Over the years we have many times pointed out the difference between genuine Islamic reformers and deceivers. A reformer admits that there are passages in the Qur’an (and Hadith) calling for violence, and tries to find ways to mitigate their ability to incite violence. A deceiver, on the other hand, declares that no such passages exist, that the problem is all with misunderstanding of Islam, and that properly understood, the Qur’an teaches peace. In the Waseem Rizvi controversy, we see why there aren’t more genuine reformers: they risk being branded apostates or heretics and murdered as a result.
“Quran controversy: Shia lawyer offers money to behead ex-UP Shia Board Chief Waseem Rizvi, offers to sell his child to collect money,” OpIndia, March 16, 2021:
Amir-ul-Hassan Jafari, a Shia lawyer and ‘activist’, has announced Rs 11 lakh bounty for whoever beheads ex-UP Shia Board Chief Waseem Rizvi for his petition to remove 26 verses from Quran. Rizvi, in his petition, alleged that these verses promote terrorism and jihad. Since the reports came out about his petition, Rizvi has been facing backlash from the Muslim community.
In his statement, former president of Moradabad Bar Association, Amir-ul-Hassan Jafari, was addressing a program in Moradabad where he said that Rizvi is a demon. “He is not a Hindu or Muslim; he is a demon. I want to announce that whoever beheads him, I will give him Rs 11 lakh.”
When Jafari was confronted by the media about his statement, he repeated that he would award anyone who brings Waseem’s head. He further added that to pay the bounty, he will collect money from the bar association, and if he still could not collect the amount, he would sell his child. When he was further asked if beheading will solve all the problems, he said, “There is no less punishment for anyone who disrespects Quran Sharif.” He claimed that had it been Sharia Law in India, Rizvi would have been stoned to death by now.
A tsunami of death threats against Rizvi
Since Rizvi filed the petition, he has been attacked with death threats. On the day he filed the petition Hasnain Jaffrey Dumpy, the national president of the Islamic organisation – Shiane-Haider-e-Karrar Welfare Association, announced that he would give Rs 20,000 to anyone who brings Rizvi’s head.
An undated video emerged from Kashmir, where a group of people were demanding a death sentence for Rizvi. For some unknown reason, they also chanted slogans against America….
As per some reports, some youth in Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh, demolished the grave Rizvi had reserved for himself in Talkatora Imambara.
In Banihal, Jammu and Kashmir, a group of Sunni Muslims burnt an effigy of Wasim Rizvi and demanded a death sentence for him.
Rizvi disowned by his family
A video of his brother Zaheer Rizvi also emerged in which he claimed that Waseem Rizvi is longer associated with his family, and for the last three years, he had not visited him once. He even called him mad.
He said, “I have no information about what he said, why he said and who asked him to say that. Allah will keep Quran safe. No one should be worried as no verses will be ever removed from the Quran.”
Peter Buckley says
Nice to see the ummah getting along so well, as usual. This is supposedly the “fastest-growing religion”, remember…
In India, like everywhere else, the mass exodus from Islam has begun:
https://www.firstpost.com/long-reads/indias-ex-muslims-3274246.html
How we enjoying this. What wondrous times are these…..
gravenimage says
I hope so, Peter.
Mike says
Never peace
Always hate
thus islamophobia Islam hates non believers and demand respect
Countries trying to combat islamophobia thus don’t change your guide to hate
islamophobia will never stop as long as Islam closes there eyes the way we see it
Islam lets be frank you hate us and want us dead well likewise
Shawn says
I would like to know how fools such as Trudeau,Biden and EU leaders see a plus into wanting Islam as part of their countries? From my research,only the downside can be expected.
Onesaffronladoftherisingsun says
Marxshit doctrines have been successfully pumped into atleast 3-5 generations in america. This is retardation of sheep.
Rishi Sarin says
For political gains the Trudeaus & the Bidens of the world are in favor of appeasing & pandering to Jihadis.
This is not tolerance. It’s appeasement. It’s cowardice & treason.
We are in a race between collapsing systems struggling to prop up an impossible situation despite the outbursts of violence and those who tell the truth about them. The worse the situation becomes, the more the systems will try to retain control through censorship. Unable to control the followers of Mohammed, they will instead seek to control those who tell the truth about him.
Telling the truth will become more dangerous, but it will also save lives.
James Lincoln says
Rishi Sarin says,
“Unable to control the followers of Mohammed, they will instead seek to control those who tell the truth about him.”
Perfectly stated, my compliments…
Narayan Kumar says
Precise! The gains are short-term and people will eventually see the truth. There is very little evidence of peaceful co-existence when it comes to this religion. Even if they constitute barely one percent of the population, there is bound to be trouble.
Hadrian says
Thing is, even the BJP is against the campaign. They’re probably trying to appease the Muslim voter bank after the Ayodhya judgement.
Anyway, to be fair, banning of verses is counterproductive. This has happened before too. In 1984, H.K. Chakraborty, filed a petition with the West Bengal state government to ban the Quran. He added a list of 37 Quran verses which “preach cruelty, incite violence and disturb public peace” (to use the terminology of the Penal Code), 17 verses which “promote, on grounds of religion, feelings of enmity, hatred and ill-will between different communities in India”, and 31 verses which “insult other religions as also the religious beliefs of other communities”. Even after subtracting some verses which could be regarded as legitimate polemics, there are about 60 passages in the Quran that formulate a doctrine of demonisation of non-Muslims, of hatred and violence against them. If the Indian laws prohibit communal hate propaganda, Chakraborty was right in considering the Quran as an excellent candidate for banning. But the WB High Court decided that the Quran was the Divine word of God and cannot be judged by earthly means. So much for secularism, eh?
Thing is, even the petitioners had made it clear that they didn’t expect them to actually follow through with the ban and that would’ve been counterproductive, as I said earlier. Their true motives was to expose the pseudo-secular nature of the Indian Constitution. In all likelihood, this petition will meet the same fate. This is simply a reminder of what exactly had happened over 3 decades ago.
The fact that its a Shia Muslim in this case, should be a stronger reminder for future generations. Wonder what Madam Truschke would have to say, telling females and Muslims to “be careful” when that film director had come to campus after the Rutgers debacle. Fucking bootlicker.
Brajanarayan says
You are right. Politics is not a tool for socio-religious reformations. These are the road-nlocks because they thrive on votes. The community leaders should play major roles.
Onesaffronladoftherisingsun says
Modi has inherited a very fucked up system. It will take time for the greatness. How long I dont know but eventually it will.
Because, there is no damn state patronage for Hindu Dharma. Such a patronage existed before 1947 and that led to a Hindu revival in 18th century. Maharani Ahilyabai was able to construct and rebuild hundreds of temples as she was not constrained by a dhimmi secular constitution. In fact, the secular state is directly against the interests of Hindus, the largest stateless religion in the world! Hindus took a giant leap of faith when they opted for a system of republic, making the constitution their holy book. Little did they realise that the same book will be the cause of their eventual destruction .. When the PM of the nation says that constitution is the holy book, he forgets that similar proclamation has led to destruction of civilizations in the past.
Secularism in India is a version in which inequality, inconsistency and intrusion are the key attributes.
Replace Romans with Hindus , everything remains same its just jupiter no longer sends vibrations unto the heart but Hindu Gods do.
Romans faced the scourge of christianity .
Hindus face the scourge of secular constitution.
Being said so you see we have been enduring against all odds and will continue to do so.
As far as BHARAT is concerned, the Sanatana Vedic civilisational vigour has not fully ebbed unlike the West whose dominance is visibly declining because its classical learning and culture has been decimated. Indeed, Douglas Murray’s Strange Death of Europe is a statement of this reality and an expression of the acceptance of an inevitably tragedy which the West is too weak to prevent.
In direct contrast, We presents perhaps a last reawakening because this civilisational vigour is slowly reasserting itself in myriad forms. One method of channelizing this vigour and making it more muscular and confident is to begin openly, ruthlessly questioning the qualifications of those who seek to demonise or tar Sanatana Dharma. Arguing with or rebutting them implies that we’re giving them a credibility they never had in the first place.
gravenimage says
I don’t think that an equitable secular constitution is in itself a problem–theocracies are seldom a good solutiion for anyone, even the sect it is purported to support. And instituting “blasphemy” laws makes you all too like Shari’ah states.
The problem is appeasing Muslims and bowing to Islamic surpremacy.
And any civilized faith–Islam or Christianity or any other–is capable of answering its critics, not criminalizing them.
And the idea that peaceful Chirstians were a “scourge” in the Roman Empire is just bizarre.
Onesaffronladoftherisingsun says
1)The secularism in India is a fucked up horseshit. You want the govt to not partake in Hindu practices but are fine with it receiving BILLIONS through the control of 104,000 Hindu temples.
Govts of five southern States control 90,700 temples; TN Temple Trusts own 478,000 acres of land. Tamil Nadu State govt alone controls 36,425 temples and 56 mathas.
And guess what then they use this money to fund jihadis and churches. If this aint sheer
Is this Secularism? RETURN this money before they whorecry about Saffronisation.
If one truly believes that Religion should keep out of State, the corollary is equally applicable: that State should keep out of Religion.
Read article 30 (1)
2) Secularism means the state machinery divorcing itself from any form of religious activity, either overtly or covertly, and not that it would promote minorityism while showing contempt for the majority Hindus and Hindu festivals.
3)Those who have read history carefully will know that shitlame has been critical of FoS for a very long time. This same Freedom of Speech is the most important weapon in anyone’s arsenal to expose this pedo desert cult. it is based on absolutes and thus any substantial criticism of al kitab will bring down the whole religion like a pack of cards. This is the reason that it fears FoS more than anything else and has inbuilt mechanism to deal with transgressions. For eg. death for apostasy and ridiculing prophet.
4) The downfall of the Roman civilization has its root in the death of paganism. You should read the role of law makers in this destruction of Roman Empire and how it started to become more and more anti pagan.
Btw …
The leftards here are in bed with abrahamics. I am not generalizing anything about christians. Lets be factual here buddy. We have a problem with evangelical ngos here and that is why Foreign contribution regulation amendment 2020 was passed which resulted in cancellation of over 6600 ngo license. You probably saw recently some ngos started a failed campaign on twatter to de-legit worlds largest democracy ? This is out of huge butthurt.Now it has become very difficult to fund vermins like audrey trushke.- the biggest quote whore . With as many as 458 NGOs losing their licence in Tamil Nadu alone which were promoting rice bag mafia shows how much of a weapon this FCRA amendment has been.When CAA amendment was passed that provides for the expedited citizenship of persecuted minorities from shariah shitholes , we didnt see not a single christian supporting that law. Clearly christians here are not all the same.
That oxfam is one such ngo which is paid in billions by british goverment in the name of christian aid.Oxfam has also links to cucksgress.In 2005, just a year after the upa government came to power, the Naxal terrorist and magsaysay Award winner Sandeep Pandey organized something called peace march . Noted donors to this march include oxfam.As recently as February 2020, Sandeep Pandey was arrested in Lucknow for distributing inflammatory anti-CAA pamphlets . I can give hundreds of examples.
Regards…
gravenimage says
A lot of this in India doesn’t sound much like in secularism to me, but instead selective support of Islam.
I must say that your idea that leftists are big supporters of Christians is way off–certainly, in the West they are generally very hostile.
There were a lot of factors in the fall of the Roman Empire–barbarian invasions, internal corruption and loss of confidence, and the rise of Islam as a final coup de grace. Your idea that Christianity destroyed this civilizatiin is a very odd one.
Onesaffronladoftherisingsun says
Dear gravenimage.
1) The biggest problem the world is facing today is that free market advocates and those on the right have not been very successful in destroying left because they don’t seem to understand them well. Failure to understand them has led to the result that everyone who does not agree with the left’s agenda is immediately branded illiberal, fascist or with some other ugly and fancy word that leftists often coin to denounce their opponents. Most right wingers think that leftists can be defeated by right economics and making people rich.
But you must understand that Marx was a cultural critic and not an economist in the actual sense of the word. Thus most of his work has dealt with subverting society using the cultural agenda rather than just use the economic agenda.
If you have noticed, communists usually attack the cultural icons of the society wherever they are- christianity in the west or Hinduism in BHARAT because marxshits have a deep hatred for present cultural order, which stops them from implementing their agenda. That’s why they are attacking christmas in the west and want to secularise it. While they are calling for secularisation of christmas, on the other hand, they are simultaneously asking for the inclusion of Ramzan and other non-Christian festivals as part of western culture. Back here , they try to secularise Hindu festivals like Pongal, Onam and Durga Puja while pushing to incorporate christmas and Ramzan as bastardization of culture even though these festivals have nothing to do with Hindus.
After having successfully destroyed the cultural milieu, the marxshits have now set their eyes on the family, the last bastion of social order – feminism lesbian bs dildo culture and removing all sorts of obscenities in the name of censorship.
We are witnessing exactly this in west right now. The marxshit doctrines have been quite successfully pumped in atleast 3-5 generations there. This is retardation of sheep.
2) Ofcourse it was a combination of factors but….
“The ruin of Paganism, in the age of Theodosius, is perhaps the only example of the total extirpation of any ancient and popular superstition; and may therefore deserve to be considered as a singular event in the history of the human mind.“ As has been rightly pointed out, it is one of the most singular event in the history of world that a civilization came to an end so abruptly. One can correctly identify the actions of all the three organs of the state, legislature, executive and judiciary that led to such a fall.
Regards…
Infidel says
Onesaffronladoftherisingsun
At least here in the US, it’s true that the GOP has been totally obsessed on economics and geopolitics, and totally ceded the cultural space to the Left. All they seem to care about are tax rates, while not wanting to touch issues like abortion w/ a bargepole. What they don’t realize is that people who adapt the Left culturally won’t lend a sympathetic ear to tax cutters.
What confounds this is that the new generation of corporate leaders have all gone woke, and some are even more Left of Bernie and AOC. So you have the party trying to appease them, even while they actively work to deplatform them and make it impossible for ordinary people on the right to participate in the economy. When companies like Mastercard refuse to let their cards be used to buy guns, they’re meddling in people’s private activities on a scale unheard of even in third world countries
This seems pretty different from India in quite a few ways. There, the right never ceded control of the colleges to the Left: I recall the ABVP being pretty active on campuses even in the 80s. Then there have been active protests and pushbacks against commercials mocking Hindu festivals, even while they reverentially treat muslim ones. Most recently, when people were upset at Twitter, they created a new platform Koo and moved to it. And outlets like OpIndia have noticed the gender dystopian revolution taking place in the West: there was this shocking story about this dad in Canada who got imprisoned for calling his daughter his daughter. While Indians have become more tolerant of LGBTQ, the RSS did come up w/ a perfectly rational response – that it’s not a crime, but nor is it something to be celebrated
I also endorse this campaign by J Sai Deepak to get the government control out of all Hindu temples, and transfer that to the Hindu community. The muslims have their waqf boards, the Sikhs have their gurudwara prabhandak committees, the Hindus should be free of the government and allowed to have either unitary or distributed nodes of control for religious institutions, which should run their temples, schools and so on. India may not always have a Hindutva government, so it needs to lay down the template where society runs healthily independent of who’s in power
gravenimage says
I agree that a proposition to remove violent verses from the Qur’an is probably not the most useful approach–but that Muslims have reacted so murderously to this porposal exposes how unhinged pious Muslims are.
Singh T. Junior says
Most threats are made by these uneducated and dumb people who live in India and do not understand the basics of law and order. Nobody has right to put bounty on another citizen and nobody has right to sell another human being to raise money. This is what islamists did in 632 AD. This moslem must be arrested and prosecuted under the existing legal apparatus. Youtube has an army of jihadists working day and night to report videos or comments that show the real side of islam and once that number reaches 10000, Youtube bans the channel. The islamists who live off welfares all day have plenty of time to do this.
gravenimage says
This is orthodox Islam.
latha says
Here the one who says he’ll sell his child to reward the killers of Waseem Rizvi is not uneducated. He himself is not only a lawyer but unfortunately is also the “President of the Bar Association”. The more educated they become the more violent they are by using their power. MOdi is opening innumerous Universities in Kashmir with our tax money to “reform” them. Day by day he is proving a disaster to Hindus who voted him to power.
In India a muslim judge told in the open court to a muslim, “I’m ashamed of you as a muslim. You have left your enemy (kafir) alive instead of plunging a knife at his heart. Aren’t you ashamed as a muslim ?” Needless to say he continued as the judge unhindered in this dhimmi “secular” country.
Infidel says
The UP government, which has done a great job in passing laws against marriage jihad and cow slaughter, should arrest Jafari, and start the process of getting his law license impounded. Just make it clear that this sort of thuggish behavior will not be tolerated. Also make it clear to muslims of any sect who’re enraged at all this – they are free to go to Bangladesh or Pakistan, whichever they choose
Onesaffronladoftherisingsun says
YOGI is a Dharmic nationalist a no nonsense man of culture and stubborn as Himalayas.
Prayagraj: IG bans use of loudspeakers from 10 pm-6 am after Allahabad University VC complains against ‘azan’
See – https://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/prayagraj-ig-bans-use-of-loudspeakers-from-10-pm-6-am-after-allahabad-university-vc-complains-against-azan/734417
Infidel says
Yogi has done great things, like the latest laws against marriage jihad and cow slaughter: another great one is reverting ancient Hindu cities that were islamized back to their pre-islamic names. Allahabad became Prayagraj (why not Prayag, which is what it was called: Prayagraj seems to suggest that it’s a new state?), Faisabad district became Ayodhya district (Faisabad city should have become Saket), and he’s exploring new names for Agra. One thing there – he should celebrate the Jats, who destroyed the Mughal presence there in the 18th century, rather than the Marathas
The other great thing he’s done to resurrect his state is totally renovate the tourist circuit – both Hindu and Buddhist. The Hindu tourist circuit would attract domestic tourists, while the Buddhist circuit helps India battle China for the hearts and minds of East Asian Buddhists – from Burma to Vietnam as well as Korea and Japan
Onesaffronladoftherisingsun says
Yogi is tough as nails by temperament. Once he has made up his mind, there is no power on earth which can move him. Yogi’s rule has proved a blessing for Uttar Pradesh. Never before has the lawless state been ruled by an iron fisted leader respected for his sincerity and incorruptibility even by diehard political enemies. Given his familiarity with the workings of the mafia in the badlands of east UP, criminals were the first to be clobbered. The police were given full powers to bring them to justice. Scores have either been consigned to the creator or made to rot in jail in the last three years.
Illegal slaughter houses were shut, and anti-CAA protests by the dhimmi mafia proactively suppressed. A budgetary allocation of Inr 122 crore has been made to modernize the police, a long overdue measure ignored by the corrupt regimes of the past. An industrial corridor exclusively aimed at manufacturing defense equipment is in the works. Hindu festivals like Diwali are celebrated with full aplomb in Ayodhya. The 2019 Kumbh Mela at Prayagraj was perhaps the best ever organized. Yogi, in fact, is the only CM of a BJP ruled state who is executing the Hindutva agenda with unswerving dedication.
Recently Then that French firm and Kanpur’s MKU to make night vision devices for armed forces in UP worth thousands crores and major defence players with Yogi Adityanath discussing investments in UP defence industrial corridor worth billions.
Infidel says
I think that whenever Modi retires – I believe he can’t run again in 2024 since he will be 74 and the BJP’s retirement age is 75 – it won’t be an automatic succession for Amit Shah, and that the BJP will probably have to pick b/w him and Yogi. That would be like the 2014 when the BJP suddenly had a movement that saw Modi displace Advani as the Prime Minister candidate
I find it interesting that both Yogi and Amit Shah are campaigning in Bengal, and drawing crowds. That’s a state where until 2019, had one suggested that the BJP would win anything, they’d have laughed at you in your face: it’s akin to the GOP here winning California
jca reid. says
The Quran cannot be reformed. It should not be altered in any way. simply left on Bookshelves & used to show people how idiotic it really is & how it has conned thousands of millions for centuries & how idiotic people can be. The entire business of Islam is Perverse. As the former US President Abe Lincoln said, …… you can’t fool ALL the People All the Time.” Islam is the biggest Lie of all.
gravenimage says
India: Muslim leader says he will sell his child to raise bounty for head of man who called for reforming Qur’an
…………….
Only a pious Muslim would think that selling his own child into pedophilic sexual slavery in order to raise money for the murder of a peaceful would-be reformer is moral.
God, I hate Islam.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
lakh = 100,000 = 10^5
crore = 100 lakhs = 10 million = 10^7
1 Indian rupee = USD 0.01 = 1 cent = 1 yen (approx.; see
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=indian+rupee+exchange+rate&t=chromentp&atb=v200-1&ia=currency )
So Rs 11 lakh = 1,100,000 Indian rupees = USD 11,000 = $11,000, and Rs 20,000 = $200
https://www.opindia.com/2021/03/shial-lawyer-waseem-rivzi-behead-offer-bounty/
This OpIndia article contains no information about the going rate for a child, nor anything about the child in questions. Nor is any information given about how the identity of the head will be verified.
Infidel says
Mark, right now, the going rate is Rs 72.43 is $1
Note that OpIndia writes these w/ an Indian, rather than American, readership in mind
James Lincoln says
So, according to the feature article:
“A video of his brother Zaheer Rizvi also emerged in which he claimed that Waseem Rizvi is longer associated with his family..”
At least one good thing came out of this…
Infidel says
After this, he can drop his suggestion to the Indian government that they include shi’a muslims as people allowed to seek refuge for religious persecution under the Citizenship Amendment Act
gravenimage says
I hope he does drop it, Infidel. India bringing in more Muslims of any sect would be a disaster.
Khushi says
I agree. No more muzzies in India. The ones we have here are too many anyway and they are producing more muzzies than we need. They do not practice birth control at all. Muslim men in India are allowed to have 4 wives legally.
Andrew Blackadder says
Can it be that all the drinking of Camel Urine affects the Brain…Ya think?.
Old Guy says
Just plain sick, and Biden-Harris have opened our borders to the Muslim Islamic hate and death to America crazy. WHY?
There must be a lot of money passing under the table to support this open borders policy.
Crusades Were Right says
Beheading and slavery: what have those things got to do with Islam?
Odd that a “Shia lawyer” would be so ignorant!
lol
latha says
Jihadwatch is banned again at least in India by Google Chrome & I am reading it from a foreign browser. My previous comment here just vanished.
marc says
new commentators comments are sent for moderation, and yes, we should all get used to using a VPN to bypass censorship, it’s not only india
Infidel says
Latha, download and use either Brave or Dissenter (from Gab). I’ve stopped using Chrome for a while now
latha says
Children were made to hold namaz in the middle of the road blocking the entire traffic to & fro. Imagine a fire engine or Ambulance carrying a heart patient or a student having to give am exam having to wait for the namaz to finish ! 3 were taken into custody not for the nuisance caused but for sharing the picture in social media :
https://www.telegraphindia.com/jharkhand/children-offering-namaz-on-hazaribagh-road-sparks-controversy/cid/1809483
latha says
Jihadwatch is now restored in Google Chrome in India.
somehistory says
This is a terrible thing, but no big surprise.
mo slums “sell” their children into war…strap bombs on their little bodies and send them to stand near Israeli soldiers, climb onto busses, etc.; literally sell their daughters into sex slavery to filthy, nasty, old male mo slums and call it “marriage.”
So, to sell his child to pay hit money…in his evil belief…is no big deal. mo slums are not like most humans…they have no love or, as the Apostle Paul wrote, “no natural affection.” Even for their little kids.
Slime like this creep are children of the devil, demonic in their hearts, without any redeeming qualities, without value or virtue.