The full wanted list is here. 6.7% of the population of Ottawa is Muslim, so Muslims are vastly overrepresented on the Wanted list.
What could account for this?
Justin Trudeau and other Canadian authorities would like say that it’s because of “Islamophobia”: Ottawa police disproportionately target Muslims out of “racism” and “Islamophobia.”
That is remotely possible, but it seems inconsistent with the Canadian character, which has always been welcoming of immigrants and tolerant of cultural differences.
Is it possible that some Muslims in Ottawa are taught to have contempt for Infidel law, and to respect only laws of Islam? That is a much more likely possibility, and yet Canadian officials will never even entertain the question, because to do so would bring them dangerously close to what they regard as “Islamophobia.” It’s better to have this explosion of criminality than that.
Does that really make any sense?
(Thanks to B.)
JimJFox says
It makes perfect sense to the imbeciles we elect!
mortimer says
Justin Trudeau is a useful imbecile who climbed willingly into bed with the Muslim Brotherhood to betray his country. We must wonder how he is getting paid for this massive betrayal.
Ottawa is becoming a Muslim city.
gravenimage says
Islam is 6.7% Muslim. This is a disturbing statistic and more than twice the national percentage. Still a small number to make up half of the wanted criminals, though–because of Islam’s intrinsic violence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ottawa#Religion
gregbeetham says
I gave up on Canada after they re-elected Trudeau, I would have thought he was unelectable in any constituency with their head on straight.
Tanya Notkoff says
His family is very close with the Aga Khan.
gravenimage says
True:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/20/world/canada/trudeau-aga-khan.html
OTTER says
Muslims are natural murders.
JimJFox says
Not all of them. Sweeping generalisations don’t help.
Infidel says
Enough of them to make the exceptions worth ignoring
mortimer says
Otter, you are a narrow-minded bigot. Your comments are damaging to this forum and repugnant to intelligent, fair-minded people. Many Muslims despise these criminals.
Grace M Joubarne says
I think that what Otter was trying to say is that even those Muslims that despise what the Muslim murderers do, they are bound by their Qur’an to (a) accept it and (b) participate when the opportunity presents. If they refuse, they too are considered worthy of elimination.
I think one has to read the text they rely on before presuming someone is a bigot for pointing out that Muslims have no choice, whether they are for killing infidels and apostates or notm because when they try to get loose of the Qur’an, they too are murdered.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, Islam does indeed teach violence, including murder, as you well know.
Some Muslims fail to follow the diktats of their creed, but they are usually very quiet about it.
Dan says
Then why don’t “Intelligent, fair-minded” Muslim turn in their a-hole muslims?
Or report when their religions leaders spew hatred for Jews?
Or fund, and recruit for, Islamic terrorist groups?
I live in a SMALL city, around 60 thousand, and we have Muslims assaulting little girls in our swimming pools, and they are even even trying to kill the refugees who, now that they are here, are trying to leave Islam.
I’ll believe their are “fair-minded” Muslims when they turn their inbred, psychotic friends and family into the police.
JimJFox says
My previous comment did not show up so here it goes again-
It makes perfect sense to the imbeciles elected by the ignorant public!
Fitna says
If my math is right and Muslims are committing 50% of all criminal acts, that means they are 14 times more likely to commit a crime than non-Muslims. Or for every non-Muslim criminal, there are 14 Muslim criminals.
Ofc nothing will ever be done about this statistical fact. Cops, politicians will keep ignoring it and pretending that Muslims are just as peaceful and law-abiding as anyone else.
But what’s going to happen when the Muslim population is 20% and their criminal behaviour skyrockets accordingly? Then Ottawa will look like Sweden today with their no-go zones.
What’s worse is that Canada has banned guns for self-defense so people will be preyed on by criminal gangs, most of whom will be Muslims. Liberal utopianism at its best.
Terry Gain says
If Muslims commit 50% of the crimes then for every Muslim offender there is a non-Muslim offender.
I am thankful that Canada does not have America’s gun culture. If I lived in America I wouldn’t dare get into an argument with a stranger for fear of being shot. This would be an unconscionable restriction of my rights as a human being because I love to argue.
Grace M Joubarne says
The thing about being a free individual is that another’s opinions matter not a hoot and do not influence legislation. IF it makes you feel safe to have absolutely no means of self-defense or even an ability to hunt when store shelves are empty, that is your right and I would fight for your right if someone tried to force you to have a gun.
But when you demand legislation to prevent others from exercising their fundamental human right to own arms to defend their family and their home, and to be able to hunt for food during times when others are starving due to government manufactured food shortages, then you are crossing the line into communism.
It is essential that you know when you are crossing the line because I, for one, will fight for my right to make my own decision irrespective of your ‘fears’ and feelings.
The telling fact is that despite gun restrictions and endless prohibitions against gun ownership, criminals have been engaging in even more crimes, knowing that the homeowner is likely unarmed and relying on their belief.
This is a small town in the US (can’t remember the name at the moment) that experienced a terrible level of crime. Council decided it was time for the residents to help stop it and it passed a by-law that the head of every household must own, safely store and know how to use a firearm. Overnight crime dropped to zero.
No one is saying you have to use a firearm…you can always express your belief to the intruder and see if that works, but we are saying that you might be awfully happy to have and know how to use one if the intruder does not respect your belief.
Terry Gain says
What you don’t get is that in Canada I have as much chance of getting shot as I do of being approached by a virgin. You can take your gun culture and shove it up your ass.
Fitna says
@ Grace, well said.
@ TerryGains, if you have almost no chance of getting shot, why do you care if others want guns to protect themselves?
You make no sense whatsoever yet unfortunate its because of flawed arguments like your that the rest of us are prevented, actually criminalized if we wish to own a gun to protect our lives and family.
This just proves democracy is a terrible idea, it’s basically mob rule, the bigger the mob, the stupider they are and they’re the ones creating our rules/laws.
This is like saying I hate bacon or ham or any pig meat, it tastes terrible, I don’t eat it neither should you or anyone else…and a bunch of you succeed in banning pork products. That’s the insanity going on here.
We’re not stopping you from owning guns, but don’t tell us we can’t have them. Lucky for you, the anti-gun loons won that battle for now but it’ll never be over.
Fitna says
@ TerryGains,
I forgot to add, how would you like to be a girl in Afghanistan with the Taliban killing women on the spot if they’re not wearing a hijab?
You’d rather let them kill you than own a gun and protect yourself as best as you can?
Terry Gain says
Fitna
You missed my point entirely. I have no chance of getting shot because I live in a country where handguns are not allowed except in rare circumstances. I am extremely grateful to live in such a country. It is very peaceful. I love Americans but I would not trade places with them for the world.
gravenimage says
Terry, your implication that every American who gets in an argument with someone is shot is much mistaken.
And I notice that while you take this opportunity to lambast your American neighbors that you don’t appear to have any problem at all with this huge number of invading criminal Muslims, which I must confess I find odd.
In fact, the Jihad shooting at Parliament Hill were not done by Americans, but by a Canadian convert to Islam.
Grace M Joubarne says
I hope you are not seeing this a second time…there is a catcha problem with this site.
Anyway, my comment was going to be that the worst mass murder in Canada was at the hands of an Algerian Muslim who had changed his name to Marc Lepine.
He hated women, and especially educated women. He separated the men from the women and kill 13 women and wounded 17 others.
Funny how the mainstream media buried this little bit of information…even the Canadian Encyclopedia doesn’t mention his real name or his Muslim roots. He was borne Gamil Gharbi and he caused Canada to descend into highly restrictive gun laws.
I have no way right now of confirming this, but I would not be surpriised if this lunatic was selected by the government of the day for his propensity to violence in order to create an excuse for the gun restrictions waiting in the wings.
gravenimage says
This is true, Grace. Many don’t know that Marc Lepine was Muslim, and targeted women in an engineering class on just this basis.
Fitna says
@ Grace,
Thanks for that tidbit of info, I suspected he could be a Muslim but the media did a great job of hiding the truth.
People are getting mass murdered by Muslims but the media is ALWAYS carrying their water and protecting their true identity and beliefs. Such a strange behaviour, anything to avoid appearing ‘racist’ no that’d be worse than mass murder.
Terry Gain says
GI
I never said that every American who gets in an argument gets shot. Good grief.
I have simply pointed out that while Americans never know whether they are at risk of being shot, thanks to rational gun laws and a shunning of gun culture Canadians have no such concerns.
gravenimage says
Terry, I note that you *still* don’t say you have a problem with this Muslim crime spree in your nation’s capital, nor with a Muslim shooting up Parliament there.
You can hate Americans all you like, but Muslims *really are* a threat in Canada.
Terry Gain says
GI
Do you seriously think that I don’t care about the amount of crime committed by Muslims in Canada? How absurd for you to contend I don’t care simply because I haven’t condemned the amount of Muslim crime in this thread. For goodness sakes, I have been outstanding in my position that Muslims should not even be allowed into Canada or the United States.
And I don’t hate Americans. Far from it. I think your Second Amendment was poorly conceived. The notion that guns can be used to prevent the government from becoming totalitarian is obviously not true. The government has the bigger guns. And they will use them if there is any uprising and the military will do as they are told.
The reaction to the trespassing at the Capitol on January 6 proves my point. The 2nd Amendment hasn’t prevented your fascist government from rounding up and holding political prisoners. The 2nd Amendment protection is illusory. All it does is contribute to the number of innocents who are killed.
gravenimage says
OK, Terry. By the way, the only shooting at the Capitol was of an unarmed woman by the police.
And the Muslim who shot up Pariliament hill did not let Canadian gun laws stop him. Muslims despise all Infidel laws.
Fitna says
TerryGain,
The pop of Ottawa is about 1 million, since Muslims are 6.7%, then there are roughly 67,000 Muslims living in Ottawa.
Each year there are about 40,000 criminal acts, 50% or 20k are committed by Muslims.
20k / 67k x 100% = 30% of Muslims are involved in criminal activity or 1 in 3 Muslims.
For non-Muslims 20k / 933k x100% = it is 2% or 1 in 47 non-Muslims are criminals.
A straight division 30/2, give you 15, which is very close to my estimate earlier when I didn’t use actual crime stats.
That means Muslims are engaged in criminal activity 15 times higher than non-Muslims. Or for every non-Muslim criminal there are 15 Muslim criminals.
So obviously you have a very simplistic understanding of this issue. If Muslims were 50% of the population and committed the same level of crimes, then you could say they’re no more criminal than the rest of us.
In fact you’re ignoring they’re only about 7% of the population, so their level of criminality is enormous compared to their population….also 1 in 3 is no small figure.
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As for guns, if you get into an argument with someone and they get angry and have a gun, then what recourse do you have? At least if you have your own gun you will have the ability to protect yourself. They could also be carrying a knife, a knuckle-duster, a club, taser or other weapon they can use on you.
The real restriction is to deny yourself the right to protect your one and only life with a gun. People who oppose gun-rights never really think things through.
US gun stats show over a million lives have been saved because of guns. I’m talking about home invasions where women and grannies with kids or living alone faced imminent death from violent, strong criminals.
The day a gang of criminals put your life in mortal danger is the day you’ll realize what a fool you’ve been in opposing gun rights. It’s because of 50% of the Canadian population, Libtards like yourself that we’ve banned guns and innocents pay with their lives every day because of that. If they live they can end up with lifelong injuries or are paralyzed.
https://www.ottawapolice.ca/en/annual-report-2019/crime-statistics.aspx
(there was a glitch in saving this post, if it posted twice, please remove one of them admin, thanks)
Grace M Joubarne says
Thank you for this well expressed and meaningful info. I tried to leave a more detailed response about Terry Gain, but here is something very wrong with this sites captcha system. I pointed that out a few months ago but was told it was my system not theirs. It is good to hear others are now reporting issues. Maybe they will fix it.
I wonder how many great comments could not get published because of this captcha problem? Too bad, I was enjoying the discussion which is a must if we are to survive.
Fitna says
@Grace,
You’re welcome and thanks in kind.
Yes I hope Robert updates to a better commenting system, this one has many bugs that cause issues like the one you mentioned, I had the same problem yesterday.
I find if you go through the captcha screen and then refresh then you can post again. I also recommend getting Typio add-in for Chrome, it saves all your posts so if there’s an error, you can easily re-post since the data is saved.
Well hopefully millions of other people are having similar discussions about Islam, but from what I’ve seen, we’re still a small group and our ideas have to get out. People need to hold marches/demonstrations, meet with politicians and damn Islam is banned, that we end all Muslim immigration and we deport troublemaker Muslims if not all of them.
Talking is useful but we need to cause change to happen-right now the forces of evil are winning because there is little opposition. I’m sure millions think like us, but they need leaders to demand an end to Islam.
Fitna says
*demand (not damn)
we could use an edit button also
Terry Gain says
Fitna
Notwithstanding the claim that Muslims are responsible for 50% of the crime in Ottawa you claimed that for every non-Muslim criminal there are 14 Muslim criminals. I pointed out if Muslims commit 50% of the crimes then for every non-Muslim criminal there is one Muslim criminal.
My statement is a truism and the fact that Muslim have a greater propensity to commit crimes does not gainsay this truism.
You made a logical error. It is inelegant to compound that error by being a jerk.
gravenimage says
Terry, there are many fewer Muslims in Ottawa than there are native Canadians, so if a criminal is as apt to be Muslim as to be native Canadian, then this does indeed mean that Muslims are more likely to commit crimes. This conclusion is not an error.
gravenimage says
If anyone runs into a problem with Captcha, they can backspace and try posting again. This generally works.
Fitna says
TerryGains,
All you did was restate what was said in the article that Muslims are responsible for half of all crimes.
The message you’re trying to push is that they are no more criminal than non-Muslims, right? Why else would you repeat the obvious?
What you want the audience to ignore is that they consist of only 7% of the population, so your fallacy is to lie by omission, as if we couldn’t figure it out.
In simple terms that means that tiny group of Muslims is committing as much crime as 93% of the rest of population. That’s not a trivial fact easily brushed aside. Which makes me think you’re likely a Muslim trying to pull the wool over people’s eyes or you’re a sympathizer.
If you’re going to make dumb errors then expect to be called out for it and insulted. We’re not friends nor allies, given the fact that you’re trying to hide the truth, that makes you my adversary, so don’t expect me to treat you with kindness and kid gloves.
Fitna says
Spot on Gravenimage.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Fitna.
dhimmi says
Not surprising, the followers of Muhammad follow the idol, Muhammad was also a bandit, robbed, raped, raped children, killed people, ordered rapes, inspired and ordered killings, religious and ethnical genocides
gravenimage says
Grimly true, dhimmi.
Grace M Joubarne says
Our problem is not the government, its us. We have allowed this to happen despite have a moral and ethical obligation to remove corporate government and install republics, where the People speak adn the politicians act.
We have it all backwards…in Canada politicians say jump and we say how high.
Terry Gain says
The problem is both a too compliant public and a government too quick to issue orders.
DavidR says
It’s because their great grandfather’s uncle once lived in a land colonized by France.
Terry Gain says
Facile. And wrong. The impetus for Canada’s very wise anti-wild west handgun culture did not come from French Canada.
gravenimage says
Terry, David is talking about Muslim immigrants to Canada, not about Canadian anti-gun laws.
That being said, he is mistaken about all Muslim invaders in Canada being from places that were once colonized by France:
“In the 1980s, Canada became an important place of refuge for those fleeing the Lebanese Civil War. The 1990s saw Somali Muslims arrive in the wake of the Somali Civil War as well as Bosniaks fleeing the breakup of the former Yugoslavia. However Canada has yet to receive any significant numbers of Iraqis fleeing the Iraqi War. But in general almost every Muslim country in the world has sent immigrants to Canada – from Pakistan, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Albania to Yemen and Bangladesh.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Canada
And now there are Afghan Muslims flooding in to Canada.
Hank says
Canada is what it is today – a Muslim Jizya paradise and Muslim dumping ground – because the majority of Canadians are in a trance and keep voting for Leftist-Green-Marxist Trudeau and his party who want to turn it into an Islamic nation and dump its Judeo-Christian heritage, culture and values. It is self-caused/self-created.
Terry Gain says
Biden is importing over 100,000 Afghans into the United States. Immigration policies of both countries are irrational.
gravenimage says
This importing Muslim hordes endangers us wherever it happens.
I don’t gloat over Muslim incursions into civilized Canada–and it makes no sense for Canadians to gloat over Muslims invading here, either.
David Longfellow says
Only 50%? Thought it would be a lot higher, given islam’s worship of violence.
gravenimage says
Muslims just make up 6.7% of the population in Ottowa. They are many times more likely to commit crimes than are native Canadians.
Terry Gain says
No one is suggesting otherwise.
James Lincoln says
Supporters of “equity” versus “equality” would argue that law enforcement in Ottawa actively target / profile
muslims – and that’s the sole reason that they are vastly overrepresented in crime statistics.
That’s the reasoning that social justice warriors use in the United States when trying to explain the high crime rate involving Black Americans.
gravenimage says
Yes–we hear this claptrap here all the time.
gravenimage says
Over 50% of those wanted by the Ottawa police have Muslim names
………..
And consider that Muslims only make up ony a little over 3% of the population. That’s what happens when a people follow a violent and murderous creed.
Terry Gain says
GI
Creed implies that Islam is a religion. It is an ideology. Don’t give them an inch.
gravenimage says
Terry, “creed” can mean either a religious faith or a fundamental belief of any kind:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/creed
And ideology can include religious beliefs, as well.
But your idea that acknowledging that Islam is a religion is giving something to Islam is mistaken. Islam is indeed a relgion by all definition.
I rather believe that changing the meaning of our words for Islam and ignoring reason is actually changing things for Islam. I don’t believe that ignoring reason for Islam is a good thing, nor that it ultimately aids in the fight against Islamization.
Giacomo Latta says
Can we talk? Can we talk?
Many centuries ago in a land full of halfwits there was born a sly little conniver who decided he wanted to live a life of wealth, luxury and sexual deviance. And so it was that this conniver decided to start a phony so-called religion that resembled other real religions in order to convince others to do his dirty work for him. The dirty work involved killing others to gain booty of all sorts which he was willing to share with his henchmen to some degree. Being the Tom Sawyer type that he was, he was able to con others to believe that he was a representative of a god and therefore a really nice fellow who was doing work for the kind and gentle deity. All murdering and rape were therefore legit.
He even incorporated widely-believed aspects and stories of a common real religion so that halfwits would accept the drivel of his self-invented fraud. By extension he decided to refer to his creation as a religion. If the conniver and his acolytes expect me to do the same then I say intercourse his creation, his acolytes and all those he has suckered. It did not hurt that many of this halfwits were horny types willing to accept any reference to endless orgies and eternal priapic stiffness should they not survive to enjoy earthbound orgies and sex slaves. But of course this was a con job.
By what festering process of logic is today’s Islam a religion? Because they say so? Well then we must also call them a culture since that is what they call themselves when municipal by-laws insist that zoning precludes any religious entity in a specific area. Why? Because they say so! And we must also call them not just a religion but the best of all religions whose followers are the best of human beings. Why? Because they hope to cash in on all the perquisites that all kinds of laws accord to entities that call themselves a religion? Don’t be so cynical! It’s simply because they say so!
If today’s or yesterday’s Islam is a religion then the Mafia and the Hell’s Angels are religions too, and even more so because they do not promote slavery nor cruel ways of killing others. Their ways of murdering innocents is quick and efficient.
Islam was nothing but a con job at the time it was invented. It remains a con job to this day with its latter day proponents as madly adoring of murder, slavery and misogyny as its inventor ever was. At no time did anyone proselytize on its behalf as a way for all of us to get along. That is what all real religions have as a goal. Sadly they are all based on belief in non-existent controllers.
How about if you use your pull on this website to poll regular visitors to see if they believe Islam is a religion? After all you will have all those who quote biblical scriptures on your side. Who wastes their time comparing their religion to the Mafia or the Hell’s Angels to prove its superior?
gravenimage says
Giacomo, acknowledging that Islam is a religion does not mean that it is either good or true. There have been evil religions before–the worship of Baal and the religon of the Aztecs, for instance, both of which involved human sacrifice.
Fitna says
GL
Entertaining post, I chuckled a few times. I know people sometimes argue that Islam is mostly a religion or only a political ideology.
It really is both, as well as being something akin to Hell’s Angels or the KKK or Nazism posing as a religion.
The millions of stupid brainwashed Muslims strongly believe it is a religion and the word of God, in exactly the same way that other adherents of other religions believe for instance that Christianity or Hinduism are the word of their respective gods.
The trouble is that only Islam is also a political, fascist, totalitarian and supremacist ideology whose goal is to subjugate the world under its theocratic rule. They control all aspects of a Muslim follower’s life, they teach them how to pray, what to eat or not and so on.
Religions and political ideologies have proven to be dangerous throughout history but when they’re combined as in Islam, they’re especially deadly.
Islam smuggles itself into free nations appearing as a harmless religion, much like the AIDS virus sneaking into the human body. But like the virus once Islam gets a foothold, it multiplies and spreads everywhere eventually killing its host.
This is what makes is more difficult to take down. At least with Nazism we could see it was an evil political movement-but Islam gets the protection of being called a religion which most people respect blindly.
However it is Islam’s political agenda that must be exposed. Once people understand that Islam is a fascist totalitarian ideology, a close cousin of Nazism, then it’ll be easier to defeat since western nations are still well prepared to oppose Fascism. If we can get the masses to realize Islam is Nazism, then 90% of our work is done.
OLD GUY says
Islam is anything but religion. Islam is a political dictatorship ideology sold as the age old means of controlling its followers through the fear of a God (ALLAH) who demands the individuals strict following of its rules and laws of the religious leaders. Being KILLED or becoming a SLAVE is a good way to insure the people follow instep. Islam is only about the POWER and GREED of its leaders at the expense of the masses. Islam is not any different than China, Russia or any other DICTATORSHIP.
Terry Gain says
Graven Image
Are you contending that the religion of the Aztecs would be recognized as a religion protected by the First Amendment? Seriously? If not, how is it relevant that it is considered a religion? It is beyond argument that Islam is a political ideology which is antithetical to American democratic ideals. Given this fact, the notion that Islam is a protected religion is absurd, unless you believe the Constitution contains the seeds of its own destruction.
gravenimage says
Terry, no one claims that the religion of the Aztecs was not a religion.
And your constant claims that the existance of the FIrst Amendment means that Muslims are protected in robbing, raping, and murdering Infidels here is simply mistaken–this is no more legal here than Aztecs cutting the hearts out of their enemies would be.
And no–the Constitution and the First Amendment actually do a great deal to protect *us*. I have no interest in destroying it for Muslims.