He was ordered expelled from Hungary after being caught with forged documents on December 30, but he was detained on Friday, so clearly he didn’t leave after he was expelled. Also he seems to have moved freely around Europe for quite some time. His story is evidence that European authorities are overwhelmed and cannot deal adequately with the Muslim migrant crisis they have inflicted upon themselves.
“Hungary detains Syrian Islamic State member accused of killings,” Reuters, March 22, 2019 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
BUDAPEST (Reuters) – Hungarian authorities detained a Syrian man on Friday accused of taking part in beheadings in Syria as a member of Islamic State, Budapest prosecutors and the European judicial co-operation agency Eurojust said.
The 27-year-old man, identified by Hungarian authorities as F. Hassan, is suspected of executing about 20 people in 2016, all family members of a person in Homs city who refused to join Islamic State, Hungarian prosecutors said….
The suspect had refugee status in Greece, it said.
He was caught with forged documents in Budapest’s main airport on Dec. 30 last year, given a suspended prison sentence for human trafficking and other crimes, and ordered expelled from Hungary, Hungarian authorities said.
Prior to his arrival in Hungary, the suspect had visited a number of other European countries, Hungary’s Counter Terrorism Centre said.
CRUSADER says
The World needs to listen to Sebastian Gorka….
TexanForever Thompson says
But not on FOX. Word is that he’s been booted.
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gravenimage says
I’m pretty sure I saw him on Hannity’s show last night.
Buraq says
Islamic Jihad Job seeker CV: ‘Have sword, will travel.’
Clown!
keith Oades says
Yep. The question/problem is,,,,,how many more like him are running around creating sleeper cells?
elee says
+1!
Mac-101 says
And surely he will git a Nurnberg style trial for Crimes Against Humanity and mass murder? If the Hungarians don’t do it, ALL is LOST!
James Lincoln says
Mac-101,
There is no way that Hungary will put up with F. Hassan – now that they know what he is all about.
He will be dealt with properly.
Mac-101 says
Anything less than deportation to Syria is a miscarriage of Justice!
J D.S says
He should be tried in some military court then smartly executed by a military firing squad.
Mac-101 says
JDS, beheaded would be more appropriately in the same manner he murdered those poor people!
Frank Anderson says
Mac, I admire the direct approach. Do you think either method is too quick and gives the imaginary benefits of dying for the cause? Consider a lifetime with ball and chain at hard labor?
Mac-101 says
Frank, I have to disagree with you. Many of the mass murderers/Political Tyrants were locked up several times before they gained total power and murdered millions. Besides the millions to keep these scum can be put to better use.
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I know, it cost less to keep them than execute them. Wait till after the 2020 elections and the Globalist NWO Pigs take complete control. The price of eradicating millions will be negligible Once these Progressives gain Total Power. THEY always murder Millions!
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These scum are cockroaches and should be squashed and forgotten about. As for a firing squad, much to ceremonial, a hangin is more in line what these scum deserve!
Frank Anderson says
Mac, you have very good reasons to disagree, Joseph Stalin, Adolph Hitler, Mohammed Atta (the 9/11 mastermind in an Israeli prison that WJC strongarmed release in the “oslo accords”). All were at one time in prison and then released for global disasters. But, something slow, and satisfying. . . .? Maybe a call to General Pershing in the Philippines?.
Mac-101 says
Frank, My first reaction is like you say. However lethal injection by massive amounts of Pig Semen would undoubtedly be declared unconstitutional followed by burial at see in a sealed Stainless Steel container full of the corpse and Pig excrement!
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Some claim that the story about Black Jack Pershing burring Moro with dead pigs is a fable. I do NOT know. In fact Trump told it and he was declared by the Media to be lyin again. But I know I read the accounts in the MSM before, and we ALL KNOW the MSM lies. LOL!
D guha roy says
Europe and asia is in danger of this mental disorder sick islamic religious people.
Frank Anderson says
D, please consider my thoughts. To take this evil teaching and practice as sick is also to admit and hold it absolutely outside the reach of legal restraint or punishment. Generally anyone who cannot understand that what he is doing is wrong, or does not have the ability to control his criminal impulses is not subject to legal punishment, at least in the US and with the weak enforcement of law elsewhere, almost certainly there too. Evil is not always done by people who are legally responsible, but to dismiss all islam and its teaching and practice for 1400 years, killing as many as 1,000,000,000 people in that time and rising daily, as sick is to let it run unchallenged.
Islam defies all human law. It recognizes no duty whatever to kafirs, a word of highest insult describing all non-muslims. Any promise made to a kafir is meaningless, including any concept of tolerance or mercy. Whenever a muslim can obtain advantage over a kafir he is taught to lie, cheat and steal. Please consider and read further to make up your own mind whether evil is sick or just plain evil.
elee says
I applaud your post. Men should be held accountable for their actions. This should include enforceable criminal and civil liability for those who counsel procure solicit advise and abet violent criminal acts, including if applicable your local imam and all the “charitable foundations” between his collection plate and the murderers.
Jay says
I am surprised this happened in Hungary! They have quite a strict immigration policy compared to
the rest of Europe! This person is certainly a terrorist by any standards with an extensive record, he
should have been jailed immediately! Very hard to comprehend this scenario??
nicu says
So he will come to germany – you may not deport them if their life is in danger – for comitting crimes ! Sick , but true !
J_not_a says
Send the sick bastard to New Zealand, they’ll hold a parade for him!
Frank Anderson says
J, please do not compare bastards with this vile excuse of an animal.
A bastard is a child born out of wedlock. He has no choice of his status at birth. A number of bastards have rendered great service to society, including William the Conqueror, aka Bill the Bastard.
When I was born, before Roe v. Wade, about 25 percent of the births resulted in sealed adoptions, including mine. Even with birth control and abortion today, a substantial portion of births are out of wedlock, in some demographic groups greater than 50 percent.
So why pick on me and many of the people you know, and almost a statistical certainty members of your own family?
gravenimage says
Frank, I don’t think that J_not_a was picking on children born out of wedlock–she was using the term “bastard” more in the sense of “a vicious, despicable, or thoroughly disliked person”.
By the way, I am technically a bastard myself. My parents did not marry until after after I was born.
Frank Anderson says
GI, I do not think there is any excuse to continue tolerating the dual use of the word bastard.
Being a bastard is a legal fact. It has long passed being useful as an insult. People who continue using it as an insult show themselves to be thoughtless, ignorant, insensitive and unworthy. When easily a quarter of all people are legal bastards, including ancestors, another word should be used for mindless, murdering thugs. The people who throw the word bastard around like it is a harmless brush upon real bastards’ skin are just as mindless and useless as the people they pretend to insult. Momentarily I will repeat my post from 9/18/18 for more detail. Another insult should be found and used and we bastards left in peace.
gravenimage says
Frank, I do understand and respect your upset over the use of this word–though personally I do not share it unless it is being deliberately used against those innocently born out of wedlock, which is clearly not the case here.
But one thing I have to–with all respect–take issue with is this:
The people who throw the word bastard around like it is a harmless brush upon real bastards’ skin are just as mindless and useless as the people they pretend to insult.
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Frank, J_not_a is a thoroughly decent person, and an absolutely staunch Anti-Jihadist. Even if she was arguably somewhat thoughtless here in her use of phrasing, to say she is no better than a murdering Jihadist who *beheaded twenty people* is not something I can agree with.
Frank Anderson says
GI, then why does she throw insults at people who have NOTHING to do with the conduct of which she complains? Find another insult that does not attack many of the readers and writers here and actually addresses the target. If “she” is all that smart and devoted, she should be able to do a lot better without blowing in our faces.
James Lincoln says
Agree, Frank.
Proper use of language is important. That being said, I doubt that “J_not_a” was purposely trying to offend anyone other than F. Hassan…
Frank Anderson says
James, what this ignorant person meant has nothing to do with the harm he does. A bomber who brings down an airplane in order to kill one person not intending to kill all the others, still kills them. The “intended” target of this comment will NEVER know of it or care NOTHING if he learns. I explain this in a page I wrote and saved to remind people to think about their words.
What is a Bastard? A bastard is a child born out of wedlock. The condition of being a bastard is called Bastardy. William the Conqueror who had a notable and revered role in the United Kingdom in 1066 was also known as “Bill the Bastard”. You are trying to insult a terrorist by comparing him to the founder of today’s Common Law system.
In non-muslim countries, particularly in the US, calling someone a bastard is treated in the law as “slander (spoken) or libel (written) per se”. That means actual damages are presumed in favor of the person falsely accused, as in cases falsely claiming insanity or criminal conduct. That opens the award of both whatever actual damages can be shown in addition to punitive damages, attorney fees and litigation expenses.
If a person is a bastard calling him one is not slander or libel. But birth and adoption records show approximately 25 percent of births, even today with birth control and abortions, are out of wedlock. Some demographic groups have births out of wedlock over 50 percent of the time. That should indicate that more or less 25 percent, 1 in 4 people reading here, are bastards; and you are safe from defamation claims in calling them bastards at least 25 percent of the time. Every person reading here is a bastard, has a bastard in his lineage or family, knows at least one as a statistical certainty, or all.
Under “black is white” “evil is good” islam there are so many ways outside of what non-muslims consider wedlock for children to be conceived, Polygamy, Concubines, Rape, Slavery, Child Molestation, that the whole concept of bastard as an insult to a muslim is meaningless. You might as well call them muslims. To many muslims a child is only another weapon/martyr for war against non-believers. They don’t care how they got here-only what martyrdom benefits they can provide. To top it off few muslims read here.
You PRETEND to insult muslims. You INTEND to insult bastards. So, for totally ineffective insults to the PRETENDED not INTENDED target, every person reading here is treated with ignorance, thoughtlessness, mindlessness, discourtesy, lack of respect, indifference, lack of imagination and rotten, illiterate, uneducated, crude, unwashed vocabulary displaying contempt, with no impact whatever on the pretended target.
Unless you are a bastard and admit it you have no place even trying to defend this conduct. Find another insult. I think there are very few insults any of us could write that muslims would take as insults, except possibly Jew, Christian, Pagan, Infidel, Apostate, Dog, Pig, . . .? What you and I take as insults they take with pride. Words, like elections, have consequences.
James Lincoln says
I stand corrected, Frank.
alex says
I have to agree that the word “bastard” is not longer acceptable, nor is it right to call someone a “son of a bitch”, because it assumes that the person’s mother is a bad person, though that might not be the case at all (apparently, Brenton Tarrant’s mom is a decent, respectable lady by all accounts so far). People may not mean such insults literally, but they are still wrongfully hurtful, and not just to their targets. For Islamist terrorists like the one in the article, “low-down thugs,” or “vile pigs” might be appropriate (but even then, one might emphasize that pigs are actually quite noble and intelligent compared to the vicious, murdering, jihadist savages).
Crusades Were Right says
William the Conqueror “rendered great service to society”? Please explain.
Frank Anderson says
William the Conqueror among other things is considered the founder of the Common Law system which is found in many countries worldwide. While written law existed before Bill, the distinguishing feature is the accumulation of written court decisions which later serve as precedents in future cases. However, the ultimate wisdom of the system comes from its ability to accept that a prior case may have missed something, or a need or exception called for a change or modification of a rule rather than mindless following to produce injustice. A better and more complete discussion might start with searching the term Stare Decisis.
Bill was tired of losing his knights and nobles to trials by combat when decisions were required. If they were going to be maimed or killed, it would be for his combat needs instead of their personal feuds. “The King can do no wrong!”
J_not_a says
I can’t frigging believe this whole conversation was completely derailed by some cupcake named “Frank”
Frank Anderson says
J. In my case an accident of birth. In yours wholly a matter of choice. ignorance, stupidity, arrogance, pomposity, lack of education or skill with words. You are the best example of someone who is devoid of language or reason that I have seen. You remind me of someone who posted here many months ago who always said “It makes me want to. . . ” referring to some bodily reaction, regardless of the story. Now you chime in with your nonsense and massive discourtesy to MANY people who read and write here. Are you that same person using a different name? Disgusting behavior in the presence of decent people.
gravenimage says
Hungary: Muslim “refugee” discovered to have beheaded 20 people for the Islamic State
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That pretty much says it all.
Hugh Fitzgerald says
Why was he given a suspended sentence for human trafficking? And now what will happen to him? Can he be sent back to Syria to be properly dealt with — Bashar al-Assad has his uses — or is there some idiotic law that would prevent that? And has he been receiving benefits from Greece, Hungary, or any other European country?
PRCS says
Maybe multiple countries. Simultaneously.
tim gallagher says
If this man was actually responsible for beheading many people, Hugh, he has certainly been treated with ridiculous leniency. I suppose the problem is getting reliable evidence that would be acceptable in a western country, when the crimes were committed in the chaos of some area where ISIS held power. It seems like he got off the human trafficking charge. It is extremely worrying how many people like this may be wandering around in Europe. I can see why Hungary, which I don’t think wants to put up with any Muslim invaders (“refugees”) would just want to throw him out. They probably think, hey, you idiotic western European countries who want to accept Muslims and who let this guy in, you take this creep, we want nothing to do with people like this. You let him in, he’s your problem. I think the policies of Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Poland are the right approach to the Muslim invasion.
Max says
Merkel is the gift to Muslims that keeps on giving.
Ren says
Deportation.
Wellington says
On arguably the most expansive issue here, Islam reveals itself again as a burden to mankind as no other major faith remotely does.
The great parasite among the religions of the world is Islam. Pretending otherwise is demonstrative of either ignorance or mendacity.
I despise Islam. Everyone with any sense in them should. It serves no good purpose that other major religious belief systems cannot supply and yet it voluminously serves many ill purposes that other major religious belief systems rarely if ever supply.
In short, Islam is at best redundant; at worst, simply wretched.
CRUSADER says
There’s always this word to use:
BASTERD….
…as in Inglorious….
What does one do with an ideological fanatic…who “refuses”?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isVwqPyxLM8
Frank Anderson says
Changing the letter does not hide or redirect the meaning and the general insult to those who are NOT involved. I have read NOTHING in the nearly 25 books, including fundamental texts, where muslims have any concern for the official wedlock status preceding their birth. Find another insult. Good Movie, Lousy Title.
abad says
Am I the only person getting tired of the “Syrian Refugees”(TM) excuse?
gravenimage says
Nope.
na says
In 2010 Muslim poster boy was ,
RAGE BOY A.K.A .skakeel ahmad bhat . THE POSTER BOY OF ISLAM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakeel_Ahmad_Bhat
“He was born into a Sufi family in Kashmir, India. He claims that, around 1990, during a raid on his home”
In 2015 it was Ajim Chaudary and Jihadi John
Now it is Erdogan . He is tweeTing for ISIS and he is a self proclaimed poster boy
Many of them have still fear about the backlash of Newzealand shooting
J_not_a says
I don’t give a shit if this idiot cupcake Frank is triggered by the word bastard but if so he needs to get into therapy because this world is a cold cruel place and he needs to learn to deal.
J_not_a says
Get over yourself Frank, asshole. Ooooh, what are you gonna come up with to be offended by, now idiot? Please. Grow a hide and some balls.
J_not_a says
You know what when someone like frank the weenie gets overly sensitive and hijacks a column to make it all about them it really shows you all you need to know about them – complete narcissistic trash.
Frank Anderson says
J?, if you wish to see a narcissist, you have only to look in a mirror if it doesn’t explode in your face. Psychologists, Psychiatrists, Lawyers have all hired me to represent them. I think your estimate is not consistent with my results. Get help.
gravenimage says
Look, you are both Anti-Jihadists.
This story is about a Jihadist thug in the civilized world who *beheaded twenty people* and represents a horrifying threat to us all. There are, also, likely many more just like him.
This is, in my opinion, *far* more important than minor points of phrasing.
Frank Anderson says
GI, if all it takes to be acceptable as an anti-jihadist is mindless insults directed at other anti-jihadists instead of actual jihadists, the anti-jihadists will fail. AS IN OTHER COMBAT you don’t shoot at your own side. If your fire is hitting your own side and not hitting the “other” side you are harming your cause. How many wars and other campaigns have failed because of internal bickering and disrespect? Can we afford for ours to fail?
CRUSADER says
Agreed, there is more to this whole consideration than such minor points of phrasing.
That being said, here is quite the set of definitions at hand via dictionary, please note in particular the order and the specific meanings attributed accordingly:
bas·tard
/ˈbastərd/Submit
noun
noun: bastard; plural noun: bastards
1.
INFORMAL
an unpleasant or despicable person.
“he lied to me, the bastard!”
synonyms: scoundrel, villain, rogue, rascal, brute, animal, weasel, snake, monster, ogre, wretch, devil, good-for-nothing, reprobate, wrongdoer, evil-doer; More
INFORMAL•BRITISH
a person of a specified kind.
“he was a lucky bastard”
INFORMAL•BRITISH
a difficult or awkward undertaking, situation, or device.
“it’s been a bastard of a week”
2.
ARCHAIC•DEROGATORY
a person born of parents not married to each other.
synonyms: illegitimate child, child born out of wedlock; More
adjective
adjective: bastard
1.
(of a thing) no longer in its pure or original form; debased.
“a bastard Darwinism”
synonyms: hybrid, alloyed; More
(of a handwriting script or typeface) showing a mixture of different styles.
2.
ARCHAIC•DEROGATORY
born of parents not married to each other; illegitimate.
“a bastard child”
synonyms: illegitimate, born out of wedlock; archaicnatural
“a bastard child”
Origin
Middle English: via Old French from medieval Latin bastardus, probably from bastum ‘packsaddle’; compare with Old French fils de bast, ‘packsaddle son’ (i.e. the son of a mule driver who uses a packsaddle for a pillow and is gone by morning).
Westman says
There are so many words and so little time. May I suggest a discussion of the word “bugger” to inflame the passions and reduce today’s productivity? 😉
gravenimage says
Frank, J_not_a has a long posting history here. The idea that she just insults Anti-Jihadists is quite mistaken.
I am, God knows, not always successful. but I do try to set aside differences of style in the larger fight against Jihad.
Davegreybeard says
Aye!! Frankie! Please do get over yourself – cupcake!
CRUSADER says
Let’s just settle this:
Dhimmies are Dastards.
John Allan says
‘… suspected of executing about 20 people in 2016, all family members of a person in Homs city who refused to join Islamic State, Hungarian prosecutors said… The suspect had refugee status in Greece, it said.’
A refugee? With that pedigree? Greece needs to look at its idea of what constitutes a refugee.
gravenimage says
Agreed, John.
Kerry Wade says
Why be concerned with deportation of these murderous barbarians? Pass the right law if need be and execute all such murderers, including terrorist suspects and their family, period. Seems harsh, but it will, in the long run, save many more lives.
Frank Anderson says
K.W. I think you understand the situation.
Gamzu says
Frank, you might be interested to know that you’re likely not a bastard by Biblical law. A bastard (mamzer) was someone born from a union where the two partners would not be allowed to marry even if they wanted to, e.g, an incestuous union or one between a married woman and someone not her husband. A married man, on the other hand, could produce a baby with a single woman and the child would not be a bastard, because a man could have more than one wife. Even though the two were not married to each other, they could legally be married, so the baby is not a bastard. A baby born to two single people is not a bastard unless the two are very close relatives.
Frank Anderson says
Gamzu, you are a prince worthy of highest praise for knowing the error in Deut 23:2 of the King James translation. I read the whole Bible cover to cover 3 times in 1972-3 and knew that passage long before I found out my birth details in 1988. In 1992 I was invited to a Reform congregation and was inspired by what I heard for the first time after a lifetime of various Christian communities. More or less 1998, Deut 23:3 in the Tanakh was the topic of the sermon where the Rabbi explained the difference. Until then I did not think I could be Jewish if I wished to convert.
Later another sermon addressed the Two Lessons of The Exodus:
1. No matter how well things start; They change.
2. God does not want any of His Children (ALL who call upon Him as Father) to live under any form of tyranny or oppression.
After “my” Rabbi retired, the people who controlled the congregation made it clear that I was no longer welcome. Where for more than 20 years I took great pride in inviting people to visit to see what they did not know, I was afraid to continue inviting people because I no longer felt they would receive the courtesy and hospitality that is taught as a basic part of all Judaism. That is when I parted. Certainly my “right-wing” views in conflict with their “liberal” views were a major part of the picture. I did not appreciate being called a Nazi in a Torah study for telling the truth about islam.
There are more or less 25 percent of the people reading here who are born “without benefit of clergy”. There is no point in dragging them into ineffective insults. I went 12 years to a military school and learned that bickering and insults will prevent a unit from functioning. If we are busy insulting each other as mindless drolls, we are also preventing ourselves from learning and facing the real threats to our ways of life (plural).
I have been called worse, by earned actions. Imagine what 5 lawyers were calling me when I forced each of them on the witness stand to testify against their clients and destroy their cases? Imagine what I was called 400 times when my technicians found tampered electric meters and an estimated bill was sent over my signature? And those are just a start. But I am not the only person here receiving the mindless, thoughtless, ignorant insults of people who do not have enough command of language and thought to find one that really applies. But, “If not me, Who? If not now, When?”
Gamzu says
Frank claimed that 9/11 mastermind Muhammad Atta was released from an Israeli prison. There were press reports to that effect, but they were a case of mistaken identity. There was a naturalized American of Palestian background named Mahmoud Atta (Mahmoud, not Muhammad) who was extradited from the U.S. to Israel for a terrorist act, imprisoned, and later released. Muhammad Atta was an Egyptian, not a Palestinian.
Frank Anderson says
Thank you for the better information.
alex says
I believe that the Latinized transciption of his name was/is “Mohamed Atta.” I have heard that is daughter has married Hamza bin Laden (Osama’s son)?
As I mentioned before, I dislike the insult “son of a bitch.” However, I can sort of forgive Pat Condell for what he said after OBL was killed in Pakistan by U.S. Marines:
“Instead of burying him at sea, they should have taken the son of a bitch to New York City, pickled his body in alcohol, and stuck him on top of the Ground Zero Mosque with a pork chop in his mouth and a firefighter’s hatchet up his arse, but facing Mecca of course, because we wouldn’t want to be…..disrespectful!”
Tom says
We must rid ourselves of the Liberal left wing politicians by electing those who are patriots and then we can stop the madness of mass migration and terrorists being allowed to hide in plain sight within our countries.
In Canada we are about to throw out the Trudeau Liberals who want to welcome ISIS terrorist jihadists back and give them everything they need to live worry free, just biding their time to strike.
The EU elections are coming up in May and it is predicted that the patriotic movement will make great gains. The tide is turning and time is running out for the globalist socialists.
elee says
Wow! A 60-post digression here without a single bash for the left! Frank, your arguments are stronger without Gulielmus Batardus. He didn’t do away with trial-by-combat, see Richard II Act I. He was the son of a tanner’s daughter, which in Norman times stigmatised him a lot more than his parents’ marital status. His enemies used to taunt him by displaying cattle hides in his presence; he did some gruesome things to those he captured.
Frank Anderson says
elee, I do not question your information. We were taught in law school that Bill was the founder of the Common Law system which has developed and continues as it has because of its adaptability. I can understand the wish and need to show appropriate response to disrespect. I think there are two professors who discussed Bill the first day of class, Putt in Real Property and Hardy in Torts, both terrific teachers, both, hopefully, still alive after 40 years. Thank you for the additional information that I did not know.
elee says
Glad to share. He was a man of his time. Oh and before he conquered, the Saxons had been working on that Common Law stuff for half a millennium. When the Fat Dwarf of Mecca laid down the Verse of the Sword Saxon saints extolled the Beatitudes. And now they teach in school that nobody’s culture is preferable to anyone else’s. Hang in there!
elee says
Oh and a reminiscence to share…….about the same number of decades ago I had a property professor who had special class rules. One was that, once he called on you, you were got asked every Socratic question he could devise for an hour and a half. And the second was, if you could ask him a rock and roll trivia question that he couldn’t answer, you got a pass. I consulted the rock and roll encyclopedia a few times that year in preparation for his class.
Mac-101 says
Frank and elee. Your correspondence far beyond my limited knowledge. Especially to Frank. About 15 years ago I spent a weekend lookin up the claims against the Talmud that they contained about 300 and some statements that are offensive to the Catholic Church. Also there was two, one the Babylonian from the days of Israelites enslavement in Babylon and the other from the middle ages originating in Eastern Europe.
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I did find obscure references in Catholic Church history that the Catholic Church had pressured the Jewish elders to remove them back in the say 700/800s and again in the 1200s.
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Neo Nazis make a big deal about the Talmud ad these passages. Supposedly the Talmud is about 12 volumes of countless verses providing mush wisdom in the world. My Korean friends say the Koreans study it for it’s great wisdom.
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What is your opinion. Does the uncensored originals contain those offensive segments or not.
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Thanks. Your honest opinion is truly bein asked for. .
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Frank Anderson says
Mac, I have to defer to better scholars. I have not studied the Talmud. I have many honored friends of pretty near all descriptions of faith. When I started asking the basic questions challenging all religion when I was 15 my entire family, except my uncle/father by choice#2, went into a panic because they would never ask such questions. He said, “Those are the most important questions you will ever ask; and when you find the answers they will be the right ones for you.” I am not looking for ways or excuses to attack anyone else, including muslims. I am looking for ways to obtain peace, progress and prosperity for both myself, and all who wish to live in peace. I am not greedy and have no problem with sharing. But I suspect the Talmud was written for people with a whole lot more time, and different needs. The best and most sincere suggestion I can make has worked many times for me: Please ask a Rabbi. He has gone to school 5 years beyond a Bachelor’s degree to learn where to start. Ph.D’s, M.D.’s and J.D.’s are all about 3 years for their starting signal.
Mac-101 says
Thanks. Since it appears that the Catholic Church responded to them in Medieval Times was wondering if the Jews could have been set up with a false flag operation like the Fake News does today to us. Nothin is new under the sun. People will say or do anything to destroy another to gain his possessions!
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What I have read of the Talmud has been spiritually uplifting.
Frank Anderson says
Mac, There is MUCH that is Good for Christians to learn in Judaism. In the past I took great honor in inviting many friends to come and see what they had been missing, as I had been missing before my time with the community. Whatever else Jesus was and is, he started as a Jew and is regarded by many Jews as the “first well-known Reform Jew” about 1800 years ahead of the present Reform movement. It never hurts to ask, “Seek and ye shall find it, ask and it shall be granted, knock and the door will be opened unto you.”
Ashley says
Frank, please calm down.
Our common thread here is that we are united against jihad, sharia, Islam, AND SILENCING FREE SPEECH!
United we stand, divided we fall.
I really don’t want to alter my lexicon for fear of offending a lone individual over a word. Political correctness can kill…
I’m afraid you will continue to see/hear your highly offensive “B” word on this site, on television, at the movies, in books, at the bus stop, etc. And I highly doubt that when you are exposed to “your” forbidden word, it will be in the context of “you were born out of wedlock.”
Some people ARE bastards, Frank. I don’t consider you one. We all have an asshole, but we are not all assholes.
Please don’t throw the baby out with the bath water over a word that you personally find offensive.
Robert champions free speech. Sure…some words can wound. But best to choose your battles carefully if the objective is to win the war. Getting hopping sensitive over the word “bastard” isn’t particularly productive as the world is facing the Islamic threat…
All the best,
Frank Anderson says
Ashley, If we don’t demand respect we will never get it. ABUSERS are present in all groups. They are sociopaths who are not governed by any sense of legal, moral or ethical limitations. They practice their abuse by their disrespect to the people who allow them to bully. They can only be stopped by direct and clear confrontation and exposure. Notice the role played by the Great Telly Savalas in the Dirty Dozen. Is that someone you would want next to you anywhere?
Repeated ineffective insults that are pretended to be directed at people who will never see or hear them while rubbing in the faces of a quarter of the people who are hearing them is an abuse of the site and the people who support it.
Such abuse will drive away people who should be attracted and support this cause. Having destroyed many bullies, another few is no big deal and will not be tolerated as long as I am present.
There is no way to be UNITED when a minority is firing insults at a substantial portion of the “unit”.
The legal definition of the word bastard is a child born out of wedlock. The false accusation of being a bastard is slander per se which means the award of compensatory and punitive damages PLUS attorney fees and expenses in a law suit. Please consult a currently licensed attorney practicing in your jurisdiction for any legal advice.
gravenimage says
Frank, the Oxford English Dictionary–considered the most definitive dictionary of the English language–lists several meanings of “Bastard”. The first is an “unpleasant or despicable person”.
The literal sense you cite is actually considered to be archaic form of usage.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/bastard
The claim that J_not_a was actually using an archaic definition of “bastard” to insult people here rather than using the most common definition to condemn this Jihadist is *highly* unlikely, especially given her posting history here.
Frank Anderson says
GI I recall your making similar excuses of a long-time poster here who repeatedly inserted “her” comment, “It makes me want to puke/vomit/shit!” Does being a long-time poster give your license to insult the readers? No dictionary changes what the law defines. No matter what is meant in a speaker’s “mind” falsely calling a person a bastard is defamation (slander or libel) per se. ASK A LAWYER!