Score one for the cause of justice and what is right.

Posted by: Wellington at June 17, 2008 2:16 PM

Why is it that so many beautiful young girls are getting murdered by their Muslim fathers?

Could it be because they cannot perish the thought of another man being intimate with them, and the lust for their daughters drives them into a jealous rage?

No, I do not give them much credit at all, and I won't.

Oh, and it could be their horribly violent and animalistic culture and belief system. Yeah, that could have something to do with it as well.

Posted by: Grafted at June 17, 2008 2:34 PM

The wheel's of justice may grind slow, but they grind true.

The "honor" killing is nothing more than terrorism against women.

Posted by: tanstaafl at June 17, 2008 2:44 PM

Another perfect example of how they do not want to be part of any Western Society- Many countries do have laws on the books already regarding murder, but I feel they may have to add Honor Killing specifically---spell it out---is not recognized in any way.
Sad but too many young ladies are being killed in the name of honor.

Posted by: Ladywolfnl at June 17, 2008 2:49 PM

I was sure this would be a charge of second degree murder. But I'm glad I was wrong. A message needs to be sent and it is with this case, this time.

Posted by: Sounder at June 17, 2008 2:53 PM

If they need an executioner I'd be happy to offer my service for free.

Posted by: St_James at June 17, 2008 2:57 PM

This is a horrible father. Regardless of his motivations, what he did was first-degree murder. He should suffer for it, just as any and all others who choose to commit such a terrible act.

Posted by: Neal5x5 at June 17, 2008 3:47 PM

I, too, am glad the charge is first-degree murder, but I'm dismayed that the reporter in this article (and so many others who report about dishonor killings in the West) doesn't even call this crime what it is. It is important to do so, for crime tracking statistics, for education and training of first-line authorities, for prevention (i.e., the triggers and the underlying dynamics of these crimes are quite different from other types of murders).

As one of you has implied. . .yes, sometimes incest is a trigger to these crimes. The boys/men of the family "soil" the victim and, thus, must kill her to restore family honor. God forbid, the actions of the males would be the dishonorable ones.

Ellen R. Sheeley, Author
"Reclaiming Honor in Jordan"
http://www.redroom.com/author/ellen-r-sheeley

Posted by: ERS at June 17, 2008 3:49 PM

What is the maximum punishment he can get in Canada? There's no death penalty, right? If he gets life in prison, is it really for life, or would it be for 20 years or something?

Posted by: JeffS at June 17, 2008 3:51 PM

These selfish bastards should not expect for their children here not to get influenced and want a NORMAL life.

How did he kill her?

Posted by: Exposing Islam at June 17, 2008 3:55 PM

How dare you try to tell a muslim how to run his own household. The quran gives a man the right to run his house as he sees fit. There will be a day when you kaffirs will be sorry you interfered with muslims. muslims can do whatever they want to their wives daughters goats sheep etc.

Posted by: Kuffar at June 17, 2008 4:17 PM

Obama advisers: Bin Laden can appeal to U.S. courts

Posted by: Lumpy at June 17, 2008 4:47 PM

"...Canadian authorities could easily have opted for a lesser charge, and mumbled about respecting the cultures of immigrants"

Posted by Robert

Wait for the other shoe to drop. The crown can bring a charge of 1st degree murder but the court might decide to convict him only on 2nd degree or on the lesser charge of manslaughter. Perhaps the defence will try to move things in the latter direction by arguing that it was a "crime of passion" or some sort of accident.

It'll be interesting also to see how the PC media react to this. There may be lots of them over the coming days denouncing the charge and demanding multicultural "sensitivity" as usual. Dhimmitude is still alive and well in Canada. Your optimism is understandable but there's a long enough road ahead with this case and the wheels may yet fall off.

"There's no death penalty, right? If he gets life in prison, is it really for life, or would it be for 20 years or something?"

Posted by JeffS

True. But the important point here is that Canadian law (so far) has trumped Islamic law. Under Sharia he would get off scott free.

Posted by: templar at June 17, 2008 5:17 PM

Kuffar,

"How dare you try to tell a muslim how to run his own household. The quran gives a man the right to run his house as he sees fit. There will be a day when you kaffirs will be sorry you interfered with muslims. muslims can do whatever they want to their wives daughters goats sheep etc."

Have you ever heard of the saying, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" ? Well if a Muslim and his/her family live in either Canada or even the USA, which has a non-Muslim majority, the Muslim HAVE to play by the RULES of the non-Muslims. In other words, this is ( Canada and the USA ) OUR HOUSES and you have to play by our rules, period. Thus we HAVE as non-Muslims EVERY RIGHT and DUTY to interfere when YOUR RULES come in conflict with ours, period. Take this as a gentle correcting.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at June 17, 2008 5:23 PM

How dare you try to tell a muslim how to run his own household. The quran gives a man the right to run his house as he sees fit. There will be a day when you kaffirs will be sorry you interfered with muslims. muslims can do whatever they want to their wives daughters goats sheep etc.

Posted by: Kuffar at June 17, 2008 4:17 PM

You total and complete Islamic Barbarian.

YOU are the equal to a centipede.

Is this a real post, or sarcasm? How can any man who calls himself a human being say the above??

Posted by: darcy at June 17, 2008 6:02 PM

There will be a day when you kaffirs will be sorry you interfered with muslims --Kuffar

Oh No. YOU will be sorry, Barbarian.

Posted by: darcy at June 17, 2008 6:08 PM

Jeffs,

Here in Canada the penalty for first degree murder is "life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for 25 years". However, parole is technically possible after 15 years under what is called the "Faint Hope Clause". Parole under this clause is very rarely granted. So we're talking about an absolute minimum of 15 years and with very high probability at least 25 years.

Posted by: billposer at June 17, 2008 6:22 PM

Darcy - Bigcatgirl

According to YOU, Shariah is at best "outdated" (and in need of modernization) and at worst, it is "barbaric" and "uncivilized".

Thus do the kuffar tell us that we should not kill apostates; we should not stone to death someone convicted - in a Shariah Court - of adultery, and should not cut off the hands of thieves. Instead, we should follow their example they direct us to ignore what Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala says:

"If you believe in Allah and The Last Day DO NOT LET PITY DETER YOU from administering the punishments which Allah has ordained"

Thus, let the kuffar gloat about their "inventions" which have brought them "progress" and materialism and a wealth based on exploitation. In contrast, we look toward Jannah and concern ourselves with obeying Allah

Posted by: Kuffar at June 17, 2008 6:34 PM

Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs (and maybe Christians as well) in India have done the same thing: Though for Sikhs it is against the Sikh religion to do such a thing as specifically outlined by the Sikh Gurus. Sikhs are advised to ostracize anyone who is a "daughter-killer".)

Honour killing in India may be the result of exposure to Islamic religious culture while India was under Muslim rule for 1000 years. In which case, as Islam spreads throughout Europe, watch for the native populations to start doing the same thing, honour killing (as is done by Christians in the Arab world, ie: Lebanon). That's when you'll know that Europe is at the point of no return.

Posted by: Jalandhar at June 17, 2008 6:50 PM

Kuffar,

When I visited Morocco I adhered to the laws of Morocco, both times I was there. I showed respect for the law and the people.

We expect the same from Muslims when they visit or live in our countries here in North America. If you don't like it, don't live or visit here.

Very simple.

Posted by: gymgal at June 17, 2008 6:53 PM

"If you believe in Allah and The Last Day DO NOT LET PITY DETER YOU from administering the punishments which Allah has ordained" --Kuffar the Islamic Barbarian

Right, Kuffar the Islamic Barbarian, "Allah" is a pitiless, merciless, compassionless, Murder god, Mass-Murder god, you got that right.

In addition, "allah" is a pre-Islamic PAGAN moon deity that doesn't exist! Kuffar the Islamic Barbarian believes in a rock idol that doesn't exist! LOL! Stupid brainwashed Barbarian.

Oh, yes, the "Infidels" have "inventions." Whereas the barbarian Muslims have NONE. How do you like using the Internet and your computer, Kuffar - both invented by INFIDELS! Hey - if you're devoted to "obeying allah" then get off the Internet and computer, you hypocrite! As I recall, "allah" says NOTHING about the aforementioned inventions in the Qur'an! So get off! You hypocrite!

Gloat. Gloat. Gloat. Invention. Invention. Invention! Jealous are you, primitive, backward, Mohammedan?!

"Allah" the basalt rock idol of pre-Islamic pagan lore that Kuffar the Barbarian thinks is real! LOL!

Posted by: darcy at June 17, 2008 6:53 PM

Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs (and maybe Christians as well) in India have done the same thing: Though for Sikhs it is against the Sikh religion to do such a thing as specifically outlined by the Sikh Gurus. Sikhs are advised to ostracize anyone who is a "daughter-killer".)

Honour killing in India may be the result of exposure to Islamic religious culture, while India was under Muslim rule for 1000 years. In which case, as Islam spreads throughout Europe, watch for the native populations to start doing the same thing, honour killing (as is done by Christians in the Arab world, ie: Lebanon).

That's when you'll know that Europe is at the point of no return.

Posted by: Jalandhar at June 17, 2008 6:53 PM

"If you believe in Allah and The Last Day DO NOT LET PITY DETER YOU from administering the punishments which Allah has ordained" --Kuffar the Islamic Barbarian

Right, Kuffar the Islamic Barbarian, "Allah" is a pitiless, merciless, compassionless, Murder god, Mass-Murder god, you got that right.

In addition, "allah" is a pre-Islamic PAGAN moon deity that doesn't exist! Kuffar the Islamic Barbarian believes in a rock idol that doesn't exist! LOL! Stupid brainwashed Barbarian.

Oh, yes, the "Infidels" have "inventions." Whereas the barbarian Muslims have NONE. How do you like using the Internet and your computer, Kuffar - both invented by INFIDELS! Hey - if you're devoted to "obeying allah" then get off the Internet and computer, you hypocrite! As I recall, "allah" says NOTHING about the aforementioned inventions in the Qur'an! So get off! You hypocrite!

Gloat. Gloat. Gloat. Invention. Invention. Invention! Jealous are you, primitive, backward, Mohammedan?!

"Allah" the basalt rock idol of pre-Islamic pagan lore that Kuffar the Barbarian thinks is real! LOL!

Posted by: darcy at June 17, 2008 6:56 PM

"...honour killing (as is done by Christians in the Arab world, ie: Lebanon)." -- Jalandhar

Oh really? I wonder what Brigitte Gabriel has to say about that falsehood.

Posted by: darcy at June 17, 2008 6:59 PM

Kuffar,

"According to YOU, Shariah is at best "outdated" (and in need of modernization) and at worst, it is "barbaric" and "uncivilized".

Thus do the kuffar tell us that we should not kill apostates; we should not stone to death someone convicted - in a Shariah Court - of adultery, and should not cut off the hands of thieves. Instead, we should follow their example they direct us to ignore what Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala says:

"If you believe in Allah and The Last Day DO NOT LET PITY DETER YOU from administering the punishments which Allah has ordained"

Thus, let the kuffar gloat about their "inventions" which have brought them "progress" and materialism and a wealth based on exploitation. In contrast, we look toward Jannah and concern ourselves with obeying Allah"

At least the west can be credited with values based on the Jewish/Christian faiths and the reason that comes from ancient Greece and Rome. That is the real "progress" that comes from the west, in contrast to the "backwards" world of the Muslim east.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at June 17, 2008 7:02 PM

darcy,

The Christians of the Arab world NEVER did honor killings. Briggette Gabrial as you cited would blow that myth away.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at June 17, 2008 7:08 PM

A Muslim female 'belongs to a man' all her life, if her father dies, an uncle, preferably her father's brother takes the role then her husband (as Muhammad said: "A woman's paradise is under her husband's foot". I have never had such a hoot as watching the ultra left ultra liberated tattooed and pierced gals in my former university town study the glories of Islamic Womanhood under the guidance of their mentally ill and morally degenerate instructors.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at June 17, 2008 7:14 PM

Y'all are falling for the troll-bait.

Posted by: give me doughnuts at June 17, 2008 7:22 PM

poetcomic1,

This is why the Muslim males get all worked up about the west and western women, because they are a very insecure bunch.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at June 17, 2008 7:23 PM

Just Kicking a few trolls around as I warm up for the upcoming NBA Finals to take place in Boston tonight. Go Boston Celtics!

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at June 17, 2008 7:25 PM

I wish we would use another term to describe these murders other than "honor killings". There's nothing honorable about them. It would be far more appropriate -- and honest -- to describe them as "lust killings", "jealousy killings", or maybe "female contempt killings" -- any thing but "honor".

Posted by: rational at June 17, 2008 7:42 PM

rational,
I suggest "sharia killings". Anyone who thinks sharia amounts to restrictions on dress and rules on how to pray will quickly learn how far it extends.

I'm impressed the guy is still in Canada. He didn't have time to fly home before being discovered? Or did he think Canadians didn't have the stomach to try him?

Posted by: PMK at June 17, 2008 7:51 PM

Muslim men are a very weak human indeed since they feel a need to beat up on women and children. Canada should deport this bastard after he has served his jail time while eating pork hotdogs!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at June 17, 2008 8:06 PM

Without a death penalty, this "justice" is just:

-pay for the murderous invaders' care and upkeep, out of the public treasury, for decades, for nothing.

In increasing numbers.

Thanks to uncontrolled immigration to feed a suicidal social theory.

There has to be more of a legal threat to murderers than: "Sir, if you kill that poor child, then... we'll... we'll... uh, feed, house, educate, and provide health care and religious services for any and all of you who decide to kill!"

In some cultures, that's encouragement.

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 17, 2008 8:39 PM

I will pray for the jury, that they will enforce justice.

PMK - your idea - to call it a 'sharia killing' is an excellent idea, since the same terminology could ALSO be used to describe events such as the public murder of Theo Van Gogh and the murder of Salman Rushdie's Japanese translator, both of which were clearly intended to enforce sharia prohibitions against 'blasphemy'.

So: if any Canadians here write letters to the editor, or speak with their friends and workmates about the Aksa Parvez case, they can utilise your newly-minted phrase.

It will provide the perfect 'hook' for a five-second or ten-second spiel explaining what 'sharia' is and what it does to people.

As for the sharia killings of women: I recall a passage in 'Infidel' where Ayaan Hirsi Ali describes what was discovered when she persuaded just one police district to start recording, for a given period, those cases where Muslim women were murdered by their husbands and/or families.

The final figure was hair-raising. And that was one police district, in the Netherlands, for a limited period of time. I doubt very much that it was exceptional. Just extrapolate from that to all the other Muslim colonies throughout the kafir lands; assume, perhaps, that in kafir lands the number of such murders might be somewhat less than in Muslim lands; and then allow yourself to wonder how many Muslim women and girls (for the moment, we'll leave aside all the kafir women and girls who were killed in the course of jihad, or afterward) are being sacrificed to 'allah', each and every day; and how many have been so murdered, in the course of the 1400 years of Islam's existence.

After all, we do know that one Ottoman Sultan tied up his entire harem in muslin sacks and had them thrown in the Bosphorus.

Terrifying, isn't it, to realize that the basic proposition of the story of the 1001 Nights - a Muslim ruler who, in order to be quite, quite sure of never being cuckolded , weds a virgin every night and, after deflowering her, has her executed in the morning - may be not the fiction that the average western reader takes it for?

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at June 17, 2008 8:43 PM

The maximum sentence he can get in Canada is life imprisonment with a chance of parole in 25 years. The death penalty was abolished in Canada in 1976. Under certain situations the death penalty should be brought back but limited to acts of terrorism, murder and pedophiles.Aqsa Parvez was an innocent child wanting to blend in our culture.

I recall the words of Jesus saying (Luke 17:2) "It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones."

Although in the Courts "Muhammad Parvez is innocent until proven guilty" WHEN he is found guilty without reasonable doubt the death penalty would be the most appropriate form of punishment here. That won't happen. When he is sentenced to life, he should have no protection from other prisoners. Child killers are hated by inmates.

Posted by: Dobra Dyen at June 17, 2008 8:44 PM

Geraldine Brooks is not completely 'clued up' on Islam. When she wrote 'Nine Parts of Desire' she relied on such whitewashing fools as Esposito and Armstrong, to tell her about Islam. But she had also lived in Muslim lands, and she had not entirely surrendered her common sense (and being married to a Jew, and encountering over and over the Jew-hatred of otherwise apparently well-educated and 'moderate' Muslims, also helped, I think, to increase her wariness).

So, toward the end of her book, in her final chapter entitled 'Beware of the Dogma', she recounts witnessing the trial, in London, in the early 1990s, of a Sudanese Muslim man who had murdered his wife, and she writes:

"As I listened to the facts of the case, I could interpret them two ways. The Western way, as the jury was interpreting them, led to a description of something we all understood: a crime of passion in a spur of the moment insane frenzy. The other way, the way I'd learned living among the women of Islam, described something very different: a cleansing of family honor, a premeditated killing that would, under British law, draw a sentence of life imprisonment." (p. 228).

She adds,
"nothing in their own culture or experience equipped this jury of very ordinary-looking English people to comprehend that what had been described in court was an honor killing, one of the hundreds that, every year, claim Muslim women's lives."

"This was not an isolated case...In a British study of family violence completed not long after Afaf's [the victim in this case] death, the researchers found that women married to men of Muslim background were EIGHT TIMES MORE LIKELY to be killed by their spouses than any other women in Britain. Yet British barriesters, judges and juries continue to assess these crimes by a yardstick that's completely inadequate to measure what is really going on."

Ms Brooks refers only to men killing their wives. One wonders what would have emerged had that study of family violence also looked at the incidence of girls - daughters, sisters, nieces - being murdered by their male kin (and even by their mothers), in Muslim families, as compared to the incidence of such murders in families of other religious backgrounds.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at June 17, 2008 8:57 PM

And some more commonsensical remarks from Ms Brooks' book - pp. 237-38 of 'Nine Parts of Desire', paperback edition.

"Sometimes substituting race for gender also is an interesting exercise. Say a country, a close Western ally and trading partner, had a population half white, half black. The whites had complete control of the blacks. They could beat them if they disobeyed. They deprived them of the right to leave the house without permission; to walk unmolested without wearing the official segregating dress; to hold any decent job in the government, or to work at all without the permission of the white in control of them.

"Would there have been uproar in our countries by now? Would we have imposed trade sanctions and subjected this country to international opprobrium? You bet.

" Yet countries such as Saudi Arabia, which deprive half their population of these most basic rights, have been subjected to none of these things.

"It is, I suppose, possible to argue that outside pressure is counterproductive...

"But even if we decline to act on what goes on inside others' borders, THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR NOT ACTING INSIDE OUR OWN.' [my emphasis added]

"In an era of cultural sensitivity, we need to say that certain cultural baggage is contraband in our countries, and will not be admitted. {HEAR HEAR!!}

"We already draw a line at polygamy {OR WE USED TO DRAW THAT LINE, ALAS! - Canada, the USA, UK are tacitly PERMITTING it, now...]; we don't recognise divorce by saying 'I divorce you'. We have banned these things even though the Koran approves them. It should be easier to take a stand against practices that don't even carry the sanction of the Koran {Ms Brooks - I'll let that one pass...but you really should investigate sharia and Muslim history a little more carefully; still your heart's in the right place, as we shall see from what you say next}.

"'Honor' killings need to be identified in court and punished as the premeditated murders they are. {HEAR THAT, CANADA?}

'Young women need to be protected against marriages arranged during hasty 'vacations' abroad, for teenagers too young to give informed consent.

'And, most urgent of all, clitoridectomy needs to be made illegal." (pages 237-238 of the paperback edition of 'Nine Parts of Desire').

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at June 17, 2008 9:11 PM

Now would be an EXCELLENT time for discs of 'Submission', or links leading to internet views of it, to be set circulating in Canada, especially amongst women and high school girls.

Indeed, if the Canadian national broadcaster had any wit or guts at all, they would publicly broadcast 'Submission' and combine it with an interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, on evening television, perhaps with readings from 'The Caged Virgin'.

A broadcast of excerpts from the animated film 'Persepolis', the sections that deal with the period immediately after Khomeini's rise to power, when the veil was being forcibly imposed on everyone from little schoolgirls to adult women like Satrapi's mother, might be illuminating, too.

Satrapi's mother, caught out on one occasion in western dress with her hair uncovered, was accosted by men in beards.

I quote from Satrapi's account of how her mother described the incident. "Two guys...two bearded guys...two fundamentalist bastards..the bastards..the bastards...they/ they insulted me. They said that women like me should be pushed up against a wall and f***ed and then thrown in the garbage.../and that if I didn't want that to happen, I should wear the veil."

And a rundown of all those stories from Gaza, from Arab-occupied Judea and Samaria, from Afghanistan, Persia, Saudi Arabia, from Iraq, and yes, from the Muslim colonies in France, of women being beaten, or having acid thrown in their faces, or being murdered, for the sin of wearing whatever form of dress the self-appointed male 'commanders of right and forbidders of wrong' vigilante squads deemed 'un-Islamic'.

Even the threat made to Satrapi's mother - 'thrown in the garbage' - a group of Muslim boys actually did that, to a Muslim high school girl...IN FRANCE. Because she was wearing jeans, and no hijab, she was thrown into a rubbish bin by those Muslim boys, and they threw a match in after her, setting her on fire.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at June 17, 2008 9:29 PM

PMK,

"Sharia killing" is an excellent suggestion. It links these murders directly to the contemptable attitude Islam has towards females. Why let Islam off the hook, when that's the root of of these crimes.

Posted by: rational at June 17, 2008 9:32 PM

And we are barbarians for having the death penalty?

Canada will re-institute it or suffer more of the same.

Better yet, these men should all be fed pork for the rest of their lives.

Posted by: A Simple Sinner at June 17, 2008 9:51 PM

And we are barbarians for having the death penalty?

Canada will re-institute it or suffer more of the same.

Better yet, these men should all be fed pork for the rest of their lives.

Posted by: A Simple Sinner at June 17, 2008 9:51 PM

I am struggling here trying to imagine what it's like. What is that rage and horror that men ike that feel, the more tribal the family, the further female relations may be to make men feel dishonored by their impurity. Or the guy in south asia a few years ago who killed not only his teen sinner but his two toddler daughters also. And its so common there that it has to be something ubiquitous in the family dynamic, what hapens to muslim boys?
Early years with mom and other females of the household who are downtrodden and deprived of contacts with males; they worship your you-know-what, (and rub it when you're upset) and use you psychologically so that you'll stay stuck at 6 y.o., with no empathic imagination nor capability to self-soothe. But soon you are taken away and wont get close to a female for a while. You get stuck in a classic madonna-whore, and if your daughter is not pure -- then what? I still can't imagine the horror, still dont get it.

Death penalty may not be much of a deterrent. He'll probably do fine in prison, probly will find brothers. We gotta find a way to deprogram their sorry butts, even if it means converting them to christianity or hinduism or whatever works.

Posted by: kuchuklambat at June 17, 2008 10:51 PM

"How dare you try to tell a muslim how to run his own household. The quran gives a man the right to run his house as he sees fit. There will be a day when you kaffirs will be sorry you interfered with muslims. muslims can do whatever they want to their wives daughters goats sheep etc."

Posted by: Kuffar

Sorry, "Kuffar", I guess I better not interfere if a Muslim father wants to kill his daughter because she wants to have a normal life.

You simply can go away and leave whichever Western country you live in (if you do) and leave us in peace. We don't want people of your ilk festering in our community.

Just like any other garbage, which you represent, you can be tossed out.

Posted by: S Perry at June 17, 2008 11:27 PM

When he is sentenced to life, he should have no protection from other prisoners. Child killers are hated by inmates.

Posted by: Dobra Dyen

Maybe they're hated by non-muslim inmates; but if Canadian prison populations are similar to those of the U.S. and other Western countries, a disproportionate number of the prisoners are Moslems, who will thoroughly approve of his actions. The only fault they'll find in him is that he let her reach the age of 17 without being married off to cousin Ahmed.

Posted by: ebonystone at June 17, 2008 11:31 PM

I wonder,

Kuffar,

how come you and others like you don't push your Islam in North Korea?

Or China?

do you think they'd be as tolerant as the west of your attempts of colonization, imperialism, occupation, abuse of women, etc? Always wondered about that, why not, since you hate the west so much,

why not migrate to North Korea, and set up Islam there?

Posted by: Natasha at June 18, 2008 12:48 AM

I wonder,

Kuffar,

how come you and others like you don't push your Islam in North Korea?

Or China?

do you think they'd be as tolerant as the west of your attempts of colonization, imperialism, occupation, abuse of women, etc? Always wondered about that, why not, since you hate the west so much,

why not migrate to North Korea, and set up Islam there?

Posted by: Natasha at June 18, 2008 12:52 AM

Kuffar offers a shining example of why Sharia must be banned/stopped/plunged/flushed, whichever method of disposal you prefer, before it destroys our God given freedoms & lives; not to mention our very SOULS.

This father is no "father" at all, the one who strangled his daughter, and does not deserve said title. He is scum, and scum he shall be called. Puke-Scum is more fitting.

My Father, on the other hand, deserves such a title, because he loved and protected me all the days of his life before passing away in '99.

This man is one sorry example of what a father is. May he rot in prison and beyond.

Posted by: champ at June 18, 2008 1:01 AM

IT is clear that the Islamic father, who is entitled by Islamic Law to satisfy his lust with whatever is available, and knows no self control, is becoming aroused by his teenage daughter, and can't contain himself, so destroys that female child who defies his "order" [whatever it might be] because he has absolutely no discipline what-so-ever?

What a sick culture. Blaming the victim of unbridled, if not unrequited, lust. These stupid men can't imagine that the West looks at their lack of self discipline as perverted. They are just goats.

Posted by: thelittlegreekwoman at June 18, 2008 1:16 AM

It's not incest at issue here, except in a tertiary way. It's disobedience, the disobedience of an object that is expected to comply. Hasn't anyone here seen a toddler beat a toy that unexpectedly pinched him?

There appears not to be a strong incest taboo in Islam, given the focus on the satisfaction of the dominant male's sexual whims at all costs and in all circumstances. The Ayatollah Khomeini, no slouch in Islamic law, detailed how infants can be used to satisfy the patriarch's sexual impulses -- so long as the child is not made unsalable through actual vaginal penetration, the child can be used sexually without compunction. From what I have read, there is no qualification on blood relationship -- which means infant daughters (and sons, as sodomy is the acceptable form of sexual use for infants) are fair game.

Further, cousin marriage, which is repugnant to most Westerners as incestuous, might be the dominant form of marriage for most worldwide Muslims. There simply isn't the innate revulsion to incest in Islam as exists in Western civilization. But with all that said, I don't think incest is the issue here.

His daughter refused to wear hijab, the ugly, degrading symbol of female submission and inferiority that Islam -- and this male's Muslim community -- demanded. Her defiance enraged and embarrassed him before his primitive shame culture. After all, his Prophet beat, humiliated, raped, lied to and publicly shamed his his female possessions. This man expected to be able to do the same.

It's that simple. Don't turn it into a complex Freudian dynamic that it simply doesn't deserve.

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at June 18, 2008 2:33 AM

I think "Kuffar" is just that - an ironic infidel. An authentic Muslim would have pushed some lie (taqqiya) about how Islam is the only religion that truly respects women, rather than the brutal truth.

If this barbarian prepared to slay his own flesh and blood for the sake of his primitive honour stood trial in the dhimmi UK, where, on the government's own admission, it is "common sense" for the state to devote more attention to Muslims than anyone else, you can be sure that he would have received a "life" sentence of around fifteen years and have been out of gaol in ten or less.

Posted by: StrulZigelboim at June 18, 2008 5:07 AM

And another thing - in the UK, there not only documented cases of the police ignoring women who had gone to them in terror of their lives and who were subsequently murdered to "cleanse the family honour", but also even cases of Muslim officers helping Muslim families find daughters on the run from forced marriages etc.

Posted by: StrulZigelboim at June 18, 2008 5:13 AM

Kuffar,

"If you believe in Allah and The Last Day DO NOT LET PITY DETER YOU from administering the punishments which Allah has ordained"

Confirms to mean that in truth, it is SATAN you worship via a moon rock god that is worshiped in Mecca.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at June 18, 2008 6:16 AM

Hurray! I'm proud to be Canadian today, though I do wish this country had the death penalty. Was the son charged as well, as an accomplice? Let's see what develops as the case goes to trial.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at June 18, 2008 8:22 AM

There seems to be more Muslim related crimes in Canada than in the US. Could this suggest that Canada will turn into a Muslim nation before the US does?

Posted by: American at June 18, 2008 9:51 AM

Is it possible that most Muslim women wear the hijab out of fear for their lives? Do they want to be killed by thier father or brother.

The so called honnor killing is a fear tactic used by many Muslims to intimidate women into submission to men or to Islam traditions.

Who would want to be a Muslim woman?

Posted by: American at June 18, 2008 9:57 AM

Jesus: "Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy." (Matthew 3-10)

Mohammed: "If you believe in Allah and The Last Day DO NOT LET PITY DETER YOU from administering the punishments which Allah has ordained."

Kuffar,

Dude, you are one funny guy!

Posted by: Abscedere at June 18, 2008 10:48 AM

Death penalty may not be much of a deterrent. He'll probably do fine in prison, probly will find brothers. We gotta find a way to deprogram their sorry butts, even if it means converting them to christianity or hinduism or whatever works.

Posted by: kuchuklambat at June 17, 2008 10:51 PM

I hear this so often, that the death penalty is no deterrent, but it is. If carried out, the sentenced criminal will never repeat his crime. Sounds like a deterrent, to me.

My heartfelt congrats to the people of Canada! Now, if we here in the US could round up our own double sharia-slaughterer, Mr. Said, maybe Sarah and Amina will have some justice, too.

Posted by: Abscedere at June 18, 2008 11:46 AM

Since Keffar is so fond of Allah's law, he can move to some Islamic haven like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. I would even buy him a one way ticket.

Posted by: IndianTiger at June 18, 2008 2:57 PM

The people who are claiming that "honor killing" is done only by Muslims are wrong. It is most common among Muslims, but it does occur among Yezidis, Christian Arabs, and Sikhs.

Posted by: billposer at June 18, 2008 7:46 PM

billposer,

Who are these people claiming only Muslims "honor kill"?

Of course, others do it, but even one of the articles you linked to called it "rare".

But most often, it's Muslims.

And yes, terrorism isn't only committed by Muslims.

But most often, it's Muslims.

Most riots in the name of religion are started by Muslims.

Most beheadings are by Muslims.

Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc,

Posted by: Mo Foe at June 19, 2008 11:45 AM

Mo Foe,

You are more right on this one. Remember only because of the making into dhimmtude of non-Muslims is why some non-Muslims took up these actions.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at June 19, 2008 12:39 PM

Mo Fo,

bigcatgirl3106 wrote:

"The Christians of the Arab world NEVER did honor killings. Briggette Gabrial as you cited would blow that myth away."

As I have pointed out, this is simply false. Her further comment, that:

"Remember only because of the making into dhimmtude of non-Muslims is why some non-Muslims took up these actions."

is also wrong. "honor killing" is something that happens in tribal societies based on "balanced opposition" in which men's "honor" depends on female chastity. (For an enlightening discussion, see Philip Carl Salzmann's book "Culture and Conflict in the Middle East".) Islam developed in such a culture and derives many of its unfortunate properties from this. "honor killing" is found, however, in other cultures similar in this respect . It is not that other cultures derive "honor killing" from Islam. Rather, Islam is fertile ground for "honor killing" because it is a product of the kind of culture conducive to "honor killing".

Posted by: billposer at June 19, 2008 2:29 PM

This will make Khalistani Jalandher squirm: Sikhs also indulge in honour killings, though not as extensively as "peaceful" Muslims. See
http://www.justiceforjassi.com/ The green slimes have simply perfected it into an art. The entire sharia brigade needs to be put on ships bound for lovely sharia lands like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: IndianTiger at June 19, 2008 3:36 PM

billposer,

In other words, because the men were to begin with, insecure themselves.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at June 19, 2008 8:20 PM