Every now and then someone pipes up to point out that if environmentalists really want to lower carbon, they’re going to have nuclear. And they’re promptly buried in a tsunami of outrage (nuclear, do you want us all to die) and spin (look at this blog post sponsored by a solar panel company about how well solar panels work). The obvious answer is that environmentalists, like all lefties, don’t actually care about the things that they claim to care about.
Eric Levitz at New York Mag has the latest such entry showing exactly how enviros have zero interest in “saving the planet”.
In 2019, when the city put its ambitious climate goals into law, the Indian Point nuclear power plant provided the bulk of its carbon-free electricity and 25 percent of its overall power. The plant was profitable and met the Nuclear Regulatory Commission’s exacting safety standards. Nevertheless, environmental groups had been fighting to close it for decades, arguing that its proximity to both New York City and the Stamford-Peekskill fault line created an unacceptably high risk of a nuclear disaster.
The catastrophe at Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant in 2011 bolstered their cause. In 2021, New York closed down Indian Point. At the time, the conservationist organization Riverkeeper argued that Indian Point’s electricity could be fully replaced by renewables.
Alas, wind and solar power are neither sufficiently abundant in New York nor sufficiently reliable to replace the emissions-free energy that Indian Point once produced. In May 2021, the first full month after the plant’s closure, carbon emissions from electricity generation in New York State shot up by 37 percent. In New York City, fossil-fuel producers’ share of the electric grid rose to 90 percent.
Fortunately, the state has a plan to reverse this baleful trend. Last fall, Governor Kathy Hochul announced plans for constructing a pair of new transmission lines, one bringing wind- and solar-generated electricity from upstate into NYC, the other transporting hydroelectric power from Quebec. Together, the two transmission lines are projected to yield a 51 percent reduction in downstate fossil-fuel generation by 2030.
But a motley coalition, comprised of natural-gas producers and environmental organizations like Riverkeeper and the Sierra Club, has a good chance of killing that plan.
Environmentalists don’t want to provide more energy or “cleaner energy”.
What they want are a dependency on energy sources that they don’t like, constantly push to phase out with green subsidies that don’t work, and with the goal of having that fail so that the public is faced with skyrocketing energy prices and unreliable energy prices.
Or to simply, they hate us and want us to freeze, starve, and die.
At best, they want to have outrage fuel and a basis for their movement. What they don’t want is to fix any of the problems they invented in any kind of even nominally workable way. The moment that any workable fix arises, they shut it down.
The old enviro conspiracy theory is that car companies had a car that ran on water, but then hid it to protect the oil industry. The reality is that if a car ran on water, environmentalists would be the first to shut it down because it would lead to exactly what they don’t want, people enjoying their lives guilt-free.
CogitoErgoSum says
Maybe they should freeze themselves somewhere at the South Pole and remain there in suspended animation until everyone else has gone extinct. When they thaw out Antarctica might be at just the right temperature for plant eating lizard people.
Del says
If their “green” solutions are so wonderful and beneficial, they can build them and we can all benefit.
Infidel says
Just like Socialism is just for everybody else but not for the Socialists, similarly Environmentalism is for everybody else, but environmentalists can continue to enjoy their private flights, air conditioning in moderate weather and other eco-hostile luxuries
abu taleb says
So do the Islamic leaders like the mullahs.
somehistory says
The u.n. guy is saying a report tells us that the “world will be unlivable” soon if the climate doesn’t see a change soon.
they actually want it to be unlivable. If it gets so bad that billions die, that will leave the entire earth up to them and they can try to begin again. But there is not brain enough to even make a wheel, much less begin again making all they would want….like phones, planes, computers, etc.
shoehorn says
*Do you expect me to solve the Climate Crisis?*
*No, Mr Bond. I expect you to die.*
Green leftists are much like Goldfinger; they want all the goodies for themselves. Environmentalists regularly sit in planes for hours on end -the most intense carbon-emitting exercise of all- to attend climate conferences that weaken the West and give a green light (no pun intended) to everyone else. They had to rig the 2020 election because Trump didn’t sign the Paris Accords, which weakens the USA and favours Commie China.
gravenimage says
Environmentalists Want Us to Freeze, Starve, and Die
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This does seem to be the plan…
Who here is familiar with “Earth Hour”, which urges people all over the world to turn their lights off between 8:30 and 9:30 pm every March 26. Many landmaks including the Sydney Opera House and Christ the Redeemer statue in Rio go dark. They tell people this is just the start.
The idea that going without lights–something those in the most backward of places likie North Korea have to suffer–is about “hope” could not be more grotesque.
More:
The old enviro conspiracy theory is that car companies had a car that ran on water, but then hid it to protect the oil industry. The reality is that if a car ran on water, environmentalists would be the first to shut it down because it would lead to exactly what they don’t want, people enjoying their lives guilt-free.
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Good point.
James Lincoln says
A good read – and unbelievably humorous book – regarding radical environmentalists:
“Eco-Bluff Your Way to Greenism: The Guide to Instant Environmental Credibility”
Paperback – April 1, 1991
by Paul Spencer Wachtel (Author), Jeffrey A. McNeely (Author)
https://www.amazon.com/Eco-Bluff-Your-Way-Greenism-Environmental/dp/0929387228
gravenimage says
Looks like a good book, James.
E T says
I worry about my family in Florida, the professor of Environmental Ethics told the class way back on 1987, Florida would be under water by 2014.
Yuval Noah Harari, Obama and Klaus Schwab advisor says 95% of the world population needs to be exterminated.
Everyone should get a boat, the climate engineers may want to drown you.
gravenimage says
Here is something similar, E T:
“To Save the Planet, Kill 90 Percent of People Off, Says UT Ecologist”
https://reason.com/2006/04/03/to-save-the-planet-kill-90-per/
“University of Texas ecologist Eric Pianka told a meeting of the Texas Academy of Science that 90 percent of his fellow human beings must die in order to save the planet…”
Stunningly, he then goes into excruciating detail about how this may be accomplished. Note that he is *not* talking about having smaller families…
And of course that claptrap about Florida turned out to be just that.
somehistory says
b gates said the same thing in speech some years ago. and the weather underground (a terror group) said back when the great friends of “bo” were heading that group and did some bombings, that they wanted to eliminate 25% of the U.S. pop.
each time a dictator took control…stalin, mao, pol pot, hitler, etc. they murdered large segments of the population of their nation. It’s a tactic, well-used.
the numbers mentioned by gates and the guy you linked to are enough to take the earth’s pop down to around 500 thousand.
And, Florida isn’t sinking any more than GA, AL SC, NC, or any other states are. It is connected, after all and the depths of the Atlantic are about the same along the coast. this is much like aoc had to say recently. Nonsense meant to alarm and for the speaker to gain attention.
gravenimage says
Not a particular fan of Gates, but he was talking about slowing population growth, not mass murdering people.
somehistory says
He said, I can reduce earth’s population….with vaccines.”
Take that however you wish. He wasn’t being, nor is he now, a nice guy. Many little girls and many young pregnant women, “vaccinated” through his funding, are now sterile and some unborn infants died.
In my opinion, he wants people dead, not just not born, and if they are already on the way to being born, they are eliminated so they won’t be.
“Slowing population growth” through the murder of the unborn is “murdering people.” and if the number is great enough…it’s “mass-murder.” It doesn’t take that many deaths for deaths to be labeled “mass-murder.”
gates is no better than a pol pot, stalin or mao.
gravenimage says
Somehistory, do you have citations that vaccines funded by the Gates Foundation are actually instead sterilizing and causing pregnant women to abort?
somehistory says
I read and heard audio on the washingtonstandard page, a doctor telling of the stuff put in a shot (to prevent tetanus) that causes sterility and miscarriage. She said there was no *good reason* to put that in a tetanus shot.
She is not the only one that I have read say the same thing; that young girls who got the shot have become sterile and some lost their babies. Perhaps you could google it.
My day is too full to make a computer record of everything I read or see online. I know some have mocked me for posting from the washington standard, but they do post articles by Mr. Spencer, Mr. Greenfield, and from such doctors as Malone and McCullough and others.
somehistory says
https://www.africanglobe.net/africa/sterilization-plot-kenyan-doctors-find-anti-fertility-agent-tetanus-vaccines/
““We sent six samples from around Kenya to laboratories in South Africa. They tested positive for the HCG antigen,” Dr. Muhame Ngare of the Mercy Medical Centre in Nairobi told reporters. “They were all laced with HCG.”
My comment with other links is awaiting moderation.
somehistory says
https://www.scirp.org/Journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=81838
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12346214/
somehistory says
One more link that shows gates’ connection to the shots that he funds.
More than just the tetanus in kenya.
and a quote from his kids’ doctor that he refused to have his own kids given the shots he advocates for every other kid.
https://hnewswire.com/bill-gates-history-of-vaccine-corruption-inflicting-harm-and-death-on-unsuspecting/
gravenimage says
Actually, Somehistory, the Kenyan government has determined that the Catholic Church’s fears that tetanus shots cause sterility is unfounded:
“Kenya Catholic Church tetanus vaccine fears ‘unfounded'”
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-29604501.
Kenya’s government has dismissed allegations made by the country’s Catholic Church that a tetanus vaccine can cause sterility in women.
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Tetanus is actually a serious concern in Kenya–hundreds of babies die from tetanus every year.
The head of immunization at Kenya’s Health Ministry, Dr. Collins Tabu, has noted that women immunized under the program have subsequently conceived.
Muslims have also claimed that polio vaccines are actually sterilizing Muslim women. This hasn’t been borne out either.
somehistory says
Well, the gov would lie to protect themselves since the government is behind the shots in the first place.
I don’t believe the gov in this case. the country produced “bo”…a liar and this gov in the U.s. now lies constantly. even about the fake help from the shots they have been forcing on the population, without allowing any mention of the dangers without threats and intimidation and loss of licenses for doctors issuing the warnings. and, labeling those who disagree as “terrorists.”
But, you believe what you want to.
somehistory says
By the way, g, did you even read this one?
https://www.scirp.org/Journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=81838
it’s an abstract written by several doctors. About the ingredients that WHO admitted is in the tetanus shots.
Abstract
In 1993, WHO announced a “birth-control vaccine” for “family planning”. Published research shows that by 1976 WHO researchers had conjugated tetanus toxoid (TT) with human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) producing a “birth-control” vaccine. Conjugating TT with hCG causes pregnancy hormones to be attacked by the immune system. Expected results are abortions in females already pregnant and/or infertility in recipients not yet impregnated. ”
There is more in the abstract.
gravenimage says
Actually, the WHO has not said that the Gates Foundation tetanus vaccines sterilize women:
“WHO did not say Bill Gates adds sterilisation formula to vaccines”
https://factcheck.afp.com/who-did-not-say-bill-gates-adds-sterilisation-formula-vaccines
Of course, they may be lying as well…
somehistory says
The WHO aren’t going to be fully open about what they have done.
In the third link I provided, africa and india are not the only countries where the shots have raised suspicions and caused problems.
Authorities in Mexico said they grew suspicious when the shots were only being offered to women and girls of reproductive age…not to men or little children…and given more often than is usual for tetanus vacs. It is also reported in the Philippines, and other countries. the hCG was found in the vials.
gattes has been involved in vaccination programs…gates foundation…for some years. Just as he has been a big pusher of the mRNA stuff.
gravenimage says
Somehistory wrote:
and a quote from his kids’ doctor that he refused to have his own kids given the shots he advocates for every other kid.
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Actually, the site that initially made this claim–YourNewsWire (now called NewsPunch)–has taken that story down.
More from Reuters:
“False claim: Bill Gates refused to vaccinate his children”
gravenimage says
I think I’ll leave this here now, Somehistory. Thanks for the exchange.
somehistory says
Well, I’m sorry, but a story being removed, doesn’t prove it was untrue. and that’s fine too. I was done with it anyway. A conversation can’t go on forever and it seems neither of us will convince the other.
gravenimage says
OK, Somehistry.
somehistory says
this pianka ghoul should volunteer to be infected with ebola and people who agree with him can sit close as he dies. and they can get the same burial as the ancient Queen Jezebel.
Patriotliz says
“Or to simply (state), they hate us and want us to freeze, starve, and die.”
Green New Deal Climate Change Crazies are Communists who want to destroy Capitalism and Freedom.
Communists NEVER concern themselves with the health, safety and lives of the little people they want to boss around. They only pretend to care. They are Demonic genocidal monsters.
OLD GUY says
The only answer to a green planet is less people and animals. So if you are an environmentalist and you support the open Southern border allowing 20 million illegal migrants into America you ain’t green. These wonderful illegal people won’t be buying electric cars or fuel efficient homes.
somehistory says
Some of them will be killing some of us.
gravenimage says
Oh, well that’s a plus then! (Yes, this is sarcasm).
OLD GUY says
Activist always want you to contribute to their cause “Their Pocketbook”. they don’t want the problem solved that would put them out of a JOB and easy money. When they stop flying around the world in private jets, yachts and limos and start using the mass transit systems and disconnect their mansions from the power grid I will believe them.
James Lincoln says
OLD GUY,
Activists will tell you that they NEED private jets, yachts, limos, and mansions so that they can get their “important” work done for the “little people”.
After all, the “little people” do not have “important” work to be done – they can ride the bus.
somehistory says
Or ride bicycles or just walk.
gravenimage says
Spot on, James. I’ve heard this sort of thing many times.
David Foot says
Marx already had environmentalist friends in the 1870s and saw the potential for this movement as one path to disrupt the State and get to power
gravenimage says
By the way, the entire global population would fit in the five boroughs of NYC standing shoulder to shoulder:
“Believe It or Not: The World’s Population Can Fit Inside New York City”
https://www.6sqft.com/believe-it-or-not-the-worlds-entire-population-can-fit-inside-new-york-city/#:~:text=The%20entire%20U.S.%20population%20itself,five%20hours%20to%20walk%20around.
Of course humans have influence beyond their size–but the idea that this small group of beings are actually destroying the earth is really absurd.
E T says
Justine’s Environment Minister, Stephen Guilbeault says “Climate Change is killing Canadians”. Bullshit, it is Justine and all the lunatics who are supporting him and keeping him in office. At some point, the “little people” might get out their pitch forks. This madness, the World Economic Forum freaks are promoting, and now Justine saying there will be food shortages, will trigger change, and it ain’t gonna have anything to do with the climate. The politicians are the ones producing all the methane. ENOUGH, let’s see some adults in government.
E T says
If you listen closely to the freaks, you will hear Marburg being thrown around. Madmen abound.