (Lefties love oppressive order and control and Muslims love the same but with them you add fundamentalist religious persecution, the lefties will go the way of the Dodo and they won’t even see it coming)
gravenimage says
There are a *few* liberals who are waking up–I hope we see more of them.
somehistory says
Cancel culture is really cancel Truth…about anything and everything.
It’s a bizarro world where everything is opposite to its reality. (Isaiah 5:20)
Terry Jones was even condemned by general petraeous…who was touted as a great guy, fully American, a fighter for freedom, but he didn’t stand up for the freedom of an individual who saw the evil in islam. If Terry Jones had burned the American flag, he would have had protection because the supreme court decided a long time ago that it was “free speech” to burn a flag. but, petraeous and others said Pastor Jones didn’t have the freedom to burn a book of filth and evil commands, that when followed, means no American, or any other nationality, would have any freedom.
some employees of Disney World were recently arrested for trafficking in humans for sex. Now, it comes out, openly, how the people in charge there are all for corrupting the children…all children. If the can do so through cartoons kids like to watch, and many parents will allow because they are busy with other things and don’t realize what is being presented through these shows.
The new law in Florida, signed by Gov. De Santis, to protect children from the perversions of those who want to make kids something they are not, is being called by the “left” “Don’t say gay,”
This is a lie…a big evil fat one. The law is to keep little kids before the age of entering fourth grade, from being told about homosexuals and the whole lie of ‘gender’ stuff by teachers.
If the parents want to tell the kids about such things, that is not in the law, but the teachers won’t be able to freely discuss the perversions. Nor get the kids to believe they are not who they are at all.
One homosexual guy has complained that he won’t be able to show his ‘love’ of the kids by talking about what he and his ‘partner’ do on the weekends, and other such things.
They are making inroads every day, even though they said when they wanted the laws changed…as the one in Texas was struck down,…that they just wanted to be free to ‘practice their lifestyle in privacy in the bedrooms.’ Now, the truth has been revealed and they want to practice their ‘lifestyle’ on the little kids over whom they have some authority.
satan is behind all of this..islam and what the tyrants are doing to corrupt all of humanity, what the purveyors of filth are attempting…and largely succeeding…to do to the entire world of people.
It can’t, and it won’t, continue for very much longer.
somehistory says
Key Largo, one of my all-time favorites. Witness for the Prosecution is pretty good, too.
Old movies actually had some moral lessons, unlike those made today.
The ones today are all about immorality in its many forms; and presented as what all should do to be tough, strong, beautiful and ‘in charge’…to win.
John Lloyd Scharf says
Here’s a summary of what isn’t allowed on Twitter, according to their safety policies.
Threatening violence against someone or a group of people
Celebrating or praising violence
Harassing someone or encouraging people to harass someone
Wishing harm on someone
Promoting violence, threatening, or harassing people because of their identity (like race or gender)
Promoting or encouraging suicide or self-harm
Images or videos that show sexual violence and assault
Child sexual exploitation
Threatening or promoting terrorism or violent extremism.
Therefore no Mohammadan should be allowed on Twitter.
gravenimage says
And Bosch Fawstin is right that the hatred of Ayn Rand is just off the charts–this goes *way* beyond literary criticism. Leftists become unhinged even thinking about her.
And there is lot of disturbing stuff going on in the schools–especially “Critical Race Theaory” making white kids feel unearned guilt and believing they are intrinsically racist. Just child abuse. And CRT of course grew out of Communist “Critical Theory”.
As for Islam, I think this is much the same as Leftists falling all over violent criminals, especially the most vicious murderers on death row. Violent “third worlders” are very much the same–most especially Muslims.
And what kind of society would we be with police *banned*? Criminals would run riot–which seems to be what many hard Leftists want.
What would this do to groups like women and blacks? But as noted, there is no concern for individual rights. But then, a Supreme Court nominee pretends that she cannot even idenify what a woman is.
And they are right–things have gotten so much worse so much faster than I ever would have thought possible–just chilling.
This *is* an attack on America and her values. No concern for the freedoms and opportunity here–it makes no sense that so many people want to come here, if Americas are the worst of all peoples.
True also about Capitalism–free trade. This has given enormous freedom and opportunity to all people–but this is regularly ignored and posited as the *exact opposite*–as oppression.
But there is a bit of hope–that you have liberals like Bill Maher actually calling a lot of this insanity out.
And it is true the hard Left tries to hide most of their agenda–just as Islam and Communism often do early on. Once they are in full power, of course, they reveal all of their savagery.
The upcoming book on the debacle in Afghanistan sounds good.
And I hadn’t realized that the character of Frank Warner from Fawstin’s “The Infidel” was based on Robert Sencer—but I should have realized it.
Great exchange, despite often being on grim topics. Great stuff.
And I’d love to see Pameal Geller on a future show–another brave Anti-Jihadist!
Bikinis not Burkas says
The perfect man, NOT, defective DNA.
Muhammad was WHITE!
http://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/Reference/Hadith-2340/
Muhammad was a dwarf and fat!
http://sunnah.com/abudawud/42/154