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Yes, kill the teachers first. That will make it easier for you to impose your spiritual and ideological straitjacket. "Teacher beheaded, say officials," from MWEB, with thanks to Vikk:
Kandahar - Suspected Taliban militants have beheaded a teacher in a central Afghan town, the latest in a string of attacks on teachers and schools in the volatile region, officials said on Wednesday.The decapitated body of Malim Abdul Habib was found in his home in Qalat on Wednesday, said Ali Khail, a local government spokesman....
Habib was a teacher at Shaikh Mathi Baba School, which is attended by both sexes.
Zabul province's education director Nabi Khushal blamed the Taliban for the killing.
"Only the Taliban are against girls being educated," he said....
He said 100 of the province's 170 registered schools were closed, mostly in outlying districts, because of poor security.
Of the 35,000 students attending schools in Zabul, only 2,700 were girls, he said.
There has been a spate of attacks on girls schools and teachers across Afghanistan since United States-led forces ousted the Taliban in 2001.
Posted by Robert at January 4, 2006 6:16 AM
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What is the verse that justifies no education for females? Since the taliban see themselves as perfect muslims there must be a verse in the koran, hadith or sunna.
Posted by: Borg
at January 4, 2006 11:03 AM
This is a perfect illustration of the significant differences between the Karzai gov't and its Taliban enemies...that whichever side holds power DOES matter, not just in terms of American security interests (which is - pragmatically speaking - the most important consideration, at least in this American's opinion), but also in altruistic terms, i.e., the conditions in which Afghan citizens, particularly women and girls, are allowed to live their lives.
The Karzai gov't is addmittedly struggling to find its way to the light of civilization. There have been many victories (educational opportunities for girls, career opportunities for women, the relegitimation of recreation) and some setbacks (limits on free speech, the jailing of an editor).
But by comparison, the Taliban is firmly ensconsed in the realm of barbarism, eager to reimpose its abject fascism on the Afghan people, determined to subjugate the aspirations of women and girls (as the article amply demonstrates)...and again, most importantly of all, aspiring to re-establish itself as the epicenter of global jihad, providing a haven to our Al Qaeda enemies and creating conditions identical to those that existed in the run-up to 9-11.
In the Cold War, the US supported regimes like Tito's Yugoslavia, because 1)though it was Communist and undemocratic, it practiced a gentler brand of Communism, somewhat decentralized, with tolerated small-scale, family-run private business and agriculture...and 2)most importantly of all, it stood in steadfast opposition to Soviet social imperialism.
A similarly practical approach to the Islamic world is a necessity. Some practitioners of realpolitik who are rightly skeptical of attempts to push Democracy in the Muslim world...turn right around and promulgate a rigid ideological approach themselves, advocating the abandonment of all Muslim countries that aren't secular. So Ben Ali of Tunisia for example is worthy of our help because he is a committed secularist, but Hamed Karzai who makes compromises with Islam, is not.
I feel that Karzai and his gov't, Islamic warts and all, are infinitely preferable to the Taliban, who murder teachers, disempower women, consign girls to ignorance and who provided sanctuary to those who attacked us on 9-11.
Posted by: Cornelius
at January 4, 2006 11:21 AM
A nice Taliban Catch-22: If there are male teachers at girls' schools, there's all that gender mixing: They might... look at each other!
If the teachers are women, they're working outside of the home. Can't have that either.
Posted by: Shinoliite
at January 4, 2006 11:57 AM
Borg asks, What is the verse that justifies no education for females? Since the taliban see themselves as perfect muslims there must be a verse in the koran, hadith or sunna.
I'm not sure if there is a specific verse within the Koran, Hadiths or Sunna that specifically justifies against the education of females; but there are plenty that are quite plainly misogynistic and which encourage violence against women.
As an example see:
"I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were women....[because] they are ungrateful to their husbands and they are deficient in intelligence. " (The Prophet Muhammad) Sahih Bukhari V 2, B 24, N 541
You can find plenty more anti-women verses in the Koran, the Hadiths and the Sunna. A good place to start might be:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/abulkazem/Women_in_Islam.htm
Posted by: Razdan
at January 4, 2006 12:18 PM
Razdan, I've seen those but is there a specific verse against educating females? Or is it that the other rules just naturally require this as a consequence? I think since Mo was illiterate there were probably no schools for females in his day and so he would not have considered making a proposition (verse) against it since he could not have forseen it ever happening in the future.
Posted by: Borg
at January 4, 2006 12:26 PM
Obviously both Islamic clerics and the Taliban
Are scared to DEATH of the thought of women being able to read..
For if they were able to read they might just open up the koran and find out the wonderful islamic paradise they are about to spend the rest of their lives in...
The taliban have proven that when history disagrees with the False Koran...
1. you blow up the offending sites that offend islam (the budha) statues for example
2. Women can only be taught to be slaves to their islamic masters so education is primarily on how to breed as fast a possible to create more suicide bombers...
3. Child care by mohammed offers classes on how to rear your little terrorist from birth to be as efficient an islamic terrorist as possible..
All so they can gain access to allahs whorehouse in the sky..
but you know whats really sad about this...
When the muslim is dead and wakes up in HELL finding Mohammed sitting right next to him..
What a waste of Human life...
GOD NEVER intended for HUMAN beings to be SLaughtered like animals...
But this is what Islam teaches...
and This is why Islam must be STOPPED..
at January 4, 2006 12:31 PM
If "allah" guides who allah will, then why doesn't he just guide everyone automatically? Does he want to watch people fight? Like putting two roosters into the ring to watch them for his enjoyment? Or are all other beliefs attributed to satan? Who is more powerful anyway? If allah is all powerful why is there anyone under satan's influence? If satan is an angel gone astray why doesn't god/allah just slap him back into behaving? Maybe people who are hearing allah speak in their heads (hearing voices?) should get a mental health check? People who are reading things printed on a manmade printing press and calling it the word of god should think about why doesn't allah just put 'the word' in your brain? After all why would god allow other religions to take hold if he is all powerful? Unless he likes violence? Wants wars? A chess game to be played with peoples lives. Would an all powerful being be so bored that this could be entertainment? The need to be bowed down to makes him feel good? Would he notice such pitifully small specks in the universe or are we at the center of attention in this immense universe. What conceit people have.
If Mo was to be the last prophet why wasn't he born with the knowledge instead of learning about the other faiths from a slave. If women were not meant to be smart or have money, why was his first wife a wealthy business women? Did she earn her money or was she wealthy because she was a widow of a smart man and she, herself, was stupid? If Mo made things better for women than they were before how could she have had money?
And, to all those literate islamic followers out there, how could the books be full of quotes when nothing was written down at the time of the events? Was everything memorized word for word by everyone? How smart do you credit those people with being? And if not one word has been changed why are there many pages that are more than half pages of notes explaing things for the reader. Explanations that one would have to accept blindly because they make no sense.
I'm still waiting for answers. Answers that make SENSE.
Non~muslims are not "non~believers" in god or not "people of faith". A different term is needed.
The taliban could be hearing satans voice in their heads, how would they know?
I still am waiting for the anti-education verse of this topic.
OT rant off/
Posted by: Borg
at January 4, 2006 1:12 PM
I still am waiting for the anti-education verse of this topic.
Part of the sick genius of the Taliban is not only the literal interpretation of all the explicitly oppressive teachings of Islam, but extrapolations on them. For example, Mohammed had a lot to say about the degree of coverage on women, but the Taliban seemed to take that extreme notion of modesty even farther into an odd fascination with women's shoes-- color, whether they made noise, and so on.
Long story short, I think that kind of extrapolation led to the Taliban's stance on educating girls; this time, it deals with the mixing of genders, as I mentioned in a previous post above. Of course, a general culture of misogyny only helps the Taliban take already-oppressive rules (like the veiling and seclusion of women) to a whole new level.
Posted by: Shinoliite
at January 4, 2006 1:57 PM
This beheading brought to you by the practitioners of that "religion of peace". To keep them dumb, you take their head. I guess the NOW gang should be up in arms about this act of chuvanisim (I hope I spelled that right). But no. it was just a male teacher teaching boys AND girls. No outcries of unfairness yet from the feminazis. This stinks of the enslavement of women. But at last, it wasn't a woman that gave her life to teach little girls reading, writng ,and arithmatic. It was a man!!! In this country, the feminazis claim that marriage is legalized slavery for women. May be they should go over to an Islamofeces country and find out what the enslaverment of women really is. The Taliban are the supreme male chuvanists, but the NOW gang is very silent. Not a peep out of them. The Taliban want to keep women dumb. They don't want them to know that they are somebody to. They don't want their women to know that their purpose in life is not to give birth to a future homicide bomber. Or more importantly, the Taliban don't want the women to know that they are not property to be owned by leacherous Muslim men. May be the feminists don't remember the pictures of women in a soccer field dressed in full Islamic black dress with an AK 47 pointed at their heads. And then the next one of them laying dead on the stadium ground by a bullet to the brain!!! C'mon you feminists. Where is the outrage? Oh, its only reserved for President Bush when he steps out of line. I guess this is reasonable concidering your record of complaints against the "rapist in chief" William Jefferson Blythe Clinton. And your support of his victims, mounumental!!! No Dikes on Bikes, no Kotex Kommandoes. Only silence. The silence of 2,700 young girls brains yearning to learn, but not. The silence of Malim Abdul Habib brought to you by the Taliban Islamofeces headhunters, killers of free thought and learning. NOW gang, are you at least breathing? Nancy Pelosi, Diane Frankenstein. Babs Boxer? Anyone?
Posted by: Ironman Hondo
at January 4, 2006 2:35 PM
NOW is selling these women down the river because they don't want to have to endorse anything this administration has done, like knocking the Taliban out of power.
Posted by: Shinoliite
at January 4, 2006 3:00 PM
"We don't need no education" - P. Floyd
Ignorance
Slavery
Licentiousness
Amputations
Murder
at January 4, 2006 4:20 PM
Ironman Hondo,
Not only do I consider myself a feminist, but I've been a staunch opponent of Islamic tenets for over 20 years now, well before 9/11, initially because of its practice of female oppression, but now for broader reasons concerning hatred of tyranny. When the U.S. went to Afghanistan, I was so overjoyed I almost cried. Unfortunately, the Taliban has regrouped, mainly because U.S. troops are spread too thin and stationed in other places.
You seem to have a problem with feminism, which is not too uncommon among the American right. So be it. You have the right to your opinion.
When Gloria Steinem recently jeered at Hugh Hefner's habits concerning women as being "almost Moslem, really," she was denounced by American muslims immediately for her comment. Hardly being politically correct with that comment, was she? And she didn't apologize. To extrapolate from her statement that she's critical of Islamic practices is a no-brainer -- of course she is.
If you are really so critical of the Taliban, you might want to do something like support the presence of more troops in Afghanistan, where the U.S. should have never meandered from after 9/11. Venting your spleen at American feminists for the beheading of an Afghani schoolteacher is a colossal waste of time.
Posted by: kafira
at January 4, 2006 4:33 PM
Read more detail:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180554,00.html
Not only did they behead the guy, but they made his wife and kids watch while they did it. What kind of sick b*st*rds do that?
Islamists love to do the beheadings publicly, for some reason. Only sadistic freaks get a charge out of that.
Posted by: sanman
at January 4, 2006 5:36 PM
RE: GOD NEVER intended for HUMAN beings to be SLaughtered like animals.
And God never intended for people to do nothing when people are oppressed!
Send in the Special Forces and nab these animals and bring them to justice!
Posted by: learjet0450
at January 4, 2006 7:02 PM
Until the threatened teachers start packing heat they're just as fatalistically absurd as their crazier Taliban brothers.
Why would anyone in Afghanistan NOT be carrying at least an old soviet era Tokarev pistol?
To take a few of the violent vermin with you.
I just don't understand such passivity in the face of such viciousness.
But then I vomit when I read the Koran, too.
Hmm...
Posted by: profitsbeard
at January 5, 2006 12:46 AM
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, as the name indicates, applies to all humans.
http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
We all have the right to life, liberty, & security, and if any person or tribe considers themselves over and above our inalienable rights, then they shall be addressed with the full force of the law, until they are removed from civilized society.
Islamist supremacists are at work, imposing unjust & backward looking Sharia law on the world’s citizenry, through a steady stream of violent Jihad, and through a subtle, yet rapid, Muslim settlement into our Western countries.
Islamists believe they are above & beyond the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,
& they have special tribal privilege, egotistically granted by their ancient god, Allah.
All of us know the Quran, Hadith, & Sira were authored by scribes, & not by a god.
Allah is mute, and therefore, Allah cannot agree or disagree with the Taliban & Islamic supremacy.
at January 5, 2006 1:50 AM


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