For years it has been a central element of the SPLC/CAIR rap sheet on me that I’m an “extremist” for pointing out there is no reliable way to distinguish allies from jihadis among the Muslims we’re working with. Yet here again, the point is proven.
“Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know,” by Jessica McBride, Heavy, December 6, 2019:
Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani was identified as the active shooter armed with a handgun who killed three people and wounded eight more at the Pensacola Naval Air Station in Florida. Alshamrani was first named in a tweet from NBC News reporter Ken Dilanian.
According to the Associated Press, the gunman has been identified as a Saudi national. “He was in the aviation pipeline. He was training in aviation,” the base commander said in a news conference.
Authorities have not said whether they are considering the Pensacola shooting an act of terrorism; the AP reported that authorities are looking into whether that’s the case, though. According to the commander, who spoke at a news conference, the base hosts international students for flight training….
1. Alshamrani Was a 2nd Lieutenant in the Saudi Air Force & the Florida Governor Says the Saudi Arabian Government Now Owes a ‘Debt’ to the Victims
DeSantis said there are “a lot of questions about this individual being a foreign national, being a part of the Saudi Air Forece, and then to be training on our soil and then to do this.” He said authorities are investigating to try to answer all of those questions.
“The government of Saudi Arabia needs to make things better for these victims, and I think they’re going to owe a debt here, given that this is one of their individuals.”
The governor said that “obviously when you have a foreign national involved, you know, particularly in that part of the world, the investigation is going to be different than if it was somebody from a local community.”
According to the Associated Press, the suspect was “a Saudi aviation student.” CNN reported that the suspect was “a member of the Saudi Arabian military training at the station.” President Donald Trump tweeted that King Salman of Saudi Arabia “just called to express his sincere condolences and give his sympathies to the families and friends of the warriors who were killed and wounded in the attack that took place in Pensacola, Florida.”
Alshamrani was a “Saudi Air Force member,” NBC reported. The New York Times called him “Second Lt. Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani.” Metro UK reported that Alshamrani “was in the US learning how to fly American aircraft sold to the Saudi Arabian army.”….
keya says
All the naval stations in our country should refuse to admit any Saudi national in the future. No more deaths by Saudis.
Terry Gain says
That isn’t good enough. If there is a rational reason why any Muslim should be allowed to enter the country I have yet to hear it. Ex-Muslims can supply intelligence.
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed. There is NO good reason for allowing ANY Muslims to live in the U.S., or any other Western nation. And they damn-sure should not be serving in the military, or intelligence services, or on police forces.
Also, I agree with the idea of allowing carefully-vetted EX-Muslims serve in intelligence services, in capacities where their language skills & appearance, etc. can be useful in dealing with our Muslim enemies. But their access to sensitive information should be on a need-to-know basis, in case any of them turn out to be Muslims posing as former Muslims.
abad says
Agreed.
Moslems trying to enter the United States must be turned back. No exceptions whatsoever.
And…
Guess what.
There is NO reason for Moslems to come here, either. None.
James Lincoln says
Terry Gain,
Agree !!!
Muslims should not be allowed to enter the United States – period.
And the United States should deport all Muslims who can be legally deported.
Darlene W Hill says
I agree!!! Muslims are our enemies and therefore unwelcome!!!
Infidel says
+1
Keys says
+1
Wellington says
Here we agree. With the exception of diplomatic personnel, much as diplomatic Communist personnel were allowed into America during the Cold War (and understandably watched very closely), NO foreign Muslim should be allowed into the USA, ditto for Neo-Nazis, Antifa members, anarchists, etc.
The key lies not in disallowing Islam religious status (and even if this occurred it would still be legal in America as Communism and Nazism are), but rather in properly characterizing evil as evil, be it a secular ideology or a religious one. Once again, the Constitution is not a suicide pact and once again evil is evil REGARDLESS of it hiding behind a religious veil.
gravenimage says
Agree with all above–Muslims do not belong in the US or any other civilized nation.
Gottahavehope says
I totally agree! I do not understand why we cannot do what is necessary to protect our own!
Diego says
See the youtube talk “America vs Americans” by Leonard Peikoff for the answer. The short version is: a morality that idealizes self-sacrifice is incompatible with self-defense.
abad says
Which happens to be on a par with Ayn Rand and David Seabury’s philosophies on that exact same subject. Thanks for that Youtube video name.
abad says
Haha, I didn’t know he is affiliated with Ayn Rand Institute. Good deal!
underbed cat says
Agree with all these comments….however the threat is that our intelligence did or didn’t warn Trump against selling fighter jets to S. Arabia, we have operated under the suggestions of the MB who claim they do not exist, advise military, who determines when they act, they sent their soldiers here to learn to fly, this is insanity, but I believe or pray that this will end any conclusion that SA is not Islamic. Mohammed Bin Solomon had too convince the west otherwise, building a super city, by letting woman drive, opening movies threatres although that is debatable and loosening the tight gripe of sharia laws, it may be a strategic move to lessen our defenses and change the 9/11 legacy however it may just be another stage of deception or manifestation of an identity to ease into the United States with no border, until they conquer. Why couldn’t the sheriff say this shooter’s name and country of origin? After 9/11 Saudi military I think has visited many bases since they were very close to one in the midwest and I think are part of Nato they have carte blanc flying into the U.S.. then we get into diversity. That had to happen first before any conquest is done, so we are either going to change to never hosting our enemy or be taken.
StacyGirl says
We have been selling jet fighters and weapon systems to the Saudis for decades, with handsome profits. Some of the training is done at BAFB in the kingdom. The logic is “if we don’t Russia will.” We have oil and don’t need SA. They need us. The Saudi people are Muslim and Muslims cannot be trusted.
Frank Cayenne says
I hope they haven’t released or buried the body of the shooter
John Lloyd Scharf says
Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani HAD MUHAMMAD AS HIS MODEL! No Muhammadan can be vetted as secure. Muhammad lied to, betrayed, blackmailed, kidnapped, enslaved, tortured, raped, robbed, and murdered unarmed men, women, and children claiming the favor of Allah. Muhammad made the murder of Kufr a sacrament.
During the Holocaust these ones would have been, and were pointing out residences of Jews, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Pagans,, and gays.
Tom W Harris says
Remember, folks…Muslims are not a danger, they’re in danger, haw haw haw
Daniel Triplett says
You’d think we’d reach a point where enough would be enough, and we’d put 2 and 2 together. Yet 1400 years later, we’re still scratching our heads as to why these things keep happening.
Sad.
It’s time to begin seriously discussing solutions.
Keys says
Exactly !
Westman says
I’m guessing that it was a “suicide by Kafir” due to some depression like washing out, demoted, dumped by a girl, or, committing some serious “sin” in Islam and choosing the quick martyr’s escape route to Jannah. Do Muslims ever commit suicide in a kufar nation without taking unbelievers with them?
Of course, he just might have been angry with someone, but that seems only half a story since he would know escape was impossible while inside a military base. He made the decision to die and it certainly had a motive.
StacyGirl says
The message he left on Twitter blames US support for Israel. Motive: Muslim.
Daniel Triplett says
Yes, he died in jihad while killing unbelievers. He’s guaranteed the highest place in paradise, and 100 of his relatives are guaranteed to have their sins absolved and gain entry to paradise too.
Perhaps we should remove the blindfold and study our enemy. A good place to start would be to read the Koran and Sunnah, and any one of the dozen+ easy to read informative books Robert Spencer has authored on the threat.
PRCS says
Step 1. An honest, national discussion concerning those of Islam’s ACTUAL teachings which–if practiced–would violate U.S. law.
Chapter and verse vs relevant U.S. law.
The public is still being buffaloed by the unending ‘yes it does/no it doesn’t) interpretations of Qur’an and sunna.
Daniel Triplett says
Excellent! I totally agree.
tim gallagher says
I couldn’t agree more, Daniel. I am often puzzled that so many people in our societies still haven’t got it when it comes to Islam. I also think almost all people should have said by now, yep, enough is enough of this evil garbage from Islam and banned any Muslim migration. Plenty of people do get it, but I truly can’t believe how many people in our western societies still make apologies for Islam and still say that islam deserves respect or, even more unbelievably, say that islam is peaceful. How unbelievably foolish some people are. But, with every Muslim attack I believe more and more people are finally waking up. I understand that the USA is free of the need for Muslim oil, so it could tell the Muslim countries to get lost. I’ve often thought that, for other countries, (such as Australia where I live) if we banned Muslim migration, the Muslim oil exporters might stop selling us oil. I googled “does China get is oil from Middle East countries?” since China is treating Muslims ferociously. But, in 2018, China still got 12.5% from Saudi Arabia, 9.4% from Iraq, 7.2% from Oman and 6.3% from Iran, so I guess the Muslims will still sell oil to countries that get really tough with Islam. China got 16% of its oil from Russia.
PRCS says
The “islam deserves respect” part should receive the loudest pushback–IMO.
PRCS says
Just saw this:
“Montreal Cop is suspended 15 days for telling a muslim who was using his prayer time to talk his way out of a ticket – “I don’t care about your prayers””
‘I don’t care about your prayers’: Montreal cop suspended 15 days for insulting Muslim man
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/i-don-t-care-about-your-prayers-montreal-cop-suspended-15-days-for-insulting-muslim-man-1.4713446
tim gallagher says
Yes, I believe this vile religious ideology deserves no respect whatsoever, PRCS. It is full of so much evil and barbarous content. But, there you go, with that incident you mention in Montreal. The policeman supposedly “insults” the Muslim and doesn’t show enough “respect” for a Muslim and gets suspended. Bloody hopeless this caving in to Islam..
PRCS says
Yes, I agree.
Daniel Triplett says
Tim, we’re not required to tolerate peoples and ideologies who pursue our extermination. Stay strong Brother.
Lauren Hermann says
So true, Daniel! The solution could have been so simple–don’t let them immigrate to the US. Just say “No.” We seem to be like the Clampett family on the old sit-com “The Beverly Hillbillies”. Every time the door bell would ring, the family would wonder what was making that noise. And right afterwards, someone would knock on the door. They never figured out that the 2 actions were related.
My sad conclusion (and I have posted the following comment many, many times before):
If 9/11 didn’t wake up Americans, nothing will.
Debra says
CAIR pressured the US Army War College to cancel a presentation this year by Raymond Ibrahim about the subversive tactics of Islam. THIS IS NOTHING LESS THAN WILLFUL IGNORANCE FROM THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF THE US GOVERNMENT.
PRCS says
Yes, that was a disgusting situation.
gravenimage says
Yes–willful stupidity.
Christopher Watson says
“Cair pressured the US Army War College to cancel a presentation..about the subversive tactics of Islam?” Ha, ha, ha…I’m laughing too much. I suppose next you’ll be telling us that during the cold war a USSR General told you where to put your tanks. Who exactly is running the US Army? Mickey Mouse?
PRCS says
Upper level civilians.
AP says
Who cares what Cair wants or wishes, they are the enemy.
Hugh Fitzgerald says
Had he been in the cockpit of a plane, flying over America, think what mass murder and mayhem he might have accomplished.
Will the Saudis pay the families of those killed and to the wounded? Millions, please.
R Cole says
That’s what’s I’m thinking.
Sure they wouldn’t let him fly a jet on his own. Or would they??
Spiro says
Yes they would
PRCS says
He was training as a navigator. Not as a pilot.
yohanan says
Combat navigators are also pilots. PRCS. Some fighters can be flown from the 2nd seat.
gravenimage says
Our military should *not* be training Muslims.
PRCS says
Name the current aircraft in which the 2nd seater is the PIC.
underbed cat says
They S.A. military flew into Las Vegas, stayed 28 days,rented out entire hotel flew out and 2 days later we were attacked. Something very telling about that situation. 2 mosques built in the town the shooter drove back and forth from, along with travels abroad. That shows our ignorance. That hotel changed it’s name.
Westman says
Will we ever know if the Saudis send “pay for slay” to Alshamrani’s family?
Infidel says
The US should read Saudi Arabia the riot act and tell them that if they don’t pay up, the sealed parts of the 9/11 report (that spell out Saudi involvement in those attacks) will be opened up and the families would be allowed to sue the Saudis. Also, a threat to withdraw all military support should accompany that.
It’ll be fun to see if the Saudis think the Russians can cover the deficit, given their deals w/ both Iran and Turkey
abad says
Precisely why now is the best time to sever all relations with Saudi Arabia.
The Saudis are on their own.
gravenimage says
Agreed, abad. These vicious thugs are *not* our allies.
tgusa says
The election of President Trump has turned over a rock, or more precisely, a pile of rocks, and what has crawled out from underneath is hateful and disgusting. Enemies, foreign and domestic appear to have united and have been hard at work in the destruction of the Republic. It is almost too much to comprehend but it is what it is.
underbed cat says
Yes, Yes. It is too much too comprehend. We cannot submit.We have to be smarter.
tgusa says
We are smarter, by a country mile. The trouble is the powers that be think we are dumb. And that is a huge mistake.
“There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent.”
Lao Tzu
Terry Gain says
The powers that be are dumb. They think Islam is a legitimate religion. Islam cannot be both a conquest deology and a legitimate religion
Islam is at war with.western civilization. Our elites need to pick our side or we need new elites.
gravenimage says
Terry, you have never said why you think that Winston Churchill and Robert Spencer are “dumb” for considering Islam to be an evil religion.
pennant8 says
Lets hope that we don’t have another clueless officer such as General Casey who after the Fort Hood killings expressed his worry that the incident might have a bad effect on our diversity programs. BTW, we have some troops stationed in Saudi Arabia. I’m sure that will complicate this incident in some way.
gravenimage says
True.
Sylvia Maresca says
Doesn’t Saudi Arabia have airspace of it’s own? Let them train there! And this goes for training the Afghan Army and all other Muslim nations. Geez,miles and miles of desert in those countries,use it as training grounds!
abad says
Saudi Arabia has a tremendous amount of airspace, right over Rub’ al Khali Desert in the southern part of the country, and An Nafud in the northern part. And guess where their main airport is?
Yep, in Riyadh – King Khalid International Airport – smack dab in the middle of Saudi Arabia.
Therefore there is NO reason Saudis should be coming to the USA for flying lessons. None.
Sylvia Maresca says
Have them train in their own countries
Michael Copeland says
Muslim roulette (Raymond Ibrahim’s term).
The kafir is the enemy of the muslim.
Here is a Saudi government ruling, or fatwa:
“It is not right for a Muslim to support the unbelievers, or to ask them to support him against his enemies, they are the enemy, do not trust them … Muslims should not be recruited into their Army, whether they are Arabs or non-Arabs, because the unbeliever is the enemy of the believer.”
https://clarionproject.org/islamist-village-slated-texas-revenue-goals-1-millionyr/
Jack Holan says
In the case of proven terrorists only, we should not retun the bodies of the terrorists to parents or families. We should disrespect their corpse As a sign of loathing them and their kind & feed their remains to pigs. Just as they use many facets of war agaignst us its time we do the same
JHL says
Were not the 9/11 muslims from Saudi? This is, or was, just another potential jihadist. When will the government and news media learn???
pennant8 says
One of the reasons why there were so many Saudi’s in the hijacking crews is that Bin Laden knew that Saudi’s were the easiest to get visa’s for travel to the US compared to other recruits from various other Islamic countries.
gravenimage says
Most of them were.
abad says
Lest we forget that the 9-11 hijackers received their flight training at the Venice Municipal Airport here in Florida – NO, we need to prohibit Moslems from other countries from coming here and taking flying lessons.
I hope President Trump does something about this.
Wellington says
Yep, a Saudi at an aviation school in America—what possibly could go wrong?
Wellington says
Oh yeah, just wanted to add that Islam stinks—from its reputed psychopathic, narcissistic founder, to its chief holy book which is a hate manual, to its fictional Allah. Rotten all around.
More than 18 years after 9/11 and still so many have not figured out what is not at all that difficult to figure out. No excuse for this. None.
underbed cat says
So why are we training physics, and chemistry students. By the way wasn;t Epstein a physics teacher.?
Wellington says
I would like to see foreign students from ANY non-free nation severely or completely restricted from attending American universities. Such people and nations get far more out of the present system than America does, especially over the past several decades since a multitude of American faculty members trash their own country before these foreign students.
I’ll go even further and it is this: No aid (except some short-term kind of humanitarian aid) should be sent to any non-free nation. Would this entail some risk because sometimes you need a non-free nation as an ally (e.g., Stalin’s Russia during WWII)? Yes, but I am willing to take this risk in the name of freedom and there always could be made a very rare exception when exigent circumstances of the highest degree exist.
Hell, what do we have to lose considering how matters are going now? I mean how much worse could it get?
gravenimage says
Yep, a Saudi at an aviation school in America—what possibly could go wrong?
……………..
+1
Infidel says
Precisely! I don’t agree that it’s necessary to protect Saudi Arabia from Yemen’s Houthis, but even assuming that it is, I don’t see why those Saudis can’t be trained in KSA itself. There is no reason to bring them here
PRCS says
As yet, I don’t know if he was shooting at ‘filthy kafir’ or other Muslims.
gravenimage says
Uh…right. Because the place with the most Muslims are American military bases…
PRCS says
So, as he wasn’t the ONLY Muslim student there, who DID he shoot?
And why?
Pissed off because his fellow Muslims didn’t ‘fight in the way of Allah)?
Who knows, yet.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2001/11/the-crash-of-egyptair-990/302332/
gravenimage says
Muslims do not typically target American military bases because they hate their own coreligionists.
The Jihadist ranted about “crimes against Muslims”–so why would he be targeting Muslims? I’m afraid this makes no sense.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/12/pensacola-jihadi-ranted-about-crimes-against-muslims-investigators-trying-to-determine-if-he-had-religious-motive
PRCS says
As you said: typically.
Sunni-vs-Shi’a-vs-Ahmadiyya-vs—-
Anything is possible.
gravenimage says
Why would he talk about “crimes against Muslims” if he was targeting other Muslims himself?
underbed cat says
There was another such incident on a base in Hawaii, also a crash of a Minneapolis military Navy helicopter within 24 hours. Our soldiers need to get out of the ME safely until this is resolved and addressed. Just another thought, was this soldier angry the purchased, fighter jets would be used on the soldiers of Islam. It seems that could be a problem and revenge for Bagdadi. Do jihadist care about secular leaders no, but they do about religious leaders.
gravenimage says
Do you have links, underbed cat? I can find nothing about an attack at a military base in Hawaii.
Jeff Allen says
Hope this helps:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-reported-pearl-harbor-naval-shipyard/story?id=67506641
gravenimage says
Thank you, Jeff.
Ricardo says
EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD SEND PROTEST SIGNALS TO OUR PRESIDENT. A B O L I S H
CAIR AND SPLC AND MB; THEY ARE THE ENEMY. W A K E U P
CAIR STOPPED WAR COLLEGE FROM HAVING ANTI-MUSLIM SCHOLAR SPEAK. THIS IS AMERICA, NOT A MUSLIM COUNTRY. THIS POLITICALLY CORRECT CRAP BY ANY GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL IS TREASON AND PURE BULL SHIT
WE DO NOT OWE CAIR, SPLC, MB, AND ALL THEIR TAX EXEMPT ORGANIZATIONS A DAMN THING
IN FACT, THEY OWE US, FOR ALLOWING THEM TO BE HERE
Josephine says
it is impossible to deprogram a muslim as they are brainwashed from birth with wahobby and other forms of islam which is pure hate. then this saudi arabian jerk kills our people, why; because that is what he was programmed to do. get the mfers off our bases, out of our country NOW, no excuses, just do it
Beneath the Veil of Consciousness says
We can start by disallowing any mosques. If other religions are outlawed or persecuted under Islamic rule then they should at least lose their right to build their monuments to the maniac they worship.
Diego says
Wars are won with bombs–not with walls or immigration restrictions. Tell your Congressmen to stop the turn the other cheek policy and to do whatever is necessary to obliterate jihadists and their sponsoring regimes (especially Iran and Saudi Arabia)–all while minimizing risks to our soldiers.
JHL says
And the media and police aren’t sure if it’s terrorist related. Wow. What airheads.
Flavius Claudius Iulianus says
Don’t dance with the devil!
Why do some Western nations continue to pretend they can have normal relationships with nations from the Dar al Islam?
tgusa says
A subconscious death wish?
Kate R. says
Basically the West no longer has the will to survive. Everybody pays homage to Islam believing it will always be someone else who gets killed.
God rest the souls of our warriors and may He comfort their families and communities.
tgusa says
Not all. There are a lot of western warriors who have yet to be unleashed because they are surrounded and chained by their own and the enemy. But give it time, never lose hope.
To quote the great US Marine General, Lewis B. “Chesty” Puller,
“We’re surrounded. That simplifies the problem.”
“They are in front of us, behind us, and we are flanked on both sides by an enemy that outnumbers us 29:1. They can’t get away from us now!”
No Muzzies Here says
Why does our government treat Saudi Arabia as a trusted friend? It is not. It sponsors the spread of Islam.
PRCS says
One aspect of that:
If we don’t sell weapons systems to them others will.
Linde Barrera says
May the innocent deceased victims Rest In Peace with Jesus Christ, God Incarnate, and may Jesus give comfort to the victims’ families.
I feel terrible that this happened, and I hope those dopey US politicians and their US business associates do not allow this scenario to occur again, at least not on US soil.
peter says
US has been in bed Saudis for many many years for money ! Once the oil money runs out all the media and govt officials who keep singing the Saudi praise will make eloquent speeches as to why America has to distance itself from the Islamic terrorist regime of Saudis . Money is the source of all evil Left wing media and politicians are part of this big conspiracy of silence!