Just like the example of Tamerlane, this is Koranic piety in action. Which Muslim scholar can deny this on theological grounds? "When you enter a movement it's never a sin because there's a cause", hmmm, now where have I heard that one before?

Posted by: igor at December 12, 2005 5:57 AM

moderationist,

Don't forget the black rock.

Posted by: jay at December 12, 2005 7:00 AM

there needs to be sound bites of his statements in the media, broadcast statements of this monster so the Italians/Europeans can learn of the enemy in their midst!

Posted by: Lulu at December 12, 2005 7:20 AM

If you have NOT seen an Islamic jihadic beheading then I suggest you do, if just to see with what we are dealing here. But if you have a weak stomach then do not. I made myself watch one over a year ago and I still am horrified by it.

They do not remove the head in one clean slice a la “Chop Chop” square in Riyadh.
What they do is saw it off like you would a slice of bread. It takes from 30 to 60 secs to complete this most barbarously cruel of acts. How can they do this? Well they get plenty of practice as it is the exact same way that they kill their sheep. Those who come to regard another group of human beings as animals, and who treat them as such, become animals themselves and as such should be excluded from all human treatment.

What is so hard to swallow is that the “bleeding heart” politically correct take NO notice of this sort of behaviour and treat it as exceptional and unrepresentative of Islam. Unfortunately, they are extrapolating from their own Christian beliefs in humanity and tolerance and these have NO role in Islam unless you are Muslim.

Posted by: Zathras at December 12, 2005 7:58 AM

Zathras, they are not acting like animals, but human monsters. l would rather trust living in a den of lions than with the likes of these barbaric murderous monsters!

Posted by: Lulu at December 12, 2005 8:18 AM

Give these vermin what they truly need:

a well aimed bullet.

Post a picture of the mercy killing where it will be seen by their confederates.

To encourage the others. Pour encourager les autres.

Posted by: dgene at December 12, 2005 8:39 AM

Lulu...I agree with you in theory.

Humans who regard another human group as untermenschen or undesirable become capable of the most extreme barbarism in their dealing with them. I agree that most animals only kill for need and although cats generally do have a bad habit of"playing" with their prey, no animal group can be accused of behaviour which we term "animal" in humans.

The meaning was meant from the common usage POV as opposed to literally. The most barbaric acts in the world are committed by humans that we call "animals". To myself there is no other word to aptly describe them unless you know of a better one.
Not being omniscient I am always open to advice
here and no offence meant or taken.

Posted by: Zathras at December 12, 2005 9:21 AM

These people are possessed by Mohammads demon, Allah/Satan. Islam practices the old art of 'theronistics', the creation and maintenance of monstrosities. Ahmed is one of the results of Islams preoccupation with evil deeds by evil dudes.

Posted by: duh_swami at December 12, 2005 9:47 AM

Seamystic...you are quite correct: the way to STOP homicidal bombers who kill innocents is to wrap the surviving head inside a pig's carcase and then cremate it. Un ortunately the Jews are just as squeamish about Babe. What a pity!!

General Pershing in ? 1914 stopped the southern Phillipines Huk rebellion overnight by doing similar.

Perhaps if this was reintroduced terrorism might decrease markedly but can you imagine what the bleeding hearts and the PC fools would say?

Roll on with cold fusion so that we can nullify the oil weapon.

Posted by: Zathras at December 12, 2005 10:09 AM

General Pershing in ? 1914 stopped the southern Phillipines Huk rebellion overnight by doing similar.

Is this true or is it a tall tale?

Ned Sherrin, who founded the "Society for the Authentication of Tall Tales", might know the answer, although usually his tales involved actors.

Posted by: Interested at December 12, 2005 10:19 AM

General Pershing in ? 1914 stopped the southern Phillipines Huk rebellion overnight by doing similar.

Is this true or is it a tall tale?

He did use bacon body bags on at least one occasion after using firing squads to send some of the mohammedans to paradise.

He also spared one or more of the rebels and advised them to "spread the word", so to speak.

His action is credited by at least some writers for stopping the rebellion.

I presume that other measures were taken as well.

Posted by: Anthony at December 12, 2005 10:54 AM

Ghandi said that a civilisation can only be judged by the way it treats it's animals.
This is true but i'm a Vegan and walk the walk.

All islamic societies still practice ritual slaughter.
Every year at the Haj pilgrimage around 6 million sheep(sic) are ritually sacrificed in the name of Allan.
These sheep are shipped on enormous container ships in the most horrendous conditions from Australia and New Zealand.

People talk about the wests reliance on foreign oil but what I find more disgusting is the arab world reliance on foreign agri-buisness.

If anyone wishes to view an al-quaeda beheading video got to.
www.ogrish.com

be warned your life will never be the same again.

peace and go vegan.

Posted by: ovinesongs at December 12, 2005 11:17 AM

Ghandi said that a civilisation can only be judged by the way it treats it's animals.

Are you sure he said that? (I'm having a Doubting Thomas day today.)

What about the way it treats its women? That always seems to be a good barometer. Of course Islamic civilisation is not good for animals or women, and sometimes confuses the two.

I'm not sure how you do the vegan thing and the pigskin thing.

Posted by: Interested at December 12, 2005 11:29 AM

Posted by: Zathras...

"If you have NOT seen an Islamic jihadic beheading then I suggest you do, if just to see with what we are dealing here"

I agree Zathras. I forced myself to watch a video of an actual beheading....and was shocked for days and disgusted beyond words.

That horrific sin - is approved by the god of Islam.

Proof - from the Koran:

047.004 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers in fight, smite at their necks.

SCARY - isn't it?.....watching the leaders of America continue with the lie that Islam is a religion of peace

How is it ppossible? for this world to become any more crooked? when the land of the brave that shines from sea to sea has soaked itself with 'self-denial' - refusing the brutal disgusting truth about Islam's teachings?

America has set aside the one True Golden Rule of treating others as we ourselves want to be treated. {{{She became ashamed of that teaching.

Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

The same goes for nations.

Posted by: Beth at December 12, 2005 2:03 PM

'I'm not sure how you do the vegan thing and the pigskin thing. '~ Interested

They call it 'Stuffed Cabbage.'

Posted by: Gary at December 12, 2005 2:29 PM

ovinesong writes:
"Ghandi said that a civilisation can only be judged by the way it treats it's animals."

Ghandi said a lot of stupid things. Why is this one
so special?

Animals aren't people, there is no implicit
reciprocity between people and animals, nor can there be. People who value animals with people are ethically deficient. Hitler was really into being kind to animals too.

That said, one shouldn't be gratuitously cruel to
animals. A good hunter aims to kill quickly with
one well placed shot.

Posted by: American at December 12, 2005 5:26 PM

What kind of breed are these people?

Europe is heading for one almighty war in the next 50 years,with the Islamists,thank God,I won't be around to witness it.You can only hope that `the powers to be`...CIA,FBI,MI5,MI6,MOSSAD etc etc...are actually doing some serious work behind the scenes.

These Islamists...it's if they are from another time in history....

The decent muslims will also suffer,don't forget!

Posted by: Golgotha Skies at December 12, 2005 5:38 PM

I just did some very quick research on the Pershing story and it does look like it could be just an "urban(or in this case: rustic) myth".

In addition even if it were true, there would be some mullah somewhere who would twist it all to say that: " those murderers who are forced to endure this sacrilege will have access to 700 virgins and live for 2x eternity in their arms"
and be allowed the ?pleasure of meeting Muhammad's many wives.

You must realise that truth is of no value when told to the indoctrinated or the infidel, unless it has some positive value to Islam and if you think about, if they do believe in the rubbish promised to Jihadic murderers by bloodthirsty Allah through paedophilic Muhammad then why not simply add to it as a bonus for putting up with pork exposure. Remember!! All you have to do is find ONE line in the Qur'an which hints of a need and it will do.

But it IS a pity, as the US could introduce a bacon rind bullet for the M16 for use in Iraq
and they could pull out those old ?M60 tanks uformerly used to fire missiles and convert them to fire 3 day old(and bloated) pig carcases at the hostile jihadists.Just think!! the individual soldier would not need rations as he could just..well... eat his own bullets sorry!! :))

Posted by: Zathras at December 12, 2005 6:22 PM

RE: Europe is heading for one almighty war in the next 50 years,with the Islamists.

It may happen sooner than you think. Russia is actively arming Iran in addition to supporting the nuclear program. Israel is getting real close to "toasting" Iran which will also kill many Russian technicians.

Russia with the Arabs will invade Israel.
It has been prophesized in the Bible and it is called the Gog-Magog War. But as before, Israel survives and the invaders get "toasted" And according to the Bible the devastation will be so great that it takes 7 years to clean up the remains.

Posted by: learjet0450 at December 12, 2005 7:36 PM

I'm not sure how you do the vegan thing and the pigskin thing. '~ Interested

I dont get what you mean but there is a product called Lorica which is tougher and more abrasion resistant than leather.

"Animals aren't people, there is no implicit
reciprocity between people and animals, nor can there be. People who value animals with people are ethically deficient."

Ethically if you think animals are to be dhimmied to humans your just as bad as any islamofacist.
If you want to debate the ethics about it I can assure my research will be far more in depth and besides this topic aint about my ethical stance.

The ethics of animal equality is light years ahead of any current brand of civilisation.
It has no quasi-religious/political connections only the desire to stop cruelty and injustice of all kinds.
Were just waiting for everyone else to catch up.

Posted by: ovinesongs at December 12, 2005 11:13 PM

This is not intended to do so but it may upset some of you americans: if that mushroom cloud occurred over your most faithful ally: Australia, then what would the USA do?

If one was exploded in the USA I have no doubt that there would be an overwhelming response by the USA and even perhaps a return of service if Riyadh or Teheran or Damascus etc could be blamed with certainty.

But if one was exploded in my backyard(Oz), I doubt that we would see much more than rhetoric and medical/emergency aid. Despite Oz being an ally, I doubt that the USA would amplify its war effort by much. During WW2 MacArthur taught many of us us scepticism(politicians excluded)

However if these lunatics(crescent moon:)) do explode one anywhere then perhaps it will wake up that notoriously heavily sleeping eunuch: Europe but i doubt whether his PC controllers will allow him to wear his testicles vs Islam and anyway Brussels would see it all as an american plot just to involve them. While the emasculated politically correct run the EU you will see NO coherent attempts to control or nullify Islam.

Austria is waking up as is Holland and Denmark but what can they do by themselves?

A question if I may...if Turkey gains full admission to the EU, and Turkey allows all Muslims to move to Turkey without hassle(is this true?) then it will simply act as a conduit for overwhelming Muslim immigration into the EU from the middle east and africa. Right or wrong?
Minimal sarcasm and maximal truth here would be appreciated. thank you.

Posted by: Zathras at December 13, 2005 1:35 AM

Zathras: You might be surprised at the overwhelming response from us Americans should a mushroom cloud appear over Australia. In fact, I believe it would be immoral if that response were not overwhelming. If we wind up with a Democratic prez in 2008, however, that might change, especially since the latest slogan from that party regarding Iraq is 'retreat and defeat'. The impression I get here, though is that Americans are quite grateful for your country's support and continued troop deployment. I can only work to help ensure that continues.

Ovinesongs: I am a hunter, dead flesh eater, and member of Animal Welfare Institute. I assure you, I have reams upon reams of information and research to support humane hunting and livestock management, in complete contrast to the unnatural vegan lifestyle. To compare this to islamofascism is plainly silly. In case you doubt my moral authority on this issue, I was a vegan for two years and nearly died. I have been in robust health since the day I began once again eating meat and drinking raw dairy products. Welcome your input.

Posted by: CandyQueen at December 13, 2005 1:48 PM

Nearly everything is a 'sin' in Islam EXCEPT murder...

which is an act of 'martyrdom.'

Posted by: pythagoras at December 13, 2005 5:56 PM

The use of the word Martyr by Muslims is a gross prostitution of the word when its original and most longlived meaning is considered. A martyr is a person who is prepared to die for his/her beliefs, be they political or religious. It has no sense of violence towards others and no sense of anger or retribution. The Muslim bastardisation is used to mean someone who kill shimself in an attempt to kill his enemy be they women and children or soldiers. This is NOT a martyr this is a pure and utter murderer.

Pythagoras I did not quite understand your comment as if anyhting violent is done to a non Muslim in the name of Islam it is not a sin and there is no proscribed penance under Sharia law.
In a Sharia law state a nonMuslim cannot even give evidence against a muslim.

Pope Urban the ?? can take some of the blame here but after the crusades ended the term regained its pure meanin guntil the Muslims prostituted it.

CandyQueen I hope that you are right but while i have a lot of time for the American people I am not convinced by any of your goverments whatever the party.

Posted by: Zathras at December 14, 2005 12:32 AM

Olvines:
If you think the islamic method of slaughtering animals (halal) is reprehensible, then I think you will see islam sink to a new low if you research about how muslims in Iran delightfully torture and abuse dogs in order to humiliate, shock and anger the remaining Zoroastrians in Iran. Dogs have a special place in Zoroastrian culture and religion, where hey are valued and well treated.

With this in mind, I think you can extrapolate how a muslim majority in a western country would treat dogs, knowing how much we infidels love dogs (well most of us anyway). Also dog fighting is very common thru out the muslim world, and bear baiting is common too in countries that have bear populations. On National Geographic I saw footage of a bear baiting that was set up as entertainment for a wedding reception in Pakistan.
Most disgusting and infuriating.

Posted by: WhiteDemon}:) at December 14, 2005 2:58 AM

Zathras,
I have visited Australia on several occasions. Sydney and Darwin. I had a great time in both places. Really enjoyed your wonderful country.
In Sydney, I visited the Botannical Gardens and went to Bondi Beach to sunbathe topless. Guess the muslims won't allow a girl that little pleasure anymore?

I would like to think that if Australia were nuked that the USA would open up a can of whoop-ass on whatever muslims did it and and nuke mecca just for good measure (my personal preference), but some of our PC limp dick pacifist politicians might not want to do the right thing and will probably do everything they can to throw a monkey wrench into the works. Remember we did pull out all the stops to save Britain, and we like Australians a lot more than those stuffed shirts (well at least I do - specially Keith Urban).
I can say that the American public would put a lot of pressure on the government to kick some raghead ass, and you would likely have Americans coming to Australia on their own to help you kick ass and for the pure pleasure of capping some rahead terrorists. I myself would like to see what my .454 Casul would do to a muzzie terrorist. Jest fer curiosity's sake....

Just keep in mind that in order to defeat inhuman monsters, you may have to become inhuman monsters yourselves - at least temporarily. Just like the cat that plays with it's prey so it can learn how to kill more efficiently and thus survive better, we (western civilization) may have to be cruel at times in order to survive this confrontation with islam.

Good luck with the muzzies. You can't live with 'em, and you just can't kill 'em....hmmmm, wait a minute! ; )

Posted by: WhiteDemon}:) at December 14, 2005 3:35 AM

Thank you WD.....unfortunately one day i believe we may just have to do so and armageddon may just come...but to Islam and only it

Posted by: Zathras at December 14, 2005 5:58 AM

Zathras:

The Aussies have been our best and most faithful allies, always. I would hope that we would do whatever was necessary to protect/defend Oz.

I have a .454 Casul also.

Posted by: CGW at December 14, 2005 8:21 AM

candyqueen.

I know it's hard following a Vegan diet but it really is the most healthy and eco friendly way to eat.
Plenty of beans and rice and you should be alright...it's what the rest of the world lives on.
Soya milk gives you more calcium per fluid Oz without the animal fat which will eventually raise your blood pressure and give you heart attack.

I understand your point about self reliance and yes if you live in the woods and your only form of sustenace is what you catch then fair dues.
But shooting a bear for sport?...please.
Get rid of the guns and go head to head then lets see how the bear does.
Self sufficiency is a great thing but these days most people in the free world have become reliant on forms of agricultural practice that are medieval to the extreme.

I compare the dhimmitude of religious pratice to the dhimmitude that humans practice over animals.
It might be an alien concept but if you think about it laterally it fits into place.

We all have different views and a way of life but this what freedom is all about.
I dont like the fact that you hunt but as long as your not damaging the overall ecology then I would defend your freedom of choice.
I understand that hunters have a love for nature too...it's just that it's conditional..thats where we differ.

feel free to contact me i'm sure your a nice person.
What were all here for is truth.
Religion is a lie.
Nature is the truth.
Thats it for me.

Take care

Posted by: ovinesongs at December 17, 2005 6:28 PM