They'll have a bloody job seeing as the military and police are struggling to recruit enough Muslims to fill their racist diversity quotas in the first place.

Posted by: Mert at January 21, 2007 2:53 PM

Omar Bakri Mohammed, you are a misunderstanderer and an Islamophobe! The Qur'an is all about ecumenical harmony, social justice, equality of the sexes, liberty, and consensual government. Anyone who says otherwise will have to answer to Tony Blair and George W. Bush.

Posted by: Beagle at January 21, 2007 2:59 PM

The only party that can save England from becoming an islamic-dhimmi nation is the British National Party.
They will deal properly with the traitors responsible for undermining the freedoms and the basic concepts of law and order.
The main parties are just working as conveyor belts for pumping more muslim welfare abusers into the nation.
Perhaps we will soon see a 2nd English civil war as the political options seems to be pointless.

Posted by: Hungarian Crusader at January 21, 2007 3:10 PM

I have no doubt Mr. Bakri is correct in his analysis.

Posted by: TheOmegaMan at January 21, 2007 3:23 PM

The British government has spent £90 million pounds of tax-payers' money trying to recruit more Muslims in the army.

In a recent recruiting drive in Birmingham they managed to sign up 15 Muslim recuits.

So, that's only £6 million spent on on getting each soldier who you can't even be sure whom they'll point their guns at. Bit of a bargain there, if you ask me.

It would be cheaper to build a platoon of androids, at least it would be easier to programme them to be on our side.

Posted by: Elephant at January 21, 2007 3:26 PM

I loathe the man, but appreciate his honesty. I believe him, not because he said it, but because I have studied the books and history of Islam. There are thousands of episodes from history, near and far, that provide undisputable proof that what he says is true. Yet we (except we and a growing minority, especially on the internet) still pretend. When is this denial going to stop. We have invited Muslims to the West, have given them everything they could wish for and dream hopelessly for in their homelands. And what do they do? They force their rituals upon us, pushing and pressing against our kindness. They use our freedoms against us yet attack everyone who criticizes Islam as an islamophobe or racist? What race are Muslims again? I see a group of people who believe they are better than the infidels, and think the infidels should be their slaves. But I don't fear them.

Posted by: John Sobieski at January 21, 2007 3:34 PM

Hungarian Crusader,

You are very probably correct, but the problem is this; Britain has become so deranged through being beaten about the collective head with the "racism" club that even in a week where national TV has shown footage of mainstream mosques preaching sedition, Islamic sanctioned racism, misogyny and child abuse, the main story has been whether some loud mouthed English slapper called a bollywood actress a popadom on some celebrity voyeurism show.

I fear the self immolating psyche of the left has so emasculated Britain that even though the BNP offers the only real alternative to waging the war correctly against the dawa and jihad, most Britains wont go there because they think that supporting their own traditions and culture is inherently racist.

You can probably expect a torrent of emails from the British who frequent this site to ensue saying how if the BNP held any political power, all minorities will be herded onto trains and gassed in British equivalents of Auschwitz. I will add that these claims will not be substantiated by any real evidence just hearsay about what some person heard down the pub or there mate told them at work.

Posted by: km at January 21, 2007 3:37 PM

This warning may have much validity to it. As an American friend of Great Britain, I would seriously advise the British people and government to immediately reverse course and do whatever they can to keep the muslims in England OUT of the military and police. At the very least, they should do whatever they can to make sure that they never have access to any heavy weaponry. Another thing, and I know many English don't like to hear this but, for your own good, you should do everything in your power to get your guns rights back. By that, I mean your right to own and carry handguns as well as restore your ownership of semiautomatic longarms and pump action shotguns. The time may come when you seriously need them to defend yourselves and your families, neighbors, and friends.

Posted by: A.I. Steamroller at January 21, 2007 4:08 PM

Only time I have ever agreed with Bakri...

Posted by: Morgane at January 21, 2007 4:54 PM

The problem with the muslims is the muslims themselves. If the radicals have their way, a world without america, israel and europe, they will continue to be a miserable religious group.

The problem is with the koran itself. There is absolutely no hope in the mohammed 's message of jihad.

Posted by: callmeinfidel at January 21, 2007 5:17 PM

This from the "Rest easy in Tel Aviv" thread on this topic.

Compare to what the moderate muslims said in response

The comments were condemned by moderate Muslim leaders. Ibrahim Mogra, the chairman of the Interfaith Relations Committee of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: "This is part of an attempt to create divisions both within the Muslim community and the wider society.

"On the contrary, the more a Muslim police officer becomes a practising Muslim, the more loyal he will become, the more he will realise his duty to his country and the need to contribute to its well-being."

Examine the bolded text. Ibrahim Mogra does not say to what the Muslim police officer will be more loyal to. Neither does he say to which country except "his country".

I have maintained for a long while that Bakri is helpful to us as he shows us the real nature of Islam, while the so-called moderates are the real enemy, for they practice deception. Bakri is honest about the goals of Islam and states them openly, and in that sense, Bakri is not a good Muslim. I'm now beginning to see him as our friend.

Posted by: DP111 at January 21, 2007 5:22 PM

Sound advice, A. I. Steamroller.

Don't be caught unarmed when Bakri's "awakening" of recruited and legally armed Muslims occurs.

Posted by: LoneRanger at January 21, 2007 5:57 PM

"When you start to ask Muslims to join your Army and your police you are making a grave mistake. That British Muslim who joins the police today will one day read the Koran and will have an awakening," he said.
"Those moderates are one day going to be practising Muslims. Now what happens if they are British police or in the Army and they have weapons? How much information do they have about you that they will use to serve the global struggle?”

While this may be a divisive scare tactic the problem is that what he says is also largely true. “Moderate” citizen Muslims have been known to have a change of heart reading the texts of the Koran & Hadiths. As long as these many violent hate-and-subdue-the-infidel texts are there this is a real possibility. How then can Muslims be trusted in sensitive positions? Face it; democracy & Islam just don’t mix. A large Muslim population in a Western democracy means a kind of “state within a state” as we have heard in Dispatches: Undercover Mosques (http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/youtube-has-uks-undercover-mosque ).

The best hope is in severe restrictions on Muslim immigration and tough deportation and citizenship revocation policies, even if it takes the likes of the dreaded BNP (which, to a American like me whose knowledge of the party comes almost entirely from the BMP site, doesn’t seem all that dreadful). The BNP can’t be worse than Muslim Britain with a mosque on Bin Laden Square (formerly called “Trafalgar”).

Posted by: FM at January 21, 2007 6:16 PM

"Another thing, and I know many English don't like to hear this but, for your own good, you should do everything in your power to get your guns rights back"

We do have "gun rights" -- the right of properly-constituted law-enforcement authorities to bear arms, while excluding any nutter with a vengeance from mowing down innocents in a shopping centre if it takes his fancy.

Posted by: JFGR at January 21, 2007 6:20 PM

Tony Blair's senior immigration official (the man who hands out passports) is a known extremist and a member of a group Tony Blair wanted to ban but couldn't due to lack of evidence.

The man is still working!

That should tell us that no matter who says what, and how many muslims are in the civil service, nothing will be done to safeguard Britain.

There's only one thing which can save Britain from Islamification and it isn't legal.

http://godhelpbritain.blogspot.com

Posted by: BritneyBritish at January 21, 2007 6:24 PM

To to reply to those of you who seem to be lauding the BNP; I happen to be a Half Chinese Roman Catholic whose Grandfather fought at Dunkirk, North Africa and Normandy (where he was wounded) during WWII as well as having has a Great Uncle who fought and DIED in Crete against Nazi tyranny. Strangley I just couldn't bring myself to support a later day facist party who would deport me and my family(or would that be half my family).

Posted by: Swiss Tony at January 21, 2007 6:39 PM

Sound advice, A. I. Steamroller.

Don't be caught unarmed when Bakri's "awakening" of recruited and legally armed Muslims occurs.

Posted by: LoneRanger at January 21, 2007 05:57 PM

Thanks, Lone Ranger. And let me just add that being vigilant about our gun rights goes for all our fellow Americans here too considering our own increasing Islamic menace (not to mention the rapidly collapsing Mexican border). If our government can't or won't protect us and our families, we seriously have to consider that we might one day have to do it ourselves.

Posted by: A.I. Steamroller at January 21, 2007 6:47 PM

'"When you start to ask Muslims to join your Army and your police you are making a grave mistake.'

To coin a Spencer-esque expression: what is he? Some kind of Islamophobe?

Infidels are killed for milder statements than this.

This would be a great question for a pub quiz though.

Which public figure said, "When you start to ask Muslims to join your Army and your police you are making a grave mistake."

(a) Nick Griffin?
(b) Avigdor Lieberman?
(c) Jean-Marie le Pen?
(d) Sheikh Omar Bakri?

Posted by: A Nonny Nonny at January 21, 2007 7:05 PM

Not all Islamics are bad, and I don't think any military can trust 100% of their own flesh and blood. This is one of the reasons why America's military changed from having criminals drafted in the Army; who wants a murderer for a commanding officer ? How about a child molester....the list is immense ! The military has their own courts and penalties are very serious.

America's military has Freemasonry, I can expect they also have Islamic fraternities too. Ah, but command is command, and any serious violation will warrant your own death. It's usually kept "hush hush", the military doesn't like the news media.

Posted by: Jeff at January 21, 2007 7:10 PM

Like this you mean?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6284347.stm

Posted by: MrTommyAtkins at January 21, 2007 7:36 PM

What about getting UK, US, French, or Russian nukes?

Posted by: Old Atlantic at January 21, 2007 8:18 PM

Wouldn't to many violent acts from within by fanatical muzzies, be shooting themselves (muzzies)in the foot? we,the infidel, would have to reexamine our hiring policies for positions of authority. Eventually, I believe that even monkey see no evil,hear no evil, say no evil,(pc left)will have to take the stick out of their BLEEEEEEEP! straighten up and fly right. And this cretin omar, must have the mentallity of a 6 yr. old playing hide and go seek. Sometimes they're not very discrete. Thanks for the warning bonehead! (of course most reasonable people would never see that coming.)sarc

Posted by: mustang65 at January 21, 2007 9:28 PM

A Moslem is a Moslem is a Moslem.

or

A Moslem's a Moslem for all a' that.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 21, 2007 10:57 PM

It's amazing when the enemy states so plainly their intent but the politically correct hair in the ears of current British leaders have totally blocked out the sound.

The BNP will be the only option for the brave British who once again feel the need to defend their country and its culture from totalitarian barbarians under the guise of Islam.

Swiss tony,
Perhaps your fears can be either affirmed or diminished by going to your local BNP office and stating what you have posted. I have not seen this position of Facism that you claim but a perception that the Islamist threat envelopes Chinese, Catholics and all non-Muslims. A latter day Hitler like party would not gather the support that the BNP has in Britain.

At least you have a viable party that is aware of the Islamist threat and have a platform to deal with it. I have no option here in America.

Posted by: Briars at January 21, 2007 11:08 PM

Muslims in England complain about being stereo typed and looked upon with suspicion etc. etc. As any one can tell from these comments it is the Muslims spokes men , with high media profiles that provide the evidence for such stereo typing and suspicion. Which is only fueled by the so-called " vast majority of Muslims " who give silent approval to such comments.

Muslims in England are stereo typed, looked upon with suspicion and even segregated from the rest of English society because they CHOSE TO BE. That is the way that they want it.

----Nossy

Posted by: Nostrodamus at January 21, 2007 11:25 PM

JFGR,

Re: "Gun rights", you write, "We do have "gun rights" -- the right of properly-constituted law-enforcement authorities to bear arms, while excluding any nutter with a vengeance from mowing down innocents in a shopping centre if it takes his fancy."

Sounds a lot like Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Russia to me. Their law-enforcement authorities were "properly constituted" too! And your laws only seem to stop the law abiding citizen from defending himself against private or government violence, if my daily reading of the British press is any indication. Seems to be that there are a lot of "nutters" (I love that word!) mowing down innocents all over the place!

Posted by: jovan66102 at January 22, 2007 12:27 AM

Swiss Tony >>>>>

To to reply to those of you who seem to be lauding the BNP; I happen to be a Half Chinese Roman Catholic whose Grandfather fought at Dunkirk, North Africa and Normandy (where he was wounded) during WWII as well as having has a Great Uncle who fought and DIED in Crete against Nazi tyranny. Strangley I just couldn't bring myself to support a later day facist party who would deport me and my family(or would that be half my family).

So naive and cliche , if needs be chose the lesser of two evils as i will.
Fight fire with fire.
The BNP are the ONLY party who will deal with
the Islamic menace and other important issues
like crime.

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at January 22, 2007 4:54 AM

A white friend of mine tried to join the Metropolitan Police in London. He couldn't join because of the 'positive discrimination' towards asians and muslims in particular. I can see their logic, no-one can call an asian copper racist for arresting an asian.

But discrimination 'positive' or otherwise is STILL discrimination.

My friend is now going to join the Army even though he does not want to fight because its the only thing he can do.

Posted by: Vishant at January 22, 2007 6:42 AM

Find out what time a Muslim has to pray, then commit your crime at that time....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 22, 2007 7:52 AM

A Moslem is a Moslem is a Moslem.

or

A Moslem's a Moslem for all a' that.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 21, 2007 10:57 PM

Actually, unicorns62000, Britain's Muslim community, despite all the substantial accommodation they enjoy, led the pack when it came to putting their Muslim identity before their British citizenship. If memory serves only about 18% of British Muslims identified first as Brits, Germany's Muslims at 30-odd percent, and France's Muslim community closing in at about 50:50 (if you discount the 20% who sat on the fence).

Posted by: waterdragon52 at January 22, 2007 7:59 AM

Swiss Tony:

You have been duped by the UK media's state-encouraged, hysterical, anti-BNP smear campaign. If you look at the BNP's web site (www.bnp.org.uk) under Policies > our stance, you will find the following:

"... we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question. We will abolish the 'positive discrimination' schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of 'asylum seekers' ..."

The BNP would ensure that headlines such as:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=421230&in_page_id=1770

and (particularly relevant to this topic):

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2559390,00.html

never appear again.

Posted by: watling at January 22, 2007 8:12 AM

OT, but, Freemasonry is not a "fraternity".

Posted by: igetit at January 22, 2007 8:21 AM

Watling I just read the story about the Somali child rapist being given 50,000 pounds compensation, for those that havent read the above link you should.

I am afraid words fail me to really comment on the absurdity of that story. It just highlights how insane Britain has become, the time of torches and pitchforks appoacheth.

Posted by: km at January 22, 2007 2:52 PM

km

The Somali child rapist is just one. Take a look at "Political Correctness Watch" they compare the case of a second generation white Zimbabwian who is living in Britain, is hard working and law abiding with,

"Roberto Malasi, the robber and convicted murderer. He and his family came to Britain in 1995, seeking asylum from Angola, and in 1999 they were given indefinite leave to remain here. Now 18, when he was 16 he shot dead a woman holding a baby at a christening, while robbing the guests with his younger brother; he escaped, went on the run boasting about this killing and soon afterwards stabbed to death a girl he thought had "dissed" him."

Guess with one the Home Office is kicking out?

PS NO Prizes!

Posted by: Fred at January 22, 2007 5:37 PM

Sheik whatever his name is, is actually right. This revolt and capitulation by the Brits has started already as we all here know.

Did anyone here read about the Muslim woman who just graduated from the Police Academy for the London Metropolitan Police Service last week? Apparently it has been a tradition for the around 200 year old service that all recruits are met and welcomed to the Service with a hand shake from the Police Chief himself. Well that tradition just got kicked in the balls by a female Muslim recruit who refused to shake hands with the Police Chief as it was against her religion to touch a man that she was not related to.

The Police Chief was reported to have been furious but kept his cool to avoid a scene. Too bad I say, he should have fired her on the spot as she just admitted she couldn't possibly carry out her job as required by law.

Damn things just keep getting worse in Britainistan.

Niv

Posted by: The fanatic at January 22, 2007 6:24 PM

It is good news that Sheikh Omar Bakri has made this statement as now we can quote him whenever it is relevant.
The fact is that most Muslim police officers in Britain are a constant source of disruption to the running of the Metropolitan Police and the various provincial forces with their insolent demands and selective obedience.
It was only a few months ago that one of the Met Police force's four Assistant Commissioners based at Scotland Yard in London, who is a Muslim, tried to undermine anti-terrorist spot-checks on travellers of Muslim appearence at airports and stations by declaring that a new crime had been invented. The words he was quoted as using in the British media were: 'A new offence has been created, that of travelling while Muslim.'
I don't feel any comment is neccessary.
Next widely reported blow to Muslim police credibility was during the Hezbollah attack on Israel last year when a constable in the elite 'Diplomatic Protection Group' based at Kensington police station and which is composed wholly of volunteers who are armed (unlike most British police), decided he wasn't going to protect the Israeli Embassy. Any non-Muslim officer in the DPG who refused to guard an embassy or specific diplomats would have found he or she was relegated to some dead-end outpost somewhere like Ponders End before they could say goodbye.
This guy, however, was given the use of a 'safe house' to protect him and his family and given indefinate leave on full pay from - the Muslim anger he felt frightened of for merely having been publicised as a serving Met officer. Given that jihadis attempted to blow up the Israeli Embassy in London some years ago with a car bomb parked by a woman of Arab appearence and which resulted in death and injury, one shudders to imagine a Muslim of Lebanese Muslim origins like him guarding the building anyway.
However, while on the subject of Muslims serving in the police and the armed forces - it is only a matter of about nine years by my calculations that the UK will have its first Muslim in command of the Royal Navy and if the dice falls in this guy's favour then he will be an admiral (he's currently a Rear Admiral, aged 49, of Pakistani family and a former commander of Portsmouth naval base, promoted Rear Admiral last summer). If this brilliant career pattern continues he could be the Chief of the Defence Staff as I predict if he's a full admiral when the post falls to the Navy (it rotates between the three armed forces but excludes the Royal Marines) which would mean Britain's defence would be in the hands of a Muslim. He may well be a superlative officer and he may well be loyal but if one was a marxist or a neo-nazi one would not be allowed to join up on security grounds, even if one was no real threat.
Given that the Royal Navy apparently has only 16 serving Muslim sailors it seems incredible that all British Royal Navy ships serve only meat that is halal.
The rookie police woman who refused to shake hands with Sir Ian Blair, her boss, should have been spotted and weeded out long before she completed training (done at British tax-payers' expense). What will happen, I wonder, if hundreds of Muslims join the police and then engineer being fired as soon as they have been trained? By then they will know enough about classified information and security procedures to wreck British policing and perhaps achieve a Muslim state.

Posted by: moris2 at January 23, 2007 8:39 PM