Stop the sensationalist press! Oakland is not Baghdad (Although I wonder, if pre-eminent three dot journalist Herb Caen were still alive, would he still refer to that certain city on the other terminus of the Bay Bridge as Baghdad-by-the-Bay?)

Posted by: Lisa at November 29, 2005 6:39 PM

How much you wanna bet that not one media source will report this as an act by islamists, even if they are from the NOI?

Posted by: pastor_matt023 at November 29, 2005 6:58 PM

I just drove by to check on the site... store looks a mess... told my neighbor, he is going to snap some pics of the scene. Media is still saying "Well dressed African Americans"...

Posted by: Alone at November 29, 2005 7:43 PM

Alone,

Channel 2 at 10 and channel 7 at 11.

Let's see what they have to say.

Posted by: PRCS at November 29, 2005 8:20 PM

Leave "African Americans" out of it. This mayhem has nothing to do with "African Americans." It has to do with Islam, and those who choose, as the attackers did, to take their Islam straight up.

Posted by: Hugh at November 29, 2005 8:21 PM

Well this is just great, its getting so a guy cant even buy a beer in Oakland.

This is quite the muslim condundrum, how does an islamofascist possibly respond to this?

Do they applaud the attack, I mean an arab was selling liquor, of all things, but he was attacked by non-arabs?

Or do they condemn the attack because an arab was attacked, but muslims did the attacking?

Then again, it was black muslims (bad) attacking an arab muslim (good) who was selling alchohol (bad).

...*scratches head*...

Oh well, I guess the islamothugs will just have to kill everyone. Problem solved, no more conundrum!

Posted by: Dead Infidel Walking at November 29, 2005 8:28 PM

Both the SF Chronicle and KTVU news have repeatedly identified the attackers as NOI members who instigated the attacks to stop the sale of alcohol to the African-American community (as if the community is all NOI). Islam prohibition against alcohol has clearly been identified as the motive behind the attacks. The news sources have also repeatedly identified the store owners as Arab Muslim. Oakland PD is treating the attacks on the store owners as a religious hate crime.

I have been using the newscasts and newspaper articles as my fodder to teaching the skeptics about me that this is what Islam is all about, taking Allah's law into one's own hands. Now where is CAIR to defend the civil rights of these Muslim victims of religious hate crimes?

Posted by: Lisa at November 29, 2005 8:36 PM

A few minutes ago, on a Fox program, Mr. Quannel X of the New Black Panther Nation identified the perpetrators as 'young Muslim men'.

He also spoke against "...those so-called Muslims from other countries who come into his community and sell alcohol...", or something pretty close to that.

He also said that the store owners greet black Muslims at mosque, but then disrespect them with liquor sales.

Bit of a quandry there.

Posted by: PRCS at November 29, 2005 10:05 PM

I've already heard neo-prohibitionists from the religious right tacitly supporting this sort of garbage. I have a liquor store so nearby I could probably hit it with a driver shot if I got one good bounce off the road, yet, somehow, through power of will I manage to drink maybe twice a year.

I thought 'conservatives' believed in taking personal responsibility for one's actions.

Posted by: Beagle at November 29, 2005 11:21 PM

From PRCS:

"He also said that the store owners greet black Muslims at mosque, but then disrespect them with liquor sales."

Is it not disrespectful to assault another Muslim and burn his property? This is horrible.

It is my hope that Jihad Watch and Dhimmi Watch continue to grow and spread the truth about Islam.
We must win this war.

Posted by: CRUSADER at November 30, 2005 1:33 AM

The "Nation of Islam" in America believe that "The Honorable" Elijah Mohammed was a prophet. A little tid-bit they should keep to themselves if they ever make the pilgrammage to Mecca.....for reasons we here at this site all know.

Posted by: Infidel One at November 30, 2005 1:36 AM

I'm very pleased that the moo slime boys were out busting up liquor stores and abusing the workers - the more 'in our backyard' displays of moo slime intent to rule America, the more likely a few more non moo slimes will wake up, before it's too late.

The media in the U.K. keeps calling moo slimes 'asian', much to the fury of Hindus and Buddhists from India, Chinese and other asians. Thus the three muslims who were just arrested for killing a policewoman are only described as 'asians' by the police, BBC and brit newspapers; obviously government policy.

Posted by: dby at November 30, 2005 3:57 AM

Thus the three muslims who were just arrested for killing a policewoman are only described as 'asians' by the police, BBC...
They had to do a quick hop, skip and jump when two of them turned out to be Somali of course.

Getting back to this story, wasn't Oakland run by the Hells Angels at one time? Sonny Bargas and his men? Or have I got the wrong Oakland. If the right Oakland when and how did the underground balance of power shift? Not that you want anywhere "run" by criminals of course.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at November 30, 2005 4:23 AM

Well mates, if the liquor store owners start firing hollow points at these frilly shirt wearing wankers, the scenery will change quickly.

Posted by: Unbridled at November 30, 2005 8:16 AM

Disrespectful to trash each others property?

Well, I dunno. They do it all the time in the ME.

And horrible?

I guess that depends on one's point of view. Mine? It's a Muslim 'thing' that the public needs to know about.

Posted by: PRCS at November 30, 2005 8:49 AM

Granny:

Yes, Granny, if memory serves, you have the right Oakland, California.

Otherwise, this story may harken an interesting turn of events. Black American Muslim converts harassing immigrant Muslims from various Asian countries conducting legal businesses. What ever will the usual suspects (Saudi Arabian-funded Muslim lobby organizations and other "anti-Islamophobia" organizations) do about this kind of "Muslim on Muslim" violence?

You'd think the NOI might have greater concerns in the world, like say protesting the genocide being perpetrated against their black Muslim brethren in Darfur at the genocidal janjawid militias, instead of engaging in outright acts of thuggery.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 30, 2005 9:35 AM

Moslems have a long history of asserting vigilante Sharia when unhappy with the behavior of other Moslems.

I read a while back where an imam in Sri Lanka was stringing men up in baskets and then whipping the soles of their feet with bamboo sticks to punish their immoral behavior.

So then, Sharia has finally debuted here in America. While Caribou Coffee is the soft Sharia, the Nation of Islam is the punitive kind.

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Years from now, as America nears the tip-in point, I predict that there will be an en masse conversion of many, not all, African-Americans to Islam so as to avoid dhimmitude.

Clearly they have been a recruiting target for some time now.

Has Malik Zulu Shabazz weighed in on the bow ties yet?

Posted by: Duke Eudes at November 30, 2005 10:16 AM

Well well well.

Turns out that one of the bow tie aggrieved and sanctimonious prerogate perps just arrested is the son of Papa Doc Yusef Bey, founder of the notorious Black Muslim Bakery in Oakland, they of the anti-MacDonald's dietary politics.

I'm not sure what the good doctor got his degree in, but this sexy Moslem was charged a few years back for sexually assaulting a 13-year-old girl 20 years earlier. Bey's DNA confirmed that he sired the now 20-year old illegitimate girl from his then 13-year old mother.

Later in 2002 it also came out that the good Dr. Bey, Virile Moslem Man he, raped four other pubsescent girls as they hung around the Black Muslim Bakery seeking Islamic guidance.

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It is heartening to see Moslem leaders not be hypocrites, but to instead to abide by their faith.

If Mohammed the Holy Prophet could have sexual intercourse with a 9-year old girl, then Dr. Bey engaging in hot sex with multiple underage girls is only right and proper... by Islamic standards, at least.

Posted by: Duke Eudes at November 30, 2005 11:14 AM

Granny,

If you ever get a chance to visit Baghdad-by-the-Bay (where they have little cable cars, morning fog and all that), I will take you across the bay to Oakland, the majority of Oakland that doesn't make the news. The Oakland of leafy streets, trattoria, boutiques, antiques and what must be one of the best fabric stores anywhere. The Oakland of morning jogs around Lake Merrit near the city center. The Oakland of Lincoln Blvd. that contains within a half mile stretch places of worship for many of the major religions of the world existing together in peace (can you guess which releigion is not represented on this street?). The Oakland of tiny craftsman style 2 bed 1 bath homes that cost the same as a palatial estate in other metropolitan areas of the States. The Oakland of the Peidmonte where palatial style estates are on par with the palazzo of the Peidmonte. The Oakland of Clarememont Hills where one can indulge oneself in a luxury hotel and spa worthy of any European royalty. The Oakland of one of the largest and busiest shipping ports in the States. The Oakland which is the next door neighbor of Berkeley, one of the most eclectic cities anywhere. The Oakland of Jerry Brown, mayor, once affectionately known as Governor Moonbeam and paramour to Linda Rondstatt, but has done an amazing job in making Oakland one of the premier cities. The Oakland of fine waterfront dining and the freshest seafood, the tenderest midwest grain fed beef and the best Bombay Sapphire martinis. And the Oakland of BBQ Pork and the finest ale from a local microbrewery.

Verily, Oakland pales in comparison to its more famous neighbor across the bay at the other terminus of the bridge, but that is like saying my charitable works pale in comparison to those of Mother Teresa. As for that more famous neighbor, Baghdad-by-the-Bay is a name give to it by Herb Caen, an old time pulitzer prize winning dearly departed three dot journalist who frequently extolled the virtues of Vitamin V (vodka).

Well, I must get back to work. But I do need to find time later today to drive over to Half Moon Bay and forage about the steam pots for the first of the Dungeness crab hauled up from local waters, the sweetest crab in the world. The crab season opened one week late this year denying me the true Thanskgiving holiday feast of cracked Dungeness crab with a pure garlic infused melted butter dip and a bottle of a Chardonnay from the north bay adjacent and morning fog Carneros region, which is more floral on the nose and fruitier on the palate than its more oaked siblings from further inland up in The Valley.

Posted by: Lisa at November 30, 2005 12:44 PM

I am not sure that this story will get posted on DW, so I deposit it, for the record, under the sweet aromas above. And if you haven't read Lisa's post, and are in need of a meal, I recommend that you take a little food first, to save yourself from painful, biting pangs of hunger, which will quickly turn into tightly squeezed stomach knots if you do not live in proximity to good seafood.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/11/30/MNGDVG0B5B1.DTL

It seems the culprits in this case are involved with the local Black Muslim bakery, which is having some tumultuous and violent internal problems of its own. The acts appear to have very little to do with the global jihad, other than the general fact that again the Qur'an is found inspiring violence in the minds of poor, troubled souls.

Time for lunch...

Posted by: JTF at November 30, 2005 1:16 PM

I am not sure that this story will get posted on DW, so I deposit it, for the record, under the sweet aromas above. And if you haven't read Lisa's post, and are in need of a meal, I recommend that you take a little food first, to save yourself from painful, biting pangs of hunger, which will quickly turn into tightly squeezed stomach knots if you do not live in proximity to good seafood.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/11/30/MNGDVG0B5B1.DTL

It seems the culprits in this case are involved with the local Black Muslim bakery, which is having some tumultuous and violent internal problems of its own. The acts appear to have very little to do with the global jihad, other than the general fact that again the Qur'an is found inspiring violence in the minds of poor, troubled souls.

Time for lunch...

Posted by: JTF at November 30, 2005 1:16 PM

Lisa
That's a very generous invitation and one I would love to take up, family and finances permitting. I definitely like the sound of "the best fabric stores anywhere."
Tell me more. Why are your local crabs called Dungeness? My husband has fished off Dungeness in Kent for codling and dab, it's not an area noted for shellfish and so near to the power station that many people are dubious about fishing anything there at all. Did the name come from settlers from Kent generations ago? Are they found all along the west coast or just the bay? Did you get some today as you wanted?
Enjoy!

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at November 30, 2005 1:27 PM

Granny,

Here in GMT -8:00 land, I am still trying to get through my morning dose of emails and FYI memos. La seconda colazione at una picolla osteria in San Francisco's North Beach neighborhood must wait.

You piqued my interest about the name Dungeness, and I thought the name may have been adopted around the time Sir Francis Drake was exploring the northern California coast in search of a cetain large secluded inland bay that was known from the earlier Spaniard expeditions led by Portola.

Drake missed the fog shrouded opening (The Golden Gate) to San Francisco Bay and instead enterd the inlet at what is now known as Tomales Bay slightly further north, just past the coastal Drake's Bay. Tomales Bay is host to the town of Inverness, where Charles and Camilla attended church, oyster farms at Hog Island (love that name) where one can buy and eat fresh shucked oysters to the hearts content, and Point Reyes where the finest artisan cheeses from local dairies may be found. From an aerial map, one sees that Tomales Bay is formed by the San Andreas fault.

Anyway, back to Dungeness, the best I coud find that the name was taken from a fishing port in Washington state by the same name.

Posted by: Lisa at November 30, 2005 1:50 PM

Granny,

There are two fabric stores, one in Oakland's Rockridge neighborhood and another in San Francisco's Union Square that you could spend a whole holiday at these two stores alone. They have bolts of to-die-for fabrics that the chain fabric stores just can not match.

Sorry, guys, I am letting my enthusiam (and boredom at work) get the best of me.

Posted by: Lisa at November 30, 2005 1:57 PM

Lisa
Two fabric shops......mmmmm.....
I have one fabric shop off the market a bus ride away. The best shop is in the town about an hour and a half away where my parents-in-law live. They joke that I don't visit them, I come for supplies. The shop in my own town centre will reopen shortly as a resturant with flats over. When I visited the borough where I grew up recently I was pleased to see that the shop where my Mother bought my first length for school sewing lessons, which was run by a very helpful elderly lady who sorted me out most of my teen wardrobe was still selling fabric. I walked in and was met with silence. Did Madam want black, black, or black for an abayya or a chadour?

As crabs go in England these are probably a little dinky by US standards but are considered among the best
http://www.bbc.co.uk/norfolk/your/out_about/map/nnorfolk_coast_pictures3.shtml

And for a typical East End sea food supper (jellied eels, whelks) these are your people
http://www.oldleigh.com/cocklesheds.html

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at November 30, 2005 3:43 PM

Declaration of War

This is a declaration of war against the United States. Don't laugh! These attacks have nothing to do with liquor sales. The attacks are to show who controls that neighborhood. The Muslims want control. So they intimidate the owner of the liquor store to gain control of that neighborhood. You don't comply, this is what happens. Just like the Mafia does. Just like Hitler did with his S.S. Little by little they gain control over the whole city. Just like the Muslims are now doing in Europe.

Lock these Muslims up and throw away the key. This action agains the liquor store reprsents war against the United States. Don't let the press understate the threat here.

Posted by: DavidE at November 30, 2005 10:15 PM

oh yes, In the Timor attacks against Christians, the media reported that christian and muslim gangs were fighting,,, it was not christian and muslims fighting, it was Muslims with guns slaughtering thousands of Christians who only had sticks to protect themselves with.. The bias world wide is now against Church going people. It suits the left to try to destroy christian values, as there are certian things that the left want to do, which is against what the Bible says. What they dont seem to realise is there is often a medical reason why God had these laws or values... as an example, homosesuality is not allowed for certain reasons. There seems to be a bigger pull to pedophilia, most people dont realise that 30% of homosexuals are pedophiles, then there is a Medical Downside of Homosexual Behaviour, eg
In the mid-20th century, male homosexuals constituted about 8% of men afflicted with anal cancer; but as homosexuality became more excepted the number of homosexuals rose which meant more promiscuity, by the mid-1980s, this figure had risen to 72%. (1) The transmission of certain types of human papilloma viruses explains the association of anal intercourse with anal cancer. The incidence of anal cancer was 31-fold higher and the incidence of Kaposi’s sarcoma was 136-fold higher compared to Danish men in general.
During 1982-1989, MSM constituted less than 10% of individuals with hepatitis-A. During the first 6 months of 1991 66% in New York City,and 26% in Melbourne consisted of homosexuals. (5) Between Nov 1998 and May 1999, among the reported cases of hepatitis-A in Columbus, Ohio, 66% of the men were MSM. and we dont hear the media warning young adults of this, and much more eh.
Muslims dont seem to care about the hatred that they cause when trying to force their laws on us. I wonder how long it will be before our governments do something,, but I feel that it will be the people who will have the common sense to do something before the governments of the world...

Posted by: Gaye at December 1, 2005 7:19 AM

IslamicRapper, you say you want evidence, "GO KILL INNOCENT CHILDREN!!! GO KILL INNOCENT WOMEN~!!!!!!!!!!!! GO KILL INNOCENT MEN!!!!!!!!!! GO STAB PPL FOR NO REASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!! etc."
Islamicrapper, don't you know your own Quran???? I will give you a few verses of what Mohammad did and said eh...We must remember that being an Infidel is reason enough for Mohammad to slaughter the people, and he killed even his own... The enemy is anyone who isn't a Muslim,or who says something against Mohammad, whether they are at war or living peacefully. This is only a very few verses, but I can give you pages more if you want them...some are better than others... as with the Bible, we must read the verses before and after the quote to see the real meaning of the verse, other wise it can be taken out of context. There are verses in the Bible which can be taken wrong if you don't read it all,, and the same is with the Quran..People, please check them yourselves... to say something is what it is not is very wrong...
Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet had their men killed, their children and woman taken captive.”

Qur’an 47:4 ......................continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”

Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

Ishaq:576 “Allah and His servant overwhelmed every coward.
Allah honoured us and made our religion victorious.
We were glorified and destroyed them all. Allah humiliated them in the worship of Satan.
By what our Apostle recites from the Book and by our swift horses,
I liked the punishment the infidels received.
Killing them was sweeter than drink.
We galloped among them panting for the spoil.
When it was believed that one woman, Abu' Afk, had insulted Muhammad (by a poem), one of Muhammad's followers, "attacked her during the night while she was surrounded by her children, one of whom she was nursing...After removing the child from his victim, he killed her."

(Muhammad Husayn Haykal, The Life of Muhammad, p. 243.)

"It is not fitting for a prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he has made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land."

(Al-Bukhari, 9 vols. translated by Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Al Nabawiya: Dar Ahya Us-Sunnah, n.d.)
"Muhammad had two slave women murdered for singing a song that mocked him."

(Muhammad Husayn Haykal, The Life of Muhammad, p. 410.)

Qur’an 33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.”

Qur’an 59:2 “It was Allah who drove the [Jewish] People of the Book from their homes and into exile. They refused to believe and imagined that their strongholds would protect them against Allah. But Allah came at them from where they did not suspect, and filled their hearts with terror. etc
Koran 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.” (once again, just because they opposed Allah and the Apostle, great religion)
Koran 8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to take prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land.” (wow great Apostle that these Muslims follow, a great example eh..)
Ishaq:588 “When the Apostle descends on your land none of your people will be left when he leaves.”
Koran 7:3 “Little do you remember My warning. How many towns have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook them.”
Ishaq:510 “When the Apostle looked down on Khaybar he told his Companions, ‘O Allah, Lord of the Devils and what into error they throw, and Lord of the winds and what they winnow, we ask Thee for the booty of this town and its people. Forward in the name of Allah.’ He used to say this of every town he raided.”
There is so much more if you want it,, but of course these people are not innocent in the eyes of Islam... But many people were slaughtered, as Mohammad attacked their towns while they slept..

Posted by: Gaye at December 1, 2005 7:48 AM

"You seem to know a lot.. so can you answer that? I will give you 1 cent if you find a quote that says to go kill ppl for no reason."
-- posted by IslamicRapper

This is embarrassing, IslamicRapper, but you've got me over the barrel on this one.

I just stayed up the whole night reading the Koran from front to back, and could not find a single ayat that called for Moslems to murder innocent women and children.

But I did find hundreds calling for murder of *guilty* women and children, the capital crime being to reject a call to join Islam and to continue in infidelity to the God that Moslems choose to worship.

For example, in the Sunnah you revere, do you remember that funny incident (which God commands you to emulate) in which the the Holy Prophet put a murder contract out on the Jewish poetess Asma Marwan for having criticized Mohammed for having put out a murder contract on the Jewish poet Abu Afak?

I axe you: was the murdered woman Asma Marwak innocent or not?

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And besides, I wasn't talking about Moslems murdering children. I was talking about adult Moslem Men having sex with children.

For example, in the Sunnah you revere, do you remember that funny incident (which God commands you to emulate) in which the the Holy Prophet had sexual intercourse with a 9-year old girl?

Don't you love it when that happens? Mohammed did, by his own admission.

I know that Persians do, too. The age of consent in Iran has been 9 ever since the holy man Ayatollah Khomeini (pbuh) took the helm in Tehran.

By my lights, then, Dr. Bey was a good Moslem.

Posted by: Duke Eudes at December 1, 2005 11:37 AM

"Islamic Rapper", your whole argument depends on what the definition of "innocent" is. Since Islam places all the non-Muslim world in the dar al-harb, the "House of War" against which Islam must fight, by Islam's own definition there are NO innocents outside of Islam. Just a matter of semantics for Muslims to justify the killing of women and children who aren't Muslim. What was the justification behind the murder of 3,000 noncombatants on 9-11? By Western definition they were all "innocent".

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at December 1, 2005 3:50 PM