The clueless and corrupt FBI is already severely handicapped by its own willful ignorance in dealing with the jihad threat. If the terror watch list had been struck down, who would have been among the beneficiaries? The Muslim groups who claim victim status over counterterror measures never explain exactly how they propose to counter jihad terror plotting, if they propose to counter it at all.
“Fourth Circuit Upholds FBI Terrorist Watch List,” by Samantha Hawkins, Courthouse News Service, March 30, 2021 (thanks to the Geller Report):
WASHINGTON (CN) — Three conservative judges on the Fourth Circuit upheld the FBI’s terror watch list Tuesday, unanimously overturning a federal judge’s ruling which deemed it unconstitutional.
“We have such imperfect comprehension of the consequences of our interventions as to raise the prospect here of doing far more harm than good,” U.S. Circuit Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson III, a Reagan appointee, penned in the opinion.
In September 2019, U.S. District Judge Anthony Trenga in Alexandria, a Bush appointee, ruled that the government’s justifications for placing people in their Terrorist Screening Database (TSDB), which consists of over 1 million people identified as “known or suspected terrorists,” were too vague and violated constitutional rights.
Government lawyers have insisted that the program is vital to national security, and urged the judges during oral arguments not to intervene with the executive branch’s administration of the list and its national security judgments. But the nearly two dozen Muslim U.S. citizens who brought the lawsuit said the list has created significant and unconstitutional burdens for them.
In their petition, numerous Muslim-Americans say that they are routinely pulled aside in the airport for enhanced screenings, causing them to miss connecting flights. Others say that they have been detained at borders for up to 12 hours. Multiple plaintiffs claimed that they have been put in handcuffs, some say it has been difficult to get visa applications and employment, while others voiced that it’s harder to buy licenses and firearms.
But Wilkinson said the delays aren’t much different than standard delays that many travelers face.
“The delays and burdens experienced by plaintiffs at the border and in airports, although regrettable, do not mandate a complete overhaul of the TSDB,” Wilkinson wrote on behalf of himself, and Circuit Judges Julius Richardson and A. Marvin Quattlebaum, both Trump appointees.
Wilkinson ruled that the Muslim-Americans didn’t adequately demonstrate that they had been denied crossing borders, obtaining permits and the like — just that they had experienced delays. In fact, they were allowed to go through security without incident “a fair percentage of the time.” None of them alleged that they were on the “no fly” list….
somehistory says
Heard this on the radio two or three days ago. A loss for the mozlum orgs is a win for everyone else.
They want to be free to take away the freedoms of everyone who is not just like them, preying on the rest of mankind with the goals of death or tortured subjugation for every living human who will not bow to their fake ‘god,’ satan.
Being “watched” should mean they lose the freedom to skulk and sneak and prey and conspire to murder us when we shop, travel, eat, sleep…take the kids to the park, etc.
If they don’t want to be on a “terror-watch list,” they should leave their terror organization…islam…and let the FBI know they are renouncing and denouncing. Maybe then they could have their names removed. Maybe. They lie, of course, so no guarantees.
Savvyone says
Exactly! Deny your religion Lie where it serves you Terrorize your neighbor
Just 3 of their rules, but very important ones. I can attest to their behavior, firsthand!
somehistory says
Slightly OT: Car attack…followed by knife…at the Capitol Building, leaves two cops injured and the bad guy, too…by bullet or bullets.
Is it a mozlum? No surprise if the answer is yes.
somehistory says
Just heard on the radio that the attacker is dead. Just now, this moment, announcing, one of the officers is dead.
gravenimage says
Yes, this is Jihad. The attacker is Nation of Islam member “Brother Noah X”.
He managed to murder one of the police officers, though–RIP.
livingengine says
CAIR and the Watchlist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_ry24UY4jk
Orendel says
The bigger question is, why are muslim groups allowed to operate in America after 9/11?
gravenimage says
Circuit court denies challenge by Muslim groups, upholds FBI’s terror watch list
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Finally, some good news!
livingengine says
Those of you who are familiar with CAIR’s suit, which is based on the anecdotes of 23 different people, will recall perhaps CAIR’s most sensational claim that Anas Elhady was detained in a freezing room for twelve hours until he passed out.
But, the 4th Circuit addresses that in their decision thusly –
“Anas Elhady took three roundtrip domestic flights between 2013 and 2018, experiencing delays on none of them.”
In fact, this is true in all of the examples CAIR presents; no one has routinely experienced anything extraordinary.
“The delays alleged by plaintiffs at land borders or upon return from foreign countries in airports were: Saleem Ali (30 to 45 minutes, 3 hours, and 6 hours), J.A. 277, Ibrahim Awad (15 minutes on one occasion, less than 1 hour on several others), J.A. 280, John Doe 4 (30 minute delay when departing, but no delay when returning), J.A. 283, Anas Elhady (30 minutes, 1 hour, 2 hours, 4 hours, 12 hours), J.A. 284, Hassan Fares (10 to 15 minutes, 1- 2 hours), J.A. 286, Hassan Shibly (15 to 30 minutes, 2 hours, 6 hours), J.A. 291, Ahmad Al Halabi (4 to 5 hours), J.A. 276–77, Samir Anwar (3.5 hours), J.A. 279, Shahir Anwar (2 to 3 hours), J.A. 279-80, Michael Coleman (1-2 hours), J.A. 281-82, John Doe 2 (1-3 hours), J.A. 282–83, John Doe 3 (5.5 hours), J.A. 282–83, Ausama Elhuzayel (3 hours), J.A. 285, Zuhair El-Shwehdi (usually 2 hours, once 6 hours), J.A. 285 Murat Frljuckic (3.5 to 4 hours and 6 hours), J.A. 287, Wael Hakmeh (1 to 2 hours), J.A. 287–88, Adnan Khalil Shaout (30 minutes to 3 hours), J.A. 290, and Yaseen Kadura (1 hour, 7 to 8 hours)”
This is classic CAIR; exaggerating, sensationalizing, boasting, bragging, and believing their own hype.
The court reminds CAIR:
“There are multiple reasons why we cannot accept plaintiffs’ invitation to have our decision turn on the most dramatic incidents to which they point. . . In short, the Supreme Court has recognized that facial challenges will often present, as here, a plethora of differing individual circumstances, and that adopting the most extreme allegations for a holding of facial invalidity would encourage facial attacks on all manner of programs and initiatives with all of their attendant anti-democratic consequences. . . . We are simply not permitted by the Supreme Court to give dispositive weight to outlier experiences.”
It is understandable that CAIR would not know this since they are pretending to be something other than a real estate investment company. But, how could Judge Trenga have missed this this?
Equally mystifying are CAIR legal victories in their suits against anti-BDS laws in Texas, and Arkansas.
The 4th Circuit advises CAIR to break their suit into separate cases based on violations of the 14th Amendment. But, justice for individual Muslims is not what CAIR is after. They want to destroy the TSDB. That’s why they are vowing to continue fighting, and take their case before the entire 4th Circuit court.
“Gadeir Abbas, a lawyer with the Council on American-Islamic Relations, argued the case on behalf of the plaintiffs. He said he will ask the full 4th Circuit to review the case.” https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/appeals-court-upholds-constitutionality-terror-watchlist-76778217
Well, maybe he knows something the rest of us don’t.
gravenimage says
Thanks for that additional information.
Ed of Ct. Usa says
Boulder Col .Mass Killer and Capitol Car Crash killer are Fanatic Muslims. Dc Police Chief , hs.Gascon , AG.Garland and Dimwit Biden Worry about Unarmed Capitol Jan. 6th Protestors instead. No wonder Russia, Red China and Iran Regard the Usa and Stumble Bum Biden as a JOKE !
notnolib says
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that if allahu’s ackbarbarians acted like humans instead of ackbarbarians, the list may not be necessary. But truth of that matter is that allahu;’s ackbarbarians tend to be “splodeydopes”, so we have to keep an eye out for that.