Indonesia is a Muslim country. There are still some Christians left in the South Moluccan Islands who refuse to embrace Islam and who war against Allah (swt). The Muslims in that country have every right to defend themselves against the assults of the unbelievers.

Allahu akbar

The BBC is saying that the Muslims are mad at the Christians because the Christians have good jobs and they don't.

Maybe the reason the Christians have good jobs is because they actually DO something besides sit in a madrassah and rant and rave about how much they hate everybody who isn't of their religion?

Uh, Reza,
Using your reasoning, we can do the same against our Muslim minority. We can start with Detroit. Yes? If not, why not? What's the difference?

jay

The difference is because they are Muslim, Jay. You see, Muslims can do whatever they like, no matter how immoral or unpeaceful, and it'll be "right". On the other hand everything that kufar do (except act like dhimmi slaves to Muslims) is "wrong."

Islam is Always Right.
Kuffardom is Always Wrong.

Don't you get it?

Susan-You beat me to it. Reza, you are as tiresome and pathetic as Hoodie. "Muslims have the right of self-defense against unbelievers???" I would love to know what these unbelievers do that is threatening. I know, ………they exist! Existence of "the other" is no permitted under Islam. We-e-ll, excuse me for breathing and for existing.

Guess what Reza, yee-haw. We aren't putting up or backing down. Cra-aa-k!

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2004/04/25/436388-ap.html

Here's more on the story. Apparently some Christians (oops, I mean second-class dhimmi slaves who don't understand that Muslims have a god-Given right to "subjugate" them) "started" the hostilities by having the nerve to march in a political parade. Wow, those Christians really did a terrible thing! I wouldn't be surprised if the UN decided to sanction them for that.

These days many Muslims feel justified in attacking ANYONE who is not a Muslim! Remember within Muslim law, Non Muslims cannot bring charges against a Muslim. So much for equal rights for everyone in the same country!

jihan

Reza,
You're full of it.
I have three words to say to you.
OPEN YOUR EYES.

Using Reza's unlogic, Buddhist Thailand could attack the muslim minority in the south for formenting violence.

yabba dabba akbar

Reza and Hoodie are prim examplies why there is no room in heaven for a Muslin. Islam is not a religion but a Cult of Devil Worshipers. The book was written by an insane old man that did not know the difference between me and Satan. He thought he was talking to me but if you read his book you will see that he was talking with Satan.

Allahu akbar

........LONG LIVE TO SHEYKH ....!!!...........

The Christians carried signs that proselytized for their false religion and attacked Islam. They displayed the symbols (crosses) of their false religion. They laid hands upon Muslims and destroyed and looted their property.

All of these things are forbidden and constitute the waging of war against Allah (swt) and his people. Believers have the right and, indeed, the obligation to fight against these unbelievers until they submit to the will of Allah (swt).

Allahu akbar

See Reza Dong: Even the great Allah admits Muhammed was a nutjob rapist, thief, murderer.....and that Islam is a death cult....now listen to your great Allah.....and denounce Islam....

The Christians carried signs that proselytized for their false religion and attacked Islam. They displayed the symbols (crosses) of their false religion.

Posted by Reza at April 26, 2004 03:46 PM

Reza, you have got to be THE dumbest person on the planet. Have you ever heard of Isa, or Esa? You ignoraums, you had better speak to your fellow cult leaders, for they claim that We all worship the same God, and that they too believed in Jesus Christ/ Isa.......

What an idiot.

Reza,
You're full of it.
I have three words to say to you.
OPEN YOUR EYES.

They carried signs? Well, that is certainly a reason to attack and kill them, because the religion of peace is too insecure to allow someone else to practice their religion. How typical that the same jihadi who whines for Muslim rights in western countries wants to kill every non-muslim just for trying to live.

Islam spread by the sword because that is the only way people would accept it. But live by the sword, die by the sword, as someone once said.

They say that they believe that Jesus was a phrophet not the Son of God. And you can tell by the Koran that Allah is not the God we know, more like Satan.

Dont believe them when they say we believe in the same god, cause we don't. If they believed in the Bible up until Abraham then they would know that Ishmaill is not the heir of the promised land, he was a bastard child.

Jesus was the Son of God, and to prove it he died and rose again as he promised.
Muhammod did nothing but chase around little girls to have sex with, then he married one at the age of six. He could not even get over seizures from a head injury, (where he got his dreams from, that then his nine year old wife translated and wrote into a book....the Koran).

They call us pink......then why was Muhammod blue? Could it have been a lack of oxegen to his brain......I believe this to be a professional observation.

I heard the Christians were upset because they were not allowed to ring the church bells on Sunday mornings.

The ringing of church bells is also against Allah's (swt) holy law. As I said above, such actions constitute the waging of war against Allah (swt). Until the unbelievers submit to the will of Allah (swt), all believers must fight against them.

Ongoing Jihad or not, Christianized Indonesians must remember not to instigate or rush into violent acts of retribution before considering other solutions regarding problems with their non-Christian neighbors. It cannot automatically be surmised that all violent conflicts in Maluku are perpetrated by Muslims--at least without hard evidence. Ten fatalities in a clash is not in and of itself evidence of jihadism (the possibility of one is not out of the question either). Christianity is not about gang warfare, which apparently is what triggered the ugly recent events in Ambon (and something Ambonese Christians have gotten involved in). Indonesian Christians must strive to be better Christians and realize that Christian beliefs are about getting away from tribalism and realizing one's own best self through civilized behavior--as for instance rejecting violence as a solution to social problems. Combat is a a last resort only. What transpired in Ambon recently was not the result of desperate Christians fighting off attackers (as far as I can tell).

Double standard alert: ringing churchbells in muslim countries earns you death. but the muslims cry discrimination if they can't give the call to prayer in USA.

Islam means never having to say you are sorry.

And they will get crushed in the process, Reza. Why? Because they never had any physical evidence to confirm that 1-) Allah exists 2-)that the law of Allah emanates from a divine source 3-)that Allah is good 4-)Allah isn't Satan 5-)that mahomet had seen anything at all 6-)that there is any legitimacy to anyuthing Muslims believe. For instance the koran states that at the last hours all the Jewish people of the world will hide behind trees and rocks as righteous, jihadizing muslims who are doing Allah's will and slaughtering them all--but the trees and rocks they hide behind will turn them in. Now Reza will you please show the world these talking trees and talking rocks! you know, Reza, the Koran is likely nothing more than a book. There is nothing certainly to indicate it possesses truths, it tells us the earth is flat,,,and is the earth flat?? NO.
The Koran is full of dictation. But it does not show WHY Allah the Arabian moon-god commands humans to behave as he compels them to.
But most suspect, why does islam predate the koran by 1500 years Reza? Why were the muslims of 1000 BC incinerating human beings alive? Why do mosques look like crematories? Because Islam dear reza is an ancient human sacrifice cult that wears its false teachings of Allah as a mask to cover this fact up. Yiu are a muslim reza for one reason only: to continue feeding human flesh to an imaginary snicker-snack, the Arabian moon-god. Have fun feeding human flesh to Allah, Reza.

L'orange,

I would say they've already reached the last resort (combat).

Phil Lucas' article (at Dhimmi Watch) puts muslim fanaticism into perspective...

"We could fill the newspaper every morning with mobs of fanatical Muslims. They can’t get along with their neighbors on much of the planet: France, Chechnya, Bosnia, Indonesia, Spain, Morocco, India, Tunisia, Somalia, etc. etc. etc. Can anybody name three ongoing world conflicts in which Muslims are not involved? Today, where there is war, there are fanatical Muslims. We might quibble about who started what conflicts, but look at the sheer number of them."

There can be no negotiation with these people. There can be no trust with these people. There can be no peace with these people. That doesn't leave many options.

It will not be long before the rampaging murderous muslim hordes of Ambon , will be doing the same in European countries where as in third world countries,they have outbred the local working population.
At the moment they are slitting the throats of a few Jews in france and the french are hiding these assaults under the banner of homicide.
When non jews start being killed they will have to reclassify these murders.

The Indian Hindus have long ago realised that it is IMPOSSIBLE to live in peace with a Muslim population.
they live an uneasy peace punctuate by bloody conflict.
We in the west arrogantly believe that we are more "civilised" and such horror will not happen her providing we appease the islamists.And worse we ignore the pain and plight of those who are being slaughtered NOW by Islam.
Because we cherish life and christianity teaches us to "love our enemies" etc we are paralysed and may be unable to defend ourselves.
Islam has no such restrictions on genocide.
Our left wing liberals will react by blaming our governments and lashing themselves with imperialist guilt arguments.
We still do not recognise that Islam is not a religion but an evil force whose aim is simply to conquer the world however long it takes.
At the moment the number of home bred Islamists in the UK who long for blood on the streets of The UK may be limited to the few followers of a few Imams who should have been deported years ago. But their numbers will surely rise dramatically in the next decade.
And there will be bloodbaths unless we act soon.
But
There is no country in the world where muslims are at peace with non muslim populations.
Only the Turks with their redoubtable huge armies have been able to contain the evils of Islamic fanataicism.

The original conflict had origins in the transmigration policies of the government whereby ethnic groups from more populous parts of Indonesia were settled in Maluku. This of course disturbed the local balance between Ambonese Muslims and Christians (more or less peaceful over the centuries)and conflicts about jobs, economic disenfranchisement etc became conflated with differences of religious opinion.

Another historic factor which exacerbated the situation was that many Ambonese Christians were far more 'europeanised' than their Indonesian compatriots, having been subjugated by the Dutch centuried before other parts of the archipelago. Many Ambonese served in the colonial army and indeed migrated to the Netherlands in the 1950s preferring to stay there rather than an independent Indonesia.

I make no comment about the question of 'jihad' and the conflict between Islam and the West that is the main subject of this site, except to say that sometimes it is all too easy to explain conflicts as simply being religious in nature when in fact religion may not be the determining factor.