Sunday, on Kali Dasi’s show, with a Muslim spokesman, Dr. Nusrat Ali, and the Afghan ex-Muslim Dr. Fouzia Rauf.
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mortimersays
Dr. Bill Warner (PhD math & physics) applied his statistical-formulaic approach to the study of Islam and found that the key to understanding Islam is dualism. Robert Spencer’s approach discovered that JIHAD Is the central pillar of Islam and that Islam cannot be understood apart from a perfect understanding of JIHAD. Fear is the logical response to JIHAD.
Bikinis not Burkassays
Fear should not be the response it should be a Neutron Bomb on the Kabbah!
Rensays
Without jihad islam would disappear. So yes, jihad is the central pillar of islam.
David Raschsays
I characterize islam as a ‘tribal’ religion centered on preserving the dominant male of the tribe. Its method of operation is to take the necessities of life from non-moslems.
eduardo odraudesays
Islam also seems to be in part the sacralization of certain pre-existing forms of Near Eastern despotism and tyranny. The Near Eastern style of absolutism was given by Islam a new sacred language and justification. Allah is conceived after the image of an ancient Near Eastern tyrant-monster. (Notice that the Qur’an, 42:11, denies human beings are made in the image of God, for “nothing is like Allah” or, as one of the most popular translations puts it, “nothing is in the likeness of Allah.”
So here is a nutshell: in the Judeo-Christian paradigm, human beings are made in the image of God — hence each human being is sacred. The individual matters. In Islam, humans are not made in the image of Allah, and Allah is made in the image of a Near Eastern despot.
mortimersays
The Muslim spokesman, Dr. Nusrat Ali, claims that Islam promoted harmony, even though Islam based its economy on slavery, but slavery was good when Muslims did it. Islam had nothing to do with terrorism … (oh, really? Koran 8.60 ‘terrorize them’). The Muslim thinks that no one should fear Islam (yeah right).
Dr. Nusrat Ali thought he was going to have a bunch of rubes he could hoodwink, not knowing how thoroughly prepared Spencer and Warner actually are.
Is Mohammed the role model of Muslims? Yes. Was Mohammed a warlord … will Muslims not imitate him knowing that?
According to Islamic tradition, Mohammed personally owned 9 Swords, 7 pieces of Body Armour, 6 Bows, 5 Spears, 2 Helmets, several Shields, and a few Helmets. Many of them still exist! Muslims call them ‘HOLY WEAPONS’.
In light of all the military equipment owned personally by Mohammed, how can anyone conclude that Islam is a ‘religion of peace’ ?
gravenimagesays
+1
Zimrielsays
If it’s a holy sword, it’s +5. +10 against infidels.
Bikinis not Burkassays
I would like to see the body armour of the fat white dwarf!
The hadith refers to a COMPANION of Pro Mo’s and the companion was ‘short and fat’. Pro Mo was a warlord and plunderer, so it’s reasonable to assume that he was in good shape…
mortimersays
The Muslim spokesman, Dr. Nusrat Ali, claimed that the conquest of India by Muslims was due to the spirituality of Sufism, even though historians have determined that over 80 million Hindus were killed by Muslim persecution.
American historian Will Durant wrote, “The Islamic conquest of India is probably the BLOODIEST STORY IN HISTORY. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within.”
Historians have estimated that thousands of Hindu temples were destroyed by Muslim rulers.
As late as 1971, a jihadic genocide occurred in East Pakistan (Bangladesh) in which 3 million Hindus were systematically killed in a planned genocide by the Pak army.
There is no credibility whatever for Nusrat Ali’s taqiyya-based claims.
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Bikinis not Burkassays
The Genocide has shifted to the endangered Race of the Pygmies in the DRC.
That’s some of the murders that have been reported!
gravenimagesays
Yes–hideous. Thanks for those links.
eduardo odraudesays
Yes, and Durant, in documenting the Islamic conquest’s genocidal behavior by Muslims against Hindus cites Muslim historians’ own texts — what they themselves describe of the events.
mortimersays
Dr. Nusrat Ali claims that Islam is blameless in regard to genocide, but facts refute this, especially with regard to the genocidal Pak army.
According to R.J. Rummel, professor of political science at the University of Hawaii, who found that Islam was a major factor in the 1971 genocide in Bangladesh.
“The (1971 Bangladesh) genocide and gendercidal atrocities were also perpetrated by lower-ranking officers and ordinary soldiers. These “willing executioners” were fueled by an abiding anti-Bengali racism, especially against the Hindu minority. “Bengalis were often compared with monkeys and chickens. Said General Niazi, ‘It was a low lying land of low lying people.’ The Hindus among the Bengalis were as Jews to the Nazis: scum and vermin that [should] best be exterminated. As to the Moslem Bengalis, they were to live only on the sufferance of the soldiers: any infraction, any suspicion cast on them, any need for reprisal, could mean their death. And the soldiers were free to kill at will. The journalist Dan Coggin quoted one Pakistani captain as telling him, “We can kill anyone for anything. We are accountable to no one.” This is the arrogance of Power.”
gravenimagesays
Video: Bill Warner and Robert Spencer discuss the Qur’an, Muhammad and Islam with a proud Muslim
…………..
muslim “scholar” like this muslim fellow seem to think that islamic teachings were around long before Hinduism or Christianity and that alone tells me the brainwashing that seems to happen with the muslim mindset.
Hinduism is over 5000 years old, Christianity over 2000 years old and islam 1400 years old, does this silly wee fella need a calculator…
Toddsays
Ali tried all the usual taqiyya but Bill and Robert swamped his deceit with facts and numerous quotes from islamic scripture. All Ali could do is deviate topic, deny or ignore quranic passages, and use the “what about” tactic. Any thinking person could see who is telling the truth. Even Ali’s comment about conspiracy theories for 9/11 is just laughable. The jihadis who did that attack wrote exactly the reasons they attacked the US, quoting the quran in the process to justify their actions. How blind can you be to ignore all the evidence and try to excuse and deny what islamic texts say, what muslim clerics preach, and what jihadis carry out – almost every day.
Eursays
It is curious and very revealing that the Muslim man speaks of past times in the first person plural (we). And also that he only mentions Isabel de Castilla (She was not called Isabela of Spain … she was called Isabel and she was Queen of Castile) to say how bad she was with them, the Muslims, without contextualizing. Isabel lived in times when, for example, the Ottomans and the Muslims of Granada enslaved the Christians in their numerous raids. Those few Christians who managed to flee and reach Castile began to hang their old chains on the facades of churches. Even today they follow these chains in San Juan de los Reyes, in Toledo. If you are interested, you can see images of these chains in google. Isabel and Fernando were neither good nor bad, it is simply history. I am a descendant of Christians but I do not consider those people from centuries ago like us. For me, we are the citizens who live in Spain: non-believers, Christians, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, Hindus … Spain’s history with Muslims is not a story of good against bad, Muslims were not always victims. I could tell so many things … for example the progrom of all the Jews of Granada in a single day (a Friday after going to prayer and harangued by the usual crazy clergymen) committed by the Muslims on a typical Friday of anger (Christians They also killed Jews harangued by fanatical priests) the continuous raids for centuries against Christian territories, the capture of hundreds of citizens of Christian kingdoms, torture, abuse, rape, churches looted and bandalized (I am from the southern part of Spain and southern Spain). my region was permanently attacked by Muslims for two centuries, all the relics moved north … Muslims entered the churches and destroyed everything) It’s funny that now they say that Muslims have always respected temples, it’s very funny. It is exactly the same thing that I have seen you with Isis or the Azerbaijanis with the Armenian churches … it is not an exception, it has always been that way.
eduardo odraudesays
I have long wondered to what extent the behavior of the Conquistadors was an inheritance from the Islamic conquest of Spain and from centuries of rule and cultural influence by Islam, jihad, and the sharia ethos and mores that were imposed in Spain.
SAFIsays
You can see Robert Spencer trying hard not to laugh as soon as the Muslim opens his mouth and starts spewing nonsense ?
gravenimagesays
🙂
Simone Fieldssays
Absolutely. I love his smiling face, I just wish it was because a Muslim has finally relented at last.
Vicki Coghlansays
A great video.
I would say the best 2 non moslem scholars on islam.
Robert and Bill.
???????????
eduardo odraudesays
David Wood is a great non-Muslim scholar of Islam — but he hasn’t produced a video in like two months now. Wondering what’s going on with him.
Vicki Coghlansays
It would be great to have a moslem doing some debating without Taqiyya.
Ade Fegansays
1) islam denies the undeniable
2) I am certain these muslims know they are lying
3) Lying about islam like this is a form of jihad
JOEYNsays
At the beginning of this video I could not really hear clearly and understand what Dr. Fouzia Raouf was saying and was kind of annoyed of her ranting for a long time. Later in the video I enjoyed her talk especially the last segment of her talk. One of the most humorous parts of the video was when Dr. Fouzia thanked and praised RS and BW for their excellent presentations and right after that asked Dr. Nusrat Ali to do the reasonable thing of abandoning this joke of an ideology called Islam.
eduardo odraudesays
Reading your comment made me interested in watching the whole thing, so I could hear Dr. Fouzia speak as you described.
Timsays
It has to be said that Nusrat Ali came across as a low IQ individual simply regurgitating a script he was handed at his mosque.
JOEYNsays
He keeps saying that the problem is not with Islam but with people (including Muslims) who are reading the Koran and the Hadiths out of context. Also talks about how highly Islam regards Jesus. What a load of crap! In fact it is Islam that is mostly responsible for poisoning and corrupting the minds of those who are helplessly born into the Islamic faith. Moreover Dr. Nusrat Ali is also playing the well-known Taqiya trick whereby when and where they are not in power they will claim how they appreciate and respect the religions of the Infidels but the moment they come into power they will oppress or murder all those who are not of the Islamic faith so that religion is all for Allah
gravenimagesays
+1
eduardo odraudesays
Yes, Islam through the Qur’an explicitly denies what many Christians would call the three core tenets of Christianity:
1.) Jesus was the unique Son of God and was God (The Qur’an says Allah has no children and is not a father — human beings are only Allah’s servants or slaves. Jesus was only a prophet, and a lesser prophet than Muhammad.)
2) Jesus was crucified (The Qur’an claims someone else was crucified in Jesus’ place and made to look like Jesus. Christians today are still deluded by that illusion.);
3) Jesus was resurrected (According to Islam, since Jesus was not crucified, neither was he ever resurrected. He was only a prophet, not God’s unique Son.)
If love is the key doctrine of Christianity, including loving your enemies (which does not mean doing whatever your enemies want nor does it mean failing to defend innocents from aggressors) — by contrast, Allah in the Qur’an talks about all the kinds of people he does not love. The Qur’an here and there mentions love, but never is it an exploration or plumbing of the depths of that miraculous phenomenon. There is nothing in the Qur’an about love like the miraculously beautiful description and espousal of love found in Paul, say, or in the life of Jesus himself. Islam is mainly a doctrine to shore up and justify tyranny. Nothing more.
Joeynsays
Yes Islam is such a shallow religion as well as a dangerous ideology. As Dr. Fouziah Rouf mentioned in the video the world would be much better of without it. If i am not wrong the only meaningful passages in the Quran actually got in there by accident while it was plagarizing from the Jewish and Christian scriptures.
eduardo odraudesays
I wouldn’t say low IQ — but not a scholar of Islam. And he was capable of self-deception in order to maintain his attachment to Islam, in which he is emotionally invested.
Simone Fieldssays
What he should have said in reply to the question ‘Why is there so much fear of Islam’ is ‘If I admitted to any of your facts, I would be dead before long.
The obfuscation is so predictable it is like watching a comedy act.
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mortimer says
Dr. Bill Warner (PhD math & physics) applied his statistical-formulaic approach to the study of Islam and found that the key to understanding Islam is dualism. Robert Spencer’s approach discovered that JIHAD Is the central pillar of Islam and that Islam cannot be understood apart from a perfect understanding of JIHAD. Fear is the logical response to JIHAD.
Bikinis not Burkas says
Fear should not be the response it should be a Neutron Bomb on the Kabbah!
Ren says
Without jihad islam would disappear. So yes, jihad is the central pillar of islam.
David Rasch says
I characterize islam as a ‘tribal’ religion centered on preserving the dominant male of the tribe. Its method of operation is to take the necessities of life from non-moslems.
eduardo odraude says
Islam also seems to be in part the sacralization of certain pre-existing forms of Near Eastern despotism and tyranny. The Near Eastern style of absolutism was given by Islam a new sacred language and justification. Allah is conceived after the image of an ancient Near Eastern tyrant-monster. (Notice that the Qur’an, 42:11, denies human beings are made in the image of God, for “nothing is like Allah” or, as one of the most popular translations puts it, “nothing is in the likeness of Allah.”
So here is a nutshell: in the Judeo-Christian paradigm, human beings are made in the image of God — hence each human being is sacred. The individual matters. In Islam, humans are not made in the image of Allah, and Allah is made in the image of a Near Eastern despot.
mortimer says
The Muslim spokesman, Dr. Nusrat Ali, claims that Islam promoted harmony, even though Islam based its economy on slavery, but slavery was good when Muslims did it. Islam had nothing to do with terrorism … (oh, really? Koran 8.60 ‘terrorize them’). The Muslim thinks that no one should fear Islam (yeah right).
Dr. Nusrat Ali thought he was going to have a bunch of rubes he could hoodwink, not knowing how thoroughly prepared Spencer and Warner actually are.
Is Mohammed the role model of Muslims? Yes. Was Mohammed a warlord … will Muslims not imitate him knowing that?
According to Islamic tradition, Mohammed personally owned 9 Swords, 7 pieces of Body Armour, 6 Bows, 5 Spears, 2 Helmets, several Shields, and a few Helmets. Many of them still exist! Muslims call them ‘HOLY WEAPONS’.
In light of all the military equipment owned personally by Mohammed, how can anyone conclude that Islam is a ‘religion of peace’ ?
gravenimage says
+1
Zimriel says
If it’s a holy sword, it’s +5. +10 against infidels.
Bikinis not Burkas says
I would like to see the body armour of the fat white dwarf!
The perfect man, NOT, defective DNA.
Muhammad was WHITE!
http://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/Reference/Hadith-2340/
Muhammad was a dwarf and fat!
http://sunnah.com/abudawud/42/154
Rick Spencer says
The hadith refers to a COMPANION of Pro Mo’s and the companion was ‘short and fat’. Pro Mo was a warlord and plunderer, so it’s reasonable to assume that he was in good shape…
mortimer says
The Muslim spokesman, Dr. Nusrat Ali, claimed that the conquest of India by Muslims was due to the spirituality of Sufism, even though historians have determined that over 80 million Hindus were killed by Muslim persecution.
American historian Will Durant wrote, “The Islamic conquest of India is probably the BLOODIEST STORY IN HISTORY. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within.”
Historians have estimated that thousands of Hindu temples were destroyed by Muslim rulers.
As late as 1971, a jihadic genocide occurred in East Pakistan (Bangladesh) in which 3 million Hindus were systematically killed in a planned genocide by the Pak army.
There is no credibility whatever for Nusrat Ali’s taqiyya-based claims.
–
Bikinis not Burkas says
The Genocide has shifted to the endangered Race of the Pygmies in the DRC.
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2021/01/15/46-pygmies-killed-dr-congo/
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/7-pygmies-8-others-killed-by-rebels-in-dr-congo/1647623
That’s some of the murders that have been reported!
gravenimage says
Yes–hideous. Thanks for those links.
eduardo odraude says
Yes, and Durant, in documenting the Islamic conquest’s genocidal behavior by Muslims against Hindus cites Muslim historians’ own texts — what they themselves describe of the events.
mortimer says
Dr. Nusrat Ali claims that Islam is blameless in regard to genocide, but facts refute this, especially with regard to the genocidal Pak army.
According to R.J. Rummel, professor of political science at the University of Hawaii, who found that Islam was a major factor in the 1971 genocide in Bangladesh.
“The (1971 Bangladesh) genocide and gendercidal atrocities were also perpetrated by lower-ranking officers and ordinary soldiers. These “willing executioners” were fueled by an abiding anti-Bengali racism, especially against the Hindu minority. “Bengalis were often compared with monkeys and chickens. Said General Niazi, ‘It was a low lying land of low lying people.’ The Hindus among the Bengalis were as Jews to the Nazis: scum and vermin that [should] best be exterminated. As to the Moslem Bengalis, they were to live only on the sufferance of the soldiers: any infraction, any suspicion cast on them, any need for reprisal, could mean their death. And the soldiers were free to kill at will. The journalist Dan Coggin quoted one Pakistani captain as telling him, “We can kill anyone for anything. We are accountable to no one.” This is the arrogance of Power.”
gravenimage says
Video: Bill Warner and Robert Spencer discuss the Qur’an, Muhammad and Islam with a proud Muslim
…………..
Good stuff.
Yohannes says
https://youtu.be/sh3FMff9L4A
https://youtu.be/HVZzUTFwXUg
Harmony my a$$…
Andrew Blackadderaa says
muslim “scholar” like this muslim fellow seem to think that islamic teachings were around long before Hinduism or Christianity and that alone tells me the brainwashing that seems to happen with the muslim mindset.
Hinduism is over 5000 years old, Christianity over 2000 years old and islam 1400 years old, does this silly wee fella need a calculator…
Todd says
Ali tried all the usual taqiyya but Bill and Robert swamped his deceit with facts and numerous quotes from islamic scripture. All Ali could do is deviate topic, deny or ignore quranic passages, and use the “what about” tactic. Any thinking person could see who is telling the truth. Even Ali’s comment about conspiracy theories for 9/11 is just laughable. The jihadis who did that attack wrote exactly the reasons they attacked the US, quoting the quran in the process to justify their actions. How blind can you be to ignore all the evidence and try to excuse and deny what islamic texts say, what muslim clerics preach, and what jihadis carry out – almost every day.
Eur says
It is curious and very revealing that the Muslim man speaks of past times in the first person plural (we). And also that he only mentions Isabel de Castilla (She was not called Isabela of Spain … she was called Isabel and she was Queen of Castile) to say how bad she was with them, the Muslims, without contextualizing. Isabel lived in times when, for example, the Ottomans and the Muslims of Granada enslaved the Christians in their numerous raids. Those few Christians who managed to flee and reach Castile began to hang their old chains on the facades of churches. Even today they follow these chains in San Juan de los Reyes, in Toledo. If you are interested, you can see images of these chains in google. Isabel and Fernando were neither good nor bad, it is simply history. I am a descendant of Christians but I do not consider those people from centuries ago like us. For me, we are the citizens who live in Spain: non-believers, Christians, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, Hindus … Spain’s history with Muslims is not a story of good against bad, Muslims were not always victims. I could tell so many things … for example the progrom of all the Jews of Granada in a single day (a Friday after going to prayer and harangued by the usual crazy clergymen) committed by the Muslims on a typical Friday of anger (Christians They also killed Jews harangued by fanatical priests) the continuous raids for centuries against Christian territories, the capture of hundreds of citizens of Christian kingdoms, torture, abuse, rape, churches looted and bandalized (I am from the southern part of Spain and southern Spain). my region was permanently attacked by Muslims for two centuries, all the relics moved north … Muslims entered the churches and destroyed everything) It’s funny that now they say that Muslims have always respected temples, it’s very funny. It is exactly the same thing that I have seen you with Isis or the Azerbaijanis with the Armenian churches … it is not an exception, it has always been that way.
eduardo odraude says
I have long wondered to what extent the behavior of the Conquistadors was an inheritance from the Islamic conquest of Spain and from centuries of rule and cultural influence by Islam, jihad, and the sharia ethos and mores that were imposed in Spain.
SAFI says
You can see Robert Spencer trying hard not to laugh as soon as the Muslim opens his mouth and starts spewing nonsense ?
gravenimage says
🙂
Simone Fields says
Absolutely. I love his smiling face, I just wish it was because a Muslim has finally relented at last.
Vicki Coghlan says
A great video.
I would say the best 2 non moslem scholars on islam.
Robert and Bill.
???????????
eduardo odraude says
David Wood is a great non-Muslim scholar of Islam — but he hasn’t produced a video in like two months now. Wondering what’s going on with him.
Vicki Coghlan says
It would be great to have a moslem doing some debating without Taqiyya.
Ade Fegan says
1) islam denies the undeniable
2) I am certain these muslims know they are lying
3) Lying about islam like this is a form of jihad
JOEYN says
At the beginning of this video I could not really hear clearly and understand what Dr. Fouzia Raouf was saying and was kind of annoyed of her ranting for a long time. Later in the video I enjoyed her talk especially the last segment of her talk. One of the most humorous parts of the video was when Dr. Fouzia thanked and praised RS and BW for their excellent presentations and right after that asked Dr. Nusrat Ali to do the reasonable thing of abandoning this joke of an ideology called Islam.
eduardo odraude says
Reading your comment made me interested in watching the whole thing, so I could hear Dr. Fouzia speak as you described.
Tim says
It has to be said that Nusrat Ali came across as a low IQ individual simply regurgitating a script he was handed at his mosque.
JOEYN says
He keeps saying that the problem is not with Islam but with people (including Muslims) who are reading the Koran and the Hadiths out of context. Also talks about how highly Islam regards Jesus. What a load of crap! In fact it is Islam that is mostly responsible for poisoning and corrupting the minds of those who are helplessly born into the Islamic faith. Moreover Dr. Nusrat Ali is also playing the well-known Taqiya trick whereby when and where they are not in power they will claim how they appreciate and respect the religions of the Infidels but the moment they come into power they will oppress or murder all those who are not of the Islamic faith so that religion is all for Allah
gravenimage says
+1
eduardo odraude says
Yes, Islam through the Qur’an explicitly denies what many Christians would call the three core tenets of Christianity:
1.) Jesus was the unique Son of God and was God (The Qur’an says Allah has no children and is not a father — human beings are only Allah’s servants or slaves. Jesus was only a prophet, and a lesser prophet than Muhammad.)
2) Jesus was crucified (The Qur’an claims someone else was crucified in Jesus’ place and made to look like Jesus. Christians today are still deluded by that illusion.);
3) Jesus was resurrected (According to Islam, since Jesus was not crucified, neither was he ever resurrected. He was only a prophet, not God’s unique Son.)
If love is the key doctrine of Christianity, including loving your enemies (which does not mean doing whatever your enemies want nor does it mean failing to defend innocents from aggressors) — by contrast, Allah in the Qur’an talks about all the kinds of people he does not love. The Qur’an here and there mentions love, but never is it an exploration or plumbing of the depths of that miraculous phenomenon. There is nothing in the Qur’an about love like the miraculously beautiful description and espousal of love found in Paul, say, or in the life of Jesus himself. Islam is mainly a doctrine to shore up and justify tyranny. Nothing more.
Joeyn says
Yes Islam is such a shallow religion as well as a dangerous ideology. As Dr. Fouziah Rouf mentioned in the video the world would be much better of without it. If i am not wrong the only meaningful passages in the Quran actually got in there by accident while it was plagarizing from the Jewish and Christian scriptures.
eduardo odraude says
I wouldn’t say low IQ — but not a scholar of Islam. And he was capable of self-deception in order to maintain his attachment to Islam, in which he is emotionally invested.
Simone Fields says
What he should have said in reply to the question ‘Why is there so much fear of Islam’ is ‘If I admitted to any of your facts, I would be dead before long.
The obfuscation is so predictable it is like watching a comedy act.