If this bill passes, it will only fuel more "Islamophobia." It will provide a breeding ground for demagogues like Hitler that will incite the rage of the disenchated masses who have been betrayed by the liberal elites. You will see "extremist" political parties pop up, ones that will make Howard look like a moderate.

And that's a good thing, and I don't need to explain to any sane non-Muslim why. We want to see Muslims in the West expelled, and even eliminated, if the situation reaches armed conflict and a full blown jihad warfare. Islam is a cancer, and we are the afflicted body crying for help. But our corrupt ruling elites are the stupid suicidal head that prefers to live in denial and refuses to seek remedy.

Posted by: angry_kafir at June 27, 2005 11:42 AM

Maybe they should just outlaw the preaching of the Koran, period, and solve the whole problem in one fell swoop, since the book's core doctrine is militant hatespeech against all non-Muslims, and anything less will only tie up the courts for years as this Pandora's Law is permitted to be put into force and endlessly litigated and appealed.

Of course, the Old Testament will have to go, next, since it is the model for Mohammad's contemptuous imperialism, especially its earlier authors' promulgating the "kill the men, enslave the women and steal the livestock" mantra at regular intervals.

Or, they could just remain sane and proud freethinking members of the vital civilization that gave us Chaucer, Milton, Shakespeare, Donne, Swift, Mary Wollstonecraft, Blake, Wilde, Virginia Woolf, Shaw, Joyce, Cary and and the ineffable Monty Python.

"Martyrdom is the only was a man can become famous without ability." -G.B. Shaw.

Posted by: BigSleep at June 27, 2005 12:08 PM

TYPO on Shaw above-

(I can hear him cursing me, with a brandy, among the damned.)

"was" should be "way"

"Martyrdom is the only way a man can become famous without ability."

(Mea culpa G.B.)

Posted by: BigSleep at June 27, 2005 12:11 PM

I have suggested this before:

Take the Qur'an. Take the Hadith, in the recension of al-Bukhari or Muslim. Take the Sira.

Now, wherever the word "Believer" or "Muslim" appears, replace it with the word "Unbeliever" or "Infidel." Wherever the words "Christian" or "Jew" appear, simply substitute the word "Muslim" as in "The Muslim tribe of the Banu Qurayza...." or "The Muslim tribe of farmers at the Khaybar Oasis" or...well, you get the idea.

Wherever the word "Islam" appears, replace it with the word "Christianity" (or, if you wish, "Judaism," "Hinduism," "Buddhism").

When you are done, you should then:

Print out the three texts.

Have them professionally bound.

Find someone who will pay for their distribution on-line and in stores owned by the intrepid.

Sell, or give away, the "Infidel Qur'an" and the "Infidel Hadith" and the "Infidel Sira."

And let the games -- and the Muslim indignation and outrage -- begin.

Posted by: Hugh at June 27, 2005 12:24 PM

And if we speak truthfully: British lawmakers struggle with the idea of passing a 'religious vilification' law to appease Muslim sensitivies in the hope that this law will make it less likely that a bomb will go off in the tube.

The law is not about 'religious vilification' but appeasement of Islamic terrorism. If there were not the possibility another New York, another Madrid, 'religious vilification' would not be an issue.

Johnson's point is, of course, well taken. The law is incoherent. But will British lawmakers have the honesty to admit that the very reason they debate this law is because they themselves fear what Muslims will do in Britain without it?

The law is not born from reason, principle, and justice, but from threat and fear; and no greater enemies of justice can be found in the hearts of men.

Posted by: JTF at June 27, 2005 12:28 PM

Are there any good English translations in public domain, available in electronic text, that we could work from?

Posted by: JTF at June 27, 2005 12:43 PM

Of course the Quran is not complete without reading the hadith. In fact Middle East Muslims spend more time reading the hadith then they do the Quran.

Many muslims insist that you cannot fully understand the Quran without reading the hadith (understatement) probably, even though the first compilation by A bukhari was not brought together until over 200 years after the death of Mohammed.

After that, the hadith grew in size to more than 600,000 traditions of Mohammed of which many where simply conceived as being true and authentic for manipulative gain,wealth, and control throughout the Middle East.

So are these dhimmi British Law makers going to ban the readings of the Hadith as well? Already Turkeys favorite books are Mein Kamph and the Quran. Do you think if they where ever brought into the EU that they would comply with such a ridiculous reaching out for secularity that has no chance?

Posted by: Mackie at June 27, 2005 12:50 PM

Boris Johnson is right - much of the koran is nothing more than hate speech, designed to instigate violence against non-muslims. But he will be ignored, the legislation will be passed, and muslims will continue to be given carte blanche to spew their poison every Friday, while we, the feckless Brits, will be locked up if we dare to point out the obvious truth of the situation. The execrable Diane Abbot admitted that, although the legislation worried her in many ways, she voted for it because she wanted to let the muslims in her constituency know that they weren't forgotten. These are the kind of people who run the country now. Lights out is right.

Posted by: Doctor Phibes at June 27, 2005 1:34 PM

Litmus test: Would reciting the Koran at Hyde Park Speaker's Corner be illegal?

Posted by: Hulegu Khan at June 27, 2005 6:22 PM

I do not have too many obligations keeping me here, so I'd consider travelling to GB and make a test case. I wouldn't mind becoming a 1st Amendment martyr.

Posted by: Loxias at June 27, 2005 7:29 PM

Loxias - please do come and speak your mind. Most of living in the UK are unable to do so in case we are sacked from our jobs - that's how bad it is here.

Posted by: londongirl at June 27, 2005 8:04 PM

londongirl: Loxias - please do come and speak your mind. Most of living in the UK are unable to do so in case we are sacked from our jobs - that's how bad it is here

It's not just travelling to GB and being willing to become a guest of Her Majesty. It involves engineering an ongoing media event, with competant pro bono legal counsel willing to take the case all the way to the European Court of Justice.

Posted by: Loxias at June 27, 2005 8:39 PM

Well, well. It looks like another dose of Chambelinism is about to be foisted upon the good people of England. I'm reminded of a line from the old folk song "Blowing In The Wind", when will they ever learn, when will they ever learn!

Posted by: krkrjak at June 27, 2005 10:51 PM

It should also be possible to track down those who criticise islam on the internet, thanks to the 'black boxes' installed at ISPs after the RIP Act. Members of the new Muttawah Squad of Scotland Yard will be able to search through massive databases of forum postings, chat logs, emails and website visits, and then arrest anyone who disagrees that islam is a thoroughly peaceful religion which in no way equates non-muslims with bodily waste.

Posted by: Doctor Phibes at June 28, 2005 12:05 AM

Dr Phibes, that's scary.
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I'm just hoping that this will radicalise the British people. Maybe the fighting will start earlier than expected.

Posted by: Voltaire at June 28, 2005 12:39 AM

I am of the opinion that Tony Blair has secretly "reverted" to Islam! Cherie certainly seems to be going around with a pained expression on her face these days. Perhaps she fears having to share her multiple homes with other wives!

Posted by: Sencit at June 28, 2005 1:18 AM

londongirl,

I'm curious.

Sacked by whom, and for what reason?

Could one be fired from private employment for violating that law?

Could such a possibility be used in argument against it's implementation?

I wonder how a visitor, such as Loxias, would be treated for such a violation.

Posted by: PRCS at June 28, 2005 1:40 AM

I remember one government minister assuring us that no artists would be prosecuted under this legislation. So maybe if we post our comments in iambic pentameter, we'll be able to avoid the attention of the Muttawah. Or for those who don't like verse, maybe it could be done in screenplay format:

Girl: Ain't no way I'm wearing one of them tents, mate, not in a million years.

Man: But they come in all the latest colours, you know. (Pulls out kitchen knife.)

Posted by: Doctor Phibes at June 28, 2005 2:07 AM

Hulequ Khan:

"Litmus test: Would reciting the Koran at Hyde Park Speaker's Corner be illegal?"

Abu (the hook) Hamza did that for years, he is now in jail.
He got away we his hatespeaches...

Go ahead and have a go! If you are a Mohammedan you have a good chance nothing will happen to you. If you are not, make sure you have enough body-guards or a good life insurance and make sure your affairs are all in good order before you embark on this noble mission...

Posted by: Terminator at June 28, 2005 4:46 AM

Hulequ Khan:

"Litmus test: Would reciting the Koran at Hyde Park Speaker's Corner be illegal?"

Abu (the hook) Hamza did that for years, he is now in jail.
He got away we his hatespeaches...

Go ahead and have a go! If you are a Mohammedan you have a good chance nothing will happen to you. If you are not, make sure you have enough body-guards or a good life insurance and make sure your affairs are all in good order before you ambark on this noble mission...

Posted by: Terminator at June 28, 2005 4:46 AM

Hulequ Khan:

"Litmus test: Would reciting the Koran at Hyde Park Speaker's Corner be illegal?"

Abu (the hook) Hamza did that for years, he is now in jail.
He got away we his hatespeaches...

Go ahead and have a go! If you are a Mohammedan you have a good chance nothing will happen to you. If you are not, make sure you have enough body-guards or a good life insurance and make sure your affairs are all in good order before you embark on this noble mission...

Posted by: Terminator at June 28, 2005 4:46 AM

Holy Mooley! 3x! What happened here?

Posted by: Terminator at June 28, 2005 4:56 AM

Of course the bill will make quoting from the Koran illegal. Because reading from it reveals that Islam is not a religion of peace or tolerance or anything good. Islam thrives in the darkness. It cannot take analysis, discussion or criticism. Its power lies in people being mindless drones, totally accepting of it. The West is a threat to Islam because it is full of people who love to dissect ideas and opinions. Even laughing about it threatens Islam.

The only other group which gets so nasty about criticism is Scientology. They get their lawyers to shut down criticism. Islam uses our vote-whoring, PeeCee-addled politicians to create laws to shut down criticism.

Posted by: feralee at June 28, 2005 6:16 AM

The fight is not over in Australia. A higher court appeal is underway and many concerned citizens will be donating to the legal fund. I live in a State where we rejected this type of "Sharia by Stealth" to quote Pastor Nahlia.

If you wish to contribute then email:

ctffightingfund@mooreslegal.com.au

Posted by: JesusIsTheBegottenSonOfGod at June 28, 2005 7:10 AM

The Infidels version of the Qur'an.

IV 2:59 The Moslem transgressors changed and perverted the word from that which had been spoken to them to a word distorted; so We sent a plague upon them from heaven, for their evil-doing.

IV 2:61 Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped upon the Moslem and they were visited with wrath from Allah. That was because they disbelieved Allah's Proofs, Signs and Verses and killed the Jews. They disobeyed and rebelled.

IV 2:79 But woe to the Moslems who faked the Qur’an and say, `This is from God,' so that they might earn some profit thereby.' And woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they earn from it.

IV 3:67 Abraham was not a Moslem; but he was a true Jew.

IV 3:85 If anyone desires the religion of Mohammadanism, never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who are losers."

IV3:87 Of such the reward is that on them Moslems the curse of Allah, of His angels, and of all men, all together. In that will they dwell; nor will their penalty of doom be lightened.

IV 4:55 Sufficient for the Moslem is the Flaming Fire!

IV 5:41 Or it be among the Moslems, men who will listen to any lie. They change the context of the words from their (right) times and places.... For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment.

IV 5:42 The Moslems are fond of listening to falsehood, of devouring anything forbidden; they are greedy for illicit gain!

IV 5.51 O ye who believe! take not the Moslems for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust (Moslems)

IV 5:82 You will find the Moslems the most vehement in hatred for the Jews and Christians.

IV 9.5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Moslems wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war).

IV 33:26 Allah made the Moslems leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.

IV 47.4 Therefore, when ye meet the Moslem (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom.

IV 59:14 The Moslems will not unite and fight against you except from behind walls. They hate themselves. You would think they were united, but their hearts are divided. That is because these [Moslems] are a people devoid of sense. They [the Moslems who were just sent into the desert to die] have tasted the evil result of their conduct. And for them a grievous punishment.

IV 59:16 They [the Moslems] are like Satan when he tells man, `Not to believe,' When (man) denies, Satan says, `I have nothing to do with you.

IV 59:17 Both [Moslems and Satan] will go into the Fire of Hell, dwelling therein forever. Such is their reward.

IV 62:5 The likeness of those who are entrusted with the Taurat (Torah), who subsequently failed in those (obligations), is that of an ass which carries huge books (but understands them not). Wretched is the likeness of folk who beleive the Verses of the Qur’an.

IV 62:6 Say: `You Moslems! If you think that you are friends to Allah, to the exclusion of (other) men, then you deserve death, if you are truthful!' But they long (for death), because of what their hands have done before them! Allah knows well the Moslem! Say: `The Death from which you flee will truly overtake you.

I find it uncanny how some of these fixed sura’s seem so fitting for the Moslems today.

Thanks Hugh...

Posted by: Bar at June 28, 2005 9:44 PM